2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[cberry78]

Kevin O'Connor has us taking Hayes (he has Atlanta taking Vassell)

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

How reliable is his Big Board over the years? I mean, his #1 overall (Hayes) sounds like he could be the next Kendall Marshall or Ty Jerome (great passer, good shooter, lacks leadership, lacks athleticism).

[Saberestar]

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For what James Jones said, I think it is Haliburton.

Haliburton has all the attributes that JJ wants on a player, but IDK if he will be available at #10.

The next player player that fits with what he said is Obi Toppin. But I think he will not be available at #10...not at all.

So I think we draft Toppin or Haliburton if one of them is available. Not sure who would be our third option if both are gone. Edit: Probably Cole Anthony.

[Revived]

Based on the Jones/Monty history here are the players I believe are in play for the #10 pick (in no order)

-Haliburton
-Hayes
-Nesmith
-Saddiq Bey
-Vassell
-Jalen Smith
-Toppin

Most likely, Haliburton/Hayes/Toppin will be gone so I think it will come down to the other names listed. Here are my thoughts on all of those (likely) remaining guys...

Saddiq Bey: Like his shooting stroke and he has a very solid NBA frame; Another high character Villanova guy. Reminds me of a Khris Middleton/Tobias Harris type. He may be redundant as he projects to be more of a 3/4 than a 2/3 but we would be set on wings for the next 5+ years and possibly make Kelly expendable? (not that I want to trade Kelly)

Vassell: Essentially another Mikal Bridges who is slightly smaller and has a little more guard skill. His shooting percentages are great, but he has a slight hitch like Mikal (probably not an issue), and he struggles to create offense for himself/teammates.

Smith: I really like Smith, he reminds me of a slightly lankier Ibaka with slightly slower footspeed. He projects to be a modern stretch big and I can see him being taken in the lottery. His shooting stroke is pure for his size and he has good defensive instincts. People question his rebounding and ability to guard the perimeter.

Not sure exactly who we will end up with, but I believe they will be a great shooter and a high character guy who can compete sooner rather than later. I would also love if we could get Jalen Smith + one of these wings so we have young shooters on cheap controllable contracts for a long time. This is a role players draft in my opinion.

Would love to hear what everyone thinks Thanks

I can’t imagine why in the world we would draft another SG. We basically have Bridges, Cam, Oubre, Booker all who can interchangeably play that position.

I hope we can get a PF that has rim protecting abilities with the potential to switch and guard perimeter players in short spurts in the pick and roll switches. Either that or the PG of the future, someone that’s unselfish and can defend, shoot and pass to learn from Rubio and take over in 2 years or sooner. Obviously the later will be much more difficult to find at #10 so I’d be happy with the former.

The only PFs that can play defense and shoot that are projected to land in the lottery are Jalen Smith and Patrick Williams.

Vassell and Bey are very versatile and can play many positions. Injuries occur and there is the Oubre situation as well. Maybe we pickup another wing and trade Oubre for Aaron Gordon or something.

What about Onyeka Okongwu?

And Aaron Gordon doesn’t play defense either. Him and Ayton together would be a disaster.

[Saberestar]

If you think about it makes sense to draft a player who can create for himself or his teammates because we have already on the roster too many catch-and-shoot players or finishers.

That's why I think we will not select Vassell or Nesmith. They aren't shot creators or facilitators and we have already similar young players on the roster (Bridges and Cam Johnson).

[sunsbg]

If Jones likes someone in the 7-8 range, wonder if Okobo + Ty will have some value to another team to move up in a weak draft. At least they are cheap.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Based on the Jones/Monty history here are the players I believe are in play for the #10 pick (in no order)

-Haliburton
-Hayes
-Nesmith
-Saddiq Bey
-Vassell
-Jalen Smith
-Toppin

Most likely, Haliburton/Hayes/Toppin will be gone so I think it will come down to the other names listed. Here are my thoughts on all of those (likely) remaining guys...

Nesmith: Pretty much a shooting guard version of Cam Johnson. He appears to be high character and hard working. Possibly the best shooter in the draft and would be a great backup for Booker and sniper off the bench. Has questions on defense/ball handling but I can see him being a solid team defender and his handle will improve

Saddiq Bey: Like his shooting stroke and he has a very solid NBA frame; Another high character Villanova guy. Reminds me of a Khris Middleton/Tobias Harris type. He may be redundant as he projects to be more of a 3/4 than a 2/3 but we would be set on wings for the next 5+ years and possibly make Kelly expendable? (not that I want to trade Kelly)

Vassell: Essentially another Mikal Bridges who is slightly smaller and has a little more guard skill. His shooting percentages are great, but he has a slight hitch like Mikal (probably not an issue), and he struggles to create offense for himself/teammates.

