Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[jonbob17]

This... is it that serious? ( AG)

Hamstring can be like a groin pull...very unpredictable and likely to start over with one explosive move...can never really be sure until you test it (in short term)

So how do you technically cure it?? Surgery? Rehab? Rest?

rest, its just the pulled muscle variety, they just take a while. I bet he is back for game 3.
pulled hamstring in baseball basically means automatic trip to 15 day disabled list, which is 15 day minimum

[The Effect]

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I'd ask for the 14. They need Vuc to be the favorite out of the east next season.

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I obviously wouldnt mind 14, but i dont think they do 14+one of the other picks
i think it would be 14 OR 26/30
In that scenario id rather have 14 as i dont see us bringing in 4 1st rounders (15, 26, 30 and chuma). Although, i will say, if we made that trade and got those picks, i would love to see us use one to make a trade on a guy like landry shamet. a very good 3&d guy on a rookie deal. I know hes never been a big # guy, but theres just something about him, i think he would be a great clue guy and a perfect SG to put next to fultz.

I get hes never gonna be a superstar, but could see him being a JJ Redick type, and who here wouldnt love to have prime JJ back?

[MasterGMer]

I think Vuc is untouchable. Dude is playing more than a all star, average even more points than Giannis in the playoff.

I'd trade for No.2 and Wiggins. We need help on the wing besides Ennis plus Ennis doesn't have a contract yet for next season. He is a UFA. Wiggins can score and with size

[cedric76]

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

[MagicStarwipe]

Has Vuc finally reached his full potential? Stay tuned next season for another edition of 'The Forced Franchise Player'.

[Knightro]

Vucevic could average 40 a game these next three losses and it’s not going to significantly increase his trade value.

Five playoff games against a sleepwalking No. 1 seed aren’t going to supersede the 600 game sample size that preceded it.

Nothing has changed with Vucevic at all. He’s a skilled offensive player who would fit much better as a No. 2 or No. 3 option. The problem is now he’s now being paid like a No. 1 option and he’s not the kind of impactful defender that most teams prefer out of their 2nd and 3rd tier offensive options.

If he’s your best player, you’re not going to be that good of a team which we’ve seen play out in spades over the last several years.

I personally think Vucevic could have a very positive impact with a lot of teams, but given his contract and the fact that most teams (whether this is the right or wrong mentality is up for debate) prefer plus defenders at their big spots, he’s a tough guy to trade for anything of value.

[KillMonger]

Vooch gonna retire a Magician.

[Furinkazan]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

and thats pretty equal value
Im surprised we didnt go for it

[Knightro]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

and thats pretty equal value
Im surprised we didnt go for it

Oubre is a much less impactful player than Gordon.

He's a terrible defender and much like LaVine, Oubre's teams have consistently been worse when he's been on the floor.

Gordon isn't a star and never will be one, but he's already proven he can play heavy minutes on a playoff team with a winning record while making a positive impact as a two-way forward.

If the Magic can't get a young player or draft pick (or both) with more theoretical upside than what Gordon already provides, then they shouldn't do it.

[Skybox]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

and thats pretty equal value
Im surprised we didnt go for it

Lots of differing takes on whether this is a true story. Some said they asked about AG for other guys and we countered Oubre and THEY hung up. Idk the real story either, obviously, but their success in the bubble without Oubre might change things.

[Furinkazan]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

and thats pretty equal value
Im surprised we didnt go for it

Oubre is a much less impactful player than Gordon.

He's a terrible defender and much like LaVine, Oubre's teams have consistently been worse when he's been on the floor.

Gordon isn't a star and never will be one, but he's already proven he can play heavy minutes on a playoff team with a winning record while making a positive impact as a two-way forward.

If the Magic can't get a young player or draft pick (or both) with more theoretical upside than what Gordon already provides, then they shouldn't do it.

Terrible?Grossly overstated stance.

[Knightro]

Terrible?Grossly overstated stance.

Oubre ranked 493 of 520 players this season in Defensive Real Plus Minus.

He's been a little less awful in other seasons, but pretty consistently a negative defender.

[VFX]

You guys are crazy thinking this FO and ownership will move Vuc. They love being a first round exit team with him at the helm, partnered with Clifford.

There were rumors of moving AG instead prior to us handing Vuc a huge unattractive deal.

IF they actually did the unthinkable and traded him, it would mean that they are blowing this team up. They have refused to do that, even though it’s what should be done.

We won’t win a playoff series with Vuc as our #1 option. Everyone in the world knows this except our FO and ownership.

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[J-Mezzy]

No game thread?

[Furinkazan]

Terrible?Grossly overstated stance.

Oubre ranked 493 of 520 players this season in Defensive Real Plus Minus.

He's been a little less awful in other seasons, but pretty consistently a negative defender.

and in DRTG AG is very close to him

[Magic#1]

You guys are crazy thinking this FO and ownership will move Vuc. They love being a first round exit team with him at the helm, partnered with Clifford.

There were rumors of moving AG instead prior to us handing Vuc a huge unattractive deal.

IF they actually did the unthinkable and traded him, it would mean that they are blowing this team up. They have refused to do that, even though it’s what should be done.

We won’t win a playoff series with Vuc as our #1 option. Everyone in the world knows this except our FO and ownership.

They drafted Bamba at 6 just two years ago. They wouldn't have taken him if they were 100 percent committed to Vooch. Now, Vooch took off after we took Bamba and Mo has not proven worthy of where we drafted him but you don't take a guy at 6 thinking he will always be on the bench.

[VFX]

You guys are crazy thinking this FO and ownership will move Vuc. They love being a first round exit team with him at the helm, partnered with Clifford.

There were rumors of moving AG instead prior to us handing Vuc a huge unattractive deal.

IF they actually did the unthinkable and traded him, it would mean that they are blowing this team up. They have refused to do that, even though it’s what should be done.

We won’t win a playoff series with Vuc as our #1 option. Everyone in the world knows this except our FO and ownership.

They drafted Bamba at 6 just two years ago. They wouldn't have taken him if they were 100 percent committed to Vooch. Now, Vooch took off after we took Bamba and Mo has not proven worthy of where we drafted him but you don't take a guy at 6 thinking he will always be on the bench.

You’re giving them WAY too much credit with the Bamba pick like they had an actual plan. They drafted him “BeCaUsE hEs BpA” and has long arms. Nothing more nothing less.

[zaymon]

You guys are crazy thinking this FO and ownership will move Vuc. They love being a first round exit team with him at the helm, partnered with Clifford.

There were rumors of moving AG instead prior to us handing Vuc a huge unattractive deal.

IF they actually did the unthinkable and traded him, it would mean that they are blowing this team up. They have refused to do that, even though it’s what should be done.

We won’t win a playoff series with Vuc as our #1 option. Everyone in the world knows this except our FO and ownership.

They drafted Bamba at 6 just two years ago. They wouldn't have taken him if they were 100 percent committed to Vooch. Now, Vooch took off after we took Bamba and Mo has not proven worthy of where we drafted him but you don't take a guy at 6 thinking he will always be on the bench.

You’re giving them WAY too much credit with the Bamba pick like they had an actual plan. They drafted him “BeCaUsE hEs BpA” and has long arms. Nothing more nothing less.

I dont like Bamba, but the thought process of Weltman was right. You dont pass on a high ceiling player becouse you have Vucevic. Thats how Kings drafted Bagley before Doncic becouse they had Fox as a lead ball handler.

[MasterGMer]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third