2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Chi town]

I don't the hype on Deni he's shooting 33% from the 3 point line and 52% from the T line and a avg athletic

Luka shot 30% from 3 in Europe and 32% this year from 3.

Demi’s form looks good. After restart he shot the ball a lot better from 3 and FT[quote
The 52% FT jumps at me the Bulls have to start hitting homers on our draft picks because the Bulls can't get any major F/A's

I think we will be a major FA destination as soon as next summer. AK and Evs change everything. Wait till they get a great players coach.

[StunnerKO]

What I think how the top 10 would go if everyone keeps their pick.

Min - Edwards
GS - Deni
Cha - Wiseman
Chi - Ball
Cle - Obi
Atl - Vassell
Det - Okongwu
NY - Hayes
Wash - Okoro
Phx - Haliburton

[wolffy]

I like the idea of trading for GS pick with anything short of future picks and Zack. Then pounce on Ball/Wiseman. They have most upside in the draft.

Ball is particularly interesting because he believes he is great and he has already played with enormous amounts of pressure and performed. A celebrity in 9th grade.

Ceiling: Magic Crawford
Floor: Rick Astley

Wiseman has amazing physical tools, may even get bigger and has also been crowned (as the number 1 player in the class over time).

Ceiling: The Dream Process
Floor: Robin Lopez

I also like Cole Anthony as he underperformed at NC but has also been considered a top talent in the class.

(Edited to add Anthony)

As a Carolina fan I'm gonna have to advise against Cole Anthony. To compare him to Cobi White, he's got better hops and less shooting. Same shoot first mentality tho. Not a great or even particularly good play maker.

[Chi town]

4th Pick Trades...

Rui
Hunter
Barrett
Herro
Mikal Bridges
MPJ
OG Anunoby

[JohnnyTapwater]

I have a theory that 90% of the people that are low on Ball couldn't make a left-handed lay-up.

So I get it.

[Chicagoat]

At the moment, I am all in Hayes. I feel that he is the BPA at 4. I would argue that he is the best PG in this years draft.

I would hesitate if Wiseman was available. But I feel that drafting a big that high unless that person is transcendent or BPA is a bad move. Wiseman had a small sample size but I feel that he can really impress in private workouts(if we have any).

[drosereturn]

What I think how the top 10 would go if everyone keeps their pick.

Min - Edwards
GS - Deni
Cha - Wiseman
Chi - Ball
Cle - Obi
Atl - Vassell
Det - Okongwu
NY - Hayes
Wash - Okoro
Phx - Haliburton

I just hope GS takes Deni so one of Ball/Wiseman is alive. Denis really a situational and great pick for GS who is one position/ one piece away from a champ contender. Dont want him in Chicago bc they need everything not just wings.
Wiseman would solve all of our problems except playmaking and Ball vice versa while playing 3 positions. And they can have 30 usage to be a superstar. Wiseman allows you to trade Carter/Gafford and get someone like Bridges.

[D_GoLow]

Smart logic says Edwards to Minny and Wiseman to GS. It should be down to whether Char wants Ball. If they take him it'll be down to Deni, Hayes, or Topping. I lean Deni for the versitility and shot creation.

[leo921]

I gotta ask what is with the Wiseman love? I see a big talented guy with potential but what has he done?

For instance you saw Ayton dominate other talented big man and knew he would be awesome on offense and need to improve on defense. You saw Carter show a all round game and believe he has way more talent then he has been allowed to show as his coaches have used him very poorly. You saw Bagley dominate in college. You saw Bamba shut teams down and step out for 3s. You saw Anthony Davis post shoot and finish lobs against everyone.

Who has Wiseman dominated that is his size and near talent level? How do you know that someone like Gafford or Carter wouldnt just shut him down? 3 college games against teams with 6-8 to 6-10 centers doesnt mean hes going to dominate the NBA?

[Chi town]

Interesting.

Watch on YouTube

[Chi town]

No way GS takes Wiseman. They are way to smart to waste a top pick on a big that hasn’t proven anything.

[Chi town]

Smart logic says Edwards to Minny and Wiseman to GS. It should be down to whether Char wants Ball. If they take him it'll be down to Deni, Hayes, or Topping. I lean Deni for the versitility and shot creation.

I have a hard time believing Ball doesn’t go top 2. GS will trade him away. If Edwards slips they just take Edwards.

[pduh01]

No way GS takes Wiseman. They are way to smart to waste a top pick on a big that hasn’t proven anything.

You basically can say the same thing about any of the prospects hasn’t prove anything either.

[MrFortune3]

Simply put, he's not a top 5 consideration level player. He is someone who would need private workouts and the combine to move up in the draft.
Right now, you cannot justify him in the top 5. Not even sure teams would rate him as a top 10 player.
I can see teams outside of the top 10 trying to move up to get him. If you have a top 5 or 10 pick, he's the perfect additional player to bring in.

i've seen people i trust put him up there as a top-5 prospect

i recognize he doesn't have the upside you would expect in the top 5, but giving him some consideration says as much about the draft as it says about him. i'd probably be interested in a typical mid-late lottery prospect like mikal bridges in the top 5 of this draft, too

I understand what you are saying, but Vassell has almost no mocks have him in the top 5 or consideration for it. The ones that have him in the top 10 seem to be ones that are not high on Okoro or Hayes.
I think he is going to be a very good NBA player, I just cannot see a situation where he moves into high end consideration without the traditional draft process to elevate his stock.