Smith: I really like Smith, he reminds me of a slightly lankier Ibaka with slightly slower footspeed. He projects to be a modern stretch big and I can see him being taken in the lottery. His shooting stroke is pure for his size and he has good defensive instincts. People question his rebounding and ability to guard the perimeter.

Not sure exactly who we will end up with, but I believe they will be a great shooter and a high character guy who can compete sooner rather than later. I would also love if we could get Jalen Smith + one of these wings so we have young shooters on cheap controllable contracts for a long time. This is a role players draft in my opinion.

Would love to hear what everyone thinks Thanks

I can’t imagine why in the world we would draft another SG. We basically have Bridges, Cam, Oubre, Booker all who can interchangeably play that position.

I hope we can get a PF that has rim protecting abilities with the potential to switch and guard perimeter players in short spurts in the pick and roll switches. Either that or the PG of the future, someone that’s unselfish and can defend, shoot and pass to learn from Rubio and take over in 2 years or sooner. Obviously the later will be much more difficult to find at #10 so I’d be happy with the former.

I absolutely think they could take a wing. Booker, bridges, cam as the starters 2-4 and oubre only has a year left so could be moved this fall or not resigned in a year so they would absolutely have a need there. You need multiple guys like that in today's NBA.

The nice thing about the suns current situation is they could really draft any position this draft because they don't specifically need any immediate help but you can also see a path to playing time with any reserve spot.



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[Ghost of Kleine]

I can’t imagine why in the world we would draft another SG. We basically have Bridges, Cam, Oubre, Booker all who can interchangeably play that position.

I hope we can get a PF that has rim protecting abilities with the potential to switch and guard perimeter players in short spurts in the pick and roll switches. Either that or the PG of the future, someone that’s unselfish and can defend, shoot and pass to learn from Rubio and take over in 2 years or sooner. Obviously the later will be much more difficult to find at #10 so I’d be happy with the former.

The only PFs that can play defense and shoot that are projected to land in the lottery are Jalen Smith and Patrick Williams.

Vassell and Bey are very versatile and can play many positions. Injuries occur and there is the Oubre situation as well. Maybe we pickup another wing and trade Oubre for Aaron Gordon or something.

What about Onyeka Okongwu?

And Aaron Gordon doesn’t play defense either. Him and Ayton together would be a disaster.

That's primarily the problem with Okungwu! He doesn't really shoot threes. And he doesn't really have a productive or advanced perimeter skillset at this stage of his game either. He's basically more of a rich man's Biyombo ( post centric player/ shotblocker) than he is a Bam Adebayo clone. I love him for his defense, But he's simply not a floor spacer yet, At this stage of his career.

Also, What's funny about Gordon is that the more I think about it, The more I see similarities between Gordon and Achiuwa (Currently). In terms of size, athleticism, lack of a premium offensive package, And defensive versatility ( although Gordon doesn't really defend as well as he could with his athleticism ) But neither are reallyfloor spacers, And both are very athletic bigs. And Achiuwas' ceiling is a bigger, stronger, version of Jerami Grant. So he'll be really good in time.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The only PFs that can play defense and shoot that are projected to land in the lottery are Jalen Smith and Patrick Williams.

Vassell and Bey are very versatile and can play many positions. Injuries occur and there is the Oubre situation as well. Maybe we pickup another wing and trade Oubre for Aaron Gordon or something.

What about Onyeka Okongwu?

And Aaron Gordon doesn’t play defense either. Him and Ayton together would be a disaster.

That's primarily the problem with Okungwu! He doesn't really shoot threes. And he doesn't really have a productive or advanced perimeter skillset at this stage of his game either. He's basically more of a rich man's Biyombo ( post centric player/ shotblocker) than he is a Bam Adebayo clone. I love him for his defense, But he's simply not a floor spacer yet, At this stage of his career.

Also, What's funny about Gordon is that the more I think about it, The more I see similarities between Gordon and Achiuwa (Currently). In terms of size, athleticism, lack of a premium offensive package, And defensive versatility ( although Gordon doesn't really defend as well as he could with his athleticism ) But neither are reallyfloor spacers, And both are very athletic bigs. And Achiuwas' ceiling is a bigger, stronger, version of Jerami Grant. So he'll be really good in time.

Biyombo is a bad comp. Biyombo can't do anything on offense. Okongwu goes right to the rim on every offensive possession with speed and strength and is hard to stop.

As for who we'll pick, Jones's post-lotto statements made clear that we're once again targeting players who can contribute right away. So cross White Giannis off the list. Also mentioned he wanted players who could make quick, smart decisions to fit into our system. Said it's not about age or experience, just readiness and fit.

I don't know what that means, really. Probably cross some of the low-IQ guys off the list (Hampton, Achiuwa, Stewart... that's all I can think of in our range).

No idea who we'll pick. Based on how last year's draft went, I don't think we'll have any idea who we'll draft before the pick is made. As I said before, pretty much nothing would surprise me (except for trading up - no way).

[Weemsickew14]

I'm becoming a firm believer that the pick is one of Haliburton, Saddiq Bey, Jalen Smith, or Vassell. I am also starting to lean Bey>Vassell as Bey is more versatile on offense and both project to be plus defenders. I love Haliburton but not sure if he will be availble. Smith reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick last year and I think a lot of teams have their eye on him, I would love to somehow get Hali/Bey/Vassell and Jalen Smith.

Edit: This would give us 2 cheap/controllable contracts that are also shooters/high character guys.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm becoming a firm believer that the pick is one of Haliburton, Saddiq Bey, Jalen Smith, or Vassell. I am also starting to lean Bey>Vassell as Bey is more versatile on offense and both project to be plus defenders. I love Haliburton but not sure if he will be availble. Smith reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick last year and I think a lot of teams have their eye on him, I would love to somehow get Hali/Bey and Jalen Smith.

Glad to see you mention Jalen Smith. He's the guy I've been thinking about a lot recently. In all honesty, if I had to guess who we pick as of today, I'd guess Jalen Smith.

[Weemsickew14]

I'm becoming a firm believer that the pick is one of Haliburton, Saddiq Bey, Jalen Smith, or Vassell. I am also starting to lean Bey>Vassell as Bey is more versatile on offense and both project to be plus defenders. I love Haliburton but not sure if he will be availble. Smith reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick last year and I think a lot of teams have their eye on him, I would love to somehow get Hali/Bey and Jalen Smith.

Glad to see you mention Jalen Smith. He's the guy I've been thinking about a lot recently. If I had to guess who we pick as of today, I'd bet on Jalen Smith.

Totally reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick. A lot of teams will have him on their radar, and he will be drafted between pick 10-20. I can see him complementing Dario very well.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm becoming a firm believer that the pick is one of Haliburton, Saddiq Bey, Jalen Smith, or Vassell. I am also starting to lean Bey>Vassell as Bey is more versatile on offense and both project to be plus defenders. I love Haliburton but not sure if he will be availble. Smith reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick last year and I think a lot of teams have their eye on him, I would love to somehow get Hali/Bey and Jalen Smith.

Glad to see you mention Jalen Smith. He's the guy I've been thinking about a lot recently. If I had to guess who we pick as of today, I'd bet on Jalen Smith.

Totally reminds me of the Cam Johnson pick. A lot of teams will have him on their radar, and he will be drafted between pick 10-20. I can see him complementing Dario very well.

I like how he projects not only as a Baynes replacement, but his potential for pairing with Ayton as well. He goes up strong, he hits open shots, he makes the play on the weakside, he completes the play with the rebound. A potentially perfect not only behind Ayton, but potentially next to him as well. Smart kid, too. His team won games last year. Advanced stats love him.

I think he's probably the guy.

No idea who we'll pick. Based on how last year's draft went, I don't think we'll have any idea who we'll draft before the pick is made.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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quote="ImNotMcDiSwear"]

What about Onyeka Okongwu?

And Aaron Gordon doesn’t play defense either. Him and Ayton together would be a disaster.

That's primarily the problem with Okungwu! He doesn't really shoot threes. And he doesn't really have a productive or advanced perimeter skillset at this stage of his game either. He's basically more of a rich man's Biyombo ( post centric player/ shotblocker) than he is a Bam Adebayo clone. I love him for his defense, But he's simply not a floor spacer yet, At this stage of his career.

Also, What's funny about Gordon is that the more I think about it, The more I see similarities between Gordon and Achiuwa (Currently). In terms of size, athleticism, lack of a premium offensive package, And defensive versatility ( although Gordon doesn't really defend as well as he could with his athleticism ) But neither are reallyfloor spacers, And both are very athletic bigs. And Achiuwas' ceiling is a bigger, stronger, version of Jerami Grant. So he'll be really good in time.