[MrFortune3]

I gotta ask what is with the Wiseman love? I see a big talented guy with potential but what has he done?

For instance you saw Ayton dominate other talented big man and knew he would be awesome on offense and need to improve on defense. You saw Carter show a all round game and believe he has way more talent then he has been allowed to show as his coaches have used him very poorly. You saw Bagley dominate in college. You saw Bamba shut teams down and step out for 3s. You saw Anthony Davis post shoot and finish lobs against everyone.

Who has Wiseman dominated that is his size and near talent level? How do you know that someone like Gafford or Carter wouldnt just shut him down? 3 college games against teams with 6-8 to 6-10 centers doesnt mean hes going to dominate the NBA?

In fairness to Wiseman, he was a monster in HS, the consensus #1 player and projected #1 in the draft. He didn't get a chance to show his abilities in a full season but the talent is there and in the right situation...whew baby, franchise player.
I was extremely high on Ayton when he came out and I like Wiseman a lot more than I liked Ayton.

[cjbulls]

Simply put, he's not a top 5 consideration level player. He is someone who would need private workouts and the combine to move up in the draft.
Right now, you cannot justify him in the top 5. Not even sure teams would rate him as a top 10 player.
I can see teams outside of the top 10 trying to move up to get him. If you have a top 5 or 10 pick, he's the perfect additional player to bring in.

i've seen people i trust put him up there as a top-5 prospect

i recognize he doesn't have the upside you would expect in the top 5, but giving him some consideration says as much about the draft as it says about him. i'd probably be interested in a typical mid-late lottery prospect like mikal bridges in the top 5 of this draft, too

Reminds me a little bit of the argument last year that Bulls should take NAW over Coby. So far, it appears NAW belonged behind him.

[cjbulls]

I gotta ask what is with the Wiseman love? I see a big talented guy with potential but what has he done?

For instance you saw Ayton dominate other talented big man and knew he would be awesome on offense and need to improve on defense. You saw Carter show a all round game and believe he has way more talent then he has been allowed to show as his coaches have used him very poorly. You saw Bagley dominate in college. You saw Bamba shut teams down and step out for 3s. You saw Anthony Davis post shoot and finish lobs against everyone.

Who has Wiseman dominated that is his size and near talent level? How do you know that someone like Gafford or Carter wouldnt just shut him down? 3 college games against teams with 6-8 to 6-10 centers doesnt mean hes going to dominate the NBA?

Sounds like you would have drafted Emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard. Sometimes athleticism and talent pan out. Wiseman has those qualities.

[leo921]

I gotta ask what is with the Wiseman love? I see a big talented guy with potential but what has he done?

For instance you saw Ayton dominate other talented big man and knew he would be awesome on offense and need to improve on defense. You saw Carter show a all round game and believe he has way more talent then he has been allowed to show as his coaches have used him very poorly. You saw Bagley dominate in college. You saw Bamba shut teams down and step out for 3s. You saw Anthony Davis post shoot and finish lobs against everyone.

Who has Wiseman dominated that is his size and near talent level? How do you know that someone like Gafford or Carter wouldnt just shut him down? 3 college games against teams with 6-8 to 6-10 centers doesnt mean hes going to dominate the NBA?

Sounds like you would have drafted Emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard. Sometimes athleticism and talent pan out. Wiseman has those qualities.

How about Kwame Brown in 2000, he dominated HS so bad he didnt need college to go number 1
Sounds like you wouldve drafted Darko Milcic. He dominated overseas more then Wiseman has.
What about someone more american and only did well in high school and not college like Robert Swift in 2004. 12th pick
What about Darius Miles picked 3rd in 2000 with no college games and dominating no one

So again who has Wiseman played and what has he done?

[cjbulls]

I gotta ask what is with the Wiseman love? I see a big talented guy with potential but what has he done?

For instance you saw Ayton dominate other talented big man and knew he would be awesome on offense and need to improve on defense. You saw Carter show a all round game and believe he has way more talent then he has been allowed to show as his coaches have used him very poorly. You saw Bagley dominate in college. You saw Bamba shut teams down and step out for 3s. You saw Anthony Davis post shoot and finish lobs against everyone.

Who has Wiseman dominated that is his size and near talent level? How do you know that someone like Gafford or Carter wouldnt just shut him down? 3 college games against teams with 6-8 to 6-10 centers doesnt mean hes going to dominate the NBA?

Sounds like you would have drafted Emeka Okafor over Dwight Howard. Sometimes athleticism and talent pan out. Wiseman has those qualities.

How about Kwame Brown in 2000, he dominated HS so bad he didnt need college to go number 1
Sounds like you wouldve drafted Darko Milcic. He dominated overseas more then Wiseman has.
What about someone more american and only did well in high school and not college like Robert Swift in 2004. 12th pick
What about Darius Miles picked 3rd in 2000 with no college games and dominating no one

So again who has Wiseman played and what has he done?

I guess you would have taken Carmelo over LeBron. Jay Williams over Yao Ming. Derrick Williams over Kyrie

The point is sometimes it goes the other way and talent sometimes trumps experience.

To pretend that one particular criteria ("who he play against?") satisfies a draft decision is nonsense.

[MrSparkle]

Well, you don’t necessarily take a prospect on what they’ve done. Otherwise Ben Simmons and his losing LSU stint would’ve dropped him out the lotto.

Wiseman’s got question marks, but if you do look at his raw abilities, he’s huge, athletic and defensively aware. There is an offensive game.