Biyombo is a bad comp. Biyombo can't do anything on offense. Okongwu goes right to the rim on every offensive possession with speed and strength and is hard to stop.

As for who we'll pick, Jones's post-lotto statements made clear that we're once again targeting players who can contribute right away. So cross White Giannis off the list. Also mentioned he wanted players who could make quick, smart decisions to fit into our system. Said it's not about age or experience, just readiness and fit.

I don't know what that means, really. Probably cross some of the low-IQ guys off the list (Hampton, Achiuwa, Stewart... that's all I can think of in our range).

No idea who we'll pick. Based on how last year's draft went, I don't think we'll have any idea who we'll draft before the pick is made. As I said before, pretty much nothing would surprise me (except for trading up - no way).[/quote]

Biyombo is a bad comp. Biyombo can't do anything on offense. Okongwu goes right to the rim on every offensive possession with speed and strength and is hard to stop.

Lol! Yeah maybe man!
For what it's worth, I did say a "Rich mans' Biyombo" meaning much better!
But overall, I made the comp with respect to the fact that they're both almost identical in size and weight at 6'9 245. Both don't really have a perimeter game and are basically pick n' roll dive men who blocked a lot of shots, and the majority of their offense/ production comes at/ around the rim, Both are not at all great free throw shooters, Both don't really shoot 3 pointers, And both are considered top 10 draft picks. But sure, They're nothing at all alike I suppose. differing perspectives are of course healthy.

As for who we'll draft, Taking Jones comments into consideration, He's basically looking for mature ( ready to contribute) High IQ players with versatile skillsets (2 way players), that make good decisions, and can impact the game with their skillsets, And are efficient shooters. Translation is one of :

- Toppin
( Not likely to be there at 10). A very elite athlete, Very productive and consistent scoring big man. Is very explosive vertically, And is a high IQ potent scoring big man option. A mix of Amare Stoudemire/ more explosive, better shooting, better defensive version of Carlos Boozer.

- Haliburton
( Not likely to be there at 10). A very high IQ player that just always makes the right play, Is a solid two way player,
And an efficient shooter. Basically everything that Jones listed. A combination of Shaun Livingston/ Delon Wright.

- Vassell
( Might be there)?
A Very versatile, high IQ, impactful and efficient two way player. Is a mix of Robert Covington/ Eddie Jones ( Lakers), Or Covington/ Josh Richardson.

- Riller
A Very solid and poised consummate floor general that makes great plays, sneaky athletic, versatile , A mature guard with a high IQ and is one of the most potent and efficient ISO scorers in the entire draft). Is widely considered the most potent NBA ready scoring guard in the draft. Is a mix of Fred van Vleet/ Dame Lillard( Big shot making and unstoppable penetration) with sneaky elite burst./ Kyrie Irving ( advanced ballhandling and nearly unstoppable penetration and scoring around the rim.

- Aaron Nesmith
Very efficient, High IQ shooter in the Cam Johnson mold, underrated defender ( two way player), and versatile wing. Is a mix of Khris Middleton/ Alec Burks.

- Saddiq Bey
*** Most likely pick knowing Jones! Very versatile big wing player with a high IQ, solid defense, very good/ efficient shooter, and is versatile enough to play multiple positions. Not my top choice personally, But probably the most likely target IF Toppin/ Haliburton/ Vassell are off the board. Think a thicker Cam Johnson with slightly better defense and more strength. A mix of Buddy Hield/ Thaddeus Young.

LATER FIRST ROUND OPTIONS

- Patrick Williams.
Very versatile and overall solid multipositional impactful 3/4 two way player. Pretty much does everything well, But not really elite in any particular area. Is a mix of Patrick Patterson/ Jae Crowder.

- Jalen Smith.
** In my personal opinion, The best big man 3&D option after Toppin and Okungwu in the draft. And I might actually have him higher than Okungwu on my board for his advanced offensive skillset and his ability to hit the 3 at a high level. He'd be the best 4/5 fit next to Ayton that we could hope for. Is a mix of Serge Ibaka/ Larry Sanders ( shotblocking).

- Tyrell Terry.
** a very high IQ, versatile, elite and ultra efficient shooter that is an underrated passer, and who is very driven and plays pesky defense for his size. Is a combination of Tre Young/ Seth Curry.

- Tyler Bey.
** A very versatile two way player that can guard multiple positions, An Elite defender and defensive playmaker. Has a high basketball IQ, and is a very efficient basketball player on both sides of the ball. Basically a defensive playmaker version of Tyreese Haliburton, With elite athleticism. Is a combination of Shawn Marion ( ** Elite athleticism/ versatile defense, weird jumpshot) / Matisse Thybulle.

- Tre Jones
** a high IQ floor general, very good defender and efficient playmaker. One of the very best defensive impact guards in the draft. Is a mix of Tyus Jones/ Doc Rivers.

- Desmond Bane. **
A very versatile high IQ shooting guard that impacts the game both ways and is a very efficient shooter. Impacts the game big time with his elite shooting from distance. Is a mix of Eric Gordon/ smaller Rodney Rogers.

Big time under the radar perfect matches to Jones criteria

- Malachi Flynn
The ultimate floor general, Ultra efficient in most all categories. Is a very efficient shooter/ passer/ playmaker. Has a very high IQ, And is very poised. Outside of the Top 10, He encompasses everything that Jones is looking for on his list! Also plays very solid defense, despite only having average athleticism. Is a mix of Steve Nash/ Luke Ridenour. Very solid across the board.

Killian Tillie
A very high IQ versatile 2 way big man with elite shooting and very solid defense. Is a mix of a much better shooting, and more athletic Dario Saric / Maxi Kleber.

Xavier Tillman
A very high IQ, Very efficient elite positional defensive big man. Make very intelligent plays, And is a consummate professional. Is a mix of Al Horford/ Bigger PJ Tucker/ Draymond Green ( without the obnoxious attitude)!

[Wilber85]

BPA at #10 if available, I want:

Halliburton
Hayes
Vassell
Bey
Hampton

In that order.

[Revived]

The nice thing about the suns current situation is they could really draft any position this draft because they don't specifically need any immediate help but you can also see a path to playing time with any reserve spot.

We do need immediate help at the PF position though. Starting Cam there worked in the bubble but I doubt it will work longterm over the course of a full NBA season against 29 other teams with big and strong PFs. Saric is a great backup PF (who I hope we can keep) but can’t start and has shown it time and time again.

Having no PF will hurt Ayton’s development too imo especially defensively.

This is why many of us wished the Suns just took Brandon Clarke last year and still have gotten Cam at the pick where we selected Jerome. Then, we would have no immediate need as you mention.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The nice thing about the suns current situation is they could really draft any position this draft because they don't specifically need any immediate help but you can also see a path to playing time with any reserve spot.

We do need immediate help at the PF position though. Starting Cam there worked in the bubble but I doubt it will work longterm over the course of a full NBA season against 29 other teams with big and strong PFs. Saric is a great backup PF (who I hope we can keep) but can’t start and has shown it time and time again.

Having no PF will hurt Ayton’s development too imo especially defensively.

This is why many of us wished the Suns just took Brandon Clarke last year and still have gotten Cam at the pick where we selected Jerome. Then, we would have no immediate need as you mention.

Well just have to agree to disagree on that one. Im totally in the camp that you should start a player like Cam with Ayton. Ive always thought the best way to play with him is a small with shooters.

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[darmani]

The nice thing about the suns current situation is they could really draft any position this draft because they don't specifically need any immediate help but you can also see a path to playing time with any reserve spot.

We do need immediate help at the PF position though. Starting Cam there worked in the bubble but I doubt it will work longterm over the course of a full NBA season against 29 other teams with big and strong PFs. Saric is a great backup PF (who I hope we can keep) but can’t start and has shown it time and time again.

Having no PF will hurt Ayton’s development too imo especially defensively.

This is why many of us wished the Suns just took Brandon Clarke last year and still have gotten Cam at the pick where we selected Jerome. Then, we would have no immediate need as you mention.

What big and strong PFs? Anthony Davis and...? There are like 3 teams in the league who play with a traditional PF. Most of the NBA runs with a "1 guard + 3 wings + 1 big" or "2 guards + 2 wings + 1 big" lineups.

[Revived]

The nice thing about the suns current situation is they could really draft any position this draft because they don't specifically need any immediate help but you can also see a path to playing time with any reserve spot.

We do need immediate help at the PF position though. Starting Cam there worked in the bubble but I doubt it will work longterm over the course of a full NBA season against 29 other teams with big and strong PFs. Saric is a great backup PF (who I hope we can keep) but can’t start and has shown it time and time again.

Having no PF will hurt Ayton’s development too imo especially defensively.

This is why many of us wished the Suns just took Brandon Clarke last year and still have gotten Cam at the pick where we selected Jerome. Then, we would have no immediate need as you mention.

What big and strong PFs? Anthony Davis and...? There are like 3 teams in the league who play with a traditional PF. Most of the NBA runs with a "1 guard + 3 wings + 1 big" or "2 guards + 2 wings + 1 big" lineups.

Just off the top of my head there’s Davis, LMA, Griffin, Millsap, Gordon, Ibaka and then young up and coming PFs with size advantage over Cam like Zion, Jackson Jr, Hachimura, Clarke, Sabonis etc.

Even if what you’re saying is true and teams only run one big man out there, if that one big man is a mobile PF like these guys then Ayton can’t guard them because he isn’t quick enough for it. We saw this with Bam Adeabayo who wrecked Ayton and he’s an actual C but just very physical, shorter and quicker.

Cam will get in foul trouble often guarding guys like this for a full season. We saw it even in the bubble itself.

If Ayton was a Embiid or Gobert type player with excellent rim protection then it could perhaps work but that’s obviously not the case either.

[WeekapaugGroove]

We do need immediate help at the PF position though. Starting Cam there worked in the bubble but I doubt it will work longterm over the course of a full NBA season against 29 other teams with big and strong PFs. Saric is a great backup PF (who I hope we can keep) but can’t start and has shown it time and time again.

Having no PF will hurt Ayton’s development too imo especially defensively.

This is why many of us wished the Suns just took Brandon Clarke last year and still have gotten Cam at the pick where we selected Jerome. Then, we would have no immediate need as you mention.

What big and strong PFs? Anthony Davis and...? There are like 3 teams in the league who play with a traditional PF. Most of the NBA runs with a "1 guard + 3 wings + 1 big" or "2 guards + 2 wings + 1 big" lineups.

Just off the top of my head there’s Davis, LMA, Griffin, Millsap, Gordon, Ibaka and then young up and coming PFs with size advantage over Cam like Zion, Jackson Jr, Hachimura, Clarke, Sabonis etc.

Even if what you’re saying is true and teams only run one big man out there, if that one big man is a mobile PF like these guys then Ayton can’t guard them because he isn’t quick enough for it. We saw this with Bam Adeabayo who wrecked Ayton and he’s an actual C but just very physical, shorter and quicker.

Cam will get in foul trouble often guarding guys like this for a full season. We saw it even in the bubble itself.

If Ayton was a Embiid or Gobert type player with excellent rim protection then it could perhaps work but that’s obviously not the case either.

Cam is as tall or taller than Milsap, Clarke, and Rui but I get you want a more traditional PF. That's fine I just don't agree with that philosophy. I'll take the trade off of a couple teams trying to pound inside vs the offensive advantage a guy like Cam gives you with spacing, but again just my preference on style.

IMO if Cam doesn't start at PF Oubre should. Both of those starting units had a great net rating so might as well keep what has worked.

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[Revived]

What big and strong PFs? Anthony Davis and...? There are like 3 teams in the league who play with a traditional PF. Most of the NBA runs with a "1 guard + 3 wings + 1 big" or "2 guards + 2 wings + 1 big" lineups.

Just off the top of my head there’s Davis, LMA, Griffin, Millsap, Gordon, Ibaka and then young up and coming PFs with size advantage over Cam like Zion, Jackson Jr, Hachimura, Clarke, Sabonis etc.

Even if what you’re saying is true and teams only run one big man out there, if that one big man is a mobile PF like these guys then Ayton can’t guard them because he isn’t quick enough for it. We saw this with Bam Adeabayo who wrecked Ayton and he’s an actual C but just very physical, shorter and quicker.

Cam will get in foul trouble often guarding guys like this for a full season. We saw it even in the bubble itself.

If Ayton was a Embiid or Gobert type player with excellent rim protection then it could perhaps work but that’s obviously not the case either.

Cam is as tall or taller than Milsap, Clarke, and Rui but I get you want a more traditional PF. That's fine I just don't agree with that philosophy. I'll take the trade off of a couple teams trying to pound inside vs the offensive advantage a guy like Cam gives you with spacing, but again just my preference on style.

IMO if Cam doesn't start at PF Oubre should. Both of those starting units had a great net rating so might as well keep what has worked.

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Doesn’t necessarily need to be a traditional PF like Amare or Duncan or something. Someone that can defend and shoot like Siakam, Jackson Jr, Clarke etc is fine. None of those guys are “traditional PFs” but they are versatile enough to defend about every position.

You mentioned height but all those guys have 20-30 lbs if not more on Cam. I think strength and weight is more important for PFs imo.