2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Leslie Forman]

Not really relevant to the #4 pick, but I'm wondering if Saddiq Bey is going under the radar a bit. Proven NBA talent developing program, big riser from unheralded high school status, 3+D wing…

[Andi Obst]

Not really relevant to the #4 pick, but I'm wondering if Saddiq Bey is going under the radar a bit. Proven NBA talent developing program, big riser from unheralded high school status, 3+D wing…

Definitely think he's one of many guys in the mid to late first round who will be a nice addition for a good team. The draft is actually good for these teams.

[bulls_troy]

A big reason im personally so high on Avdija is that most of his weaknesses, come from not being strong enough and hes shaky on his left hand dribble. He's 19. Those can easily be corrected with the right strength and conditioning to suit his way of playing, plus with actual development coaches, he can fix his left hand dribble in no time

[JohnnyTapwater]

It's like some people forget all about an aspect called, "development".

Too many lazy analyst today.

Anybody can look at what a player has done and scrutinize stats and games played. It's so much deeper. These kids show signs of future life if you can cut through the noise of the confident pessimistic statisticians.

[Benedict Miller]

the thing about wiseman is that even skilled offensive centers with some rim protection ability can be relatively underwhelming unless they are legit elite on defense or they're somehow transcendent offensively. if you end up drafting a hassan whiteside-caliber player in the top 5, are you really happy with that?

I like Wiseman. Needs to be in a Bulls uniform ASAP

[SfBull]

Useful analysis
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/bulls-nba-draft-board-breaking-down-potential-targets-no-4

[No-Man]

Who's the BPA at 4?

To me it is going to be Toppin but Avdija is close and more likely to be the pick

I have Hayes a couple spots behind only, but a tier below, either of those 3 would be a fine pick

[No-Man]

All these projected trades are fun but there are no stars in the market, actually the closest guys with some star pedigree (I disagree in most cases but they can be perceived that way by some) that can be attainable are John Collins, Caris LeVert, Zach LaVine, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Jrue Holiday, Aaron Gordon, Tobias Harris, Buddy Hield, DeMar DeRozan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Chris Paul, Mike Conley, John Wall

Obviously some are bad deals that you won't move an asset for

Warriors aren't moving their pick for any of them, maybe Oladipo but dunno if Indiana goes that way (depends on if they know that he is leaving for certain, but his injury history is tough too), I also think that with Isaac's injury the Magic don't move Gordon

[cjbulls]

the thing about wiseman is that even skilled offensive centers with some rim protection ability can be relatively underwhelming unless they are legit elite on defense or they're somehow transcendent offensively. if you end up drafting a hassan whiteside-caliber player in the top 5, are you really happy with that?

In this draft, maybe? Whiteside with a good head on his shoulders is a valuable player. Not that Wiseman has exactly shown stellar judgment so far himself.

But he appears to have a decent combination of high floor and potentially high ceiling compared to any of the other names floating around here. I’m still in the WCJ camp but also believe the bulls need to take BPA whoever they think it may be. This draft has a ton of bust potential.

[cjbulls]

I actually wish we hadn’t got the 4th pick, because it forces us to get one of the guys that are the supposed top 5 talent. If I was the Bulls, I would trade down and draft Nesmith. I have a feeling he will be the best player from this draft. A sniper is what he is and who has a potential to be like Klay Thompson.

Many years, I think this is true.

But this year, not sure that will be an issue. You have (1) a new FO, (2) a draft with no real consensus and (3) a lack of film on many guys because we didn’t play out full seasons.

If AK likes Nesmith the way that you do, I don’t see why he wouldn’t take him 4 this year. Now I doubt he sees him as the next Klay so that won’t be happening but we will see.

[D_GoLow]

No way GS takes Wiseman. They are way to smart to waste a top pick on a big that hasn’t proven anything.

He's a good fit with the talent they have. He can come in and contribute right away crashing the glass and running the floor. Overall I would trust in GS's play development.

[wonderboy2]

I think this board goes a out looking at drafting the wrong way. I’ve seen plenty of post saying that they want to trade down to avoid mistakes and picking the wrong player and looking foolish. But honestly who the hell cares. You pick the player that you feel has the most talent and fit and call it a day. Even now I see posters saying we should’ve drafted Porter jr. I for one was his main supporter. But I’m happy with Carter and I’m sure the bulls are to. Believe me the grass is always greener on the other side. If Porter was on the bulls many of you would be saying he would be best as a 6th man and that he’s one demensional. You all would be trashing his defense and questioning how long his body would hold up. You all would also be trying to trade him before he gets his next contract. Just trust the processs.

[weneeda2guard]

my hopes for draft night.

1. create a package centered on our 4th and lauri and possibly even a protected pick for next season to golden state for the 2nd pick. i know a lot but we need a serious core future all star caliber player. i was told for years we can only get that through the draft because no one is coming here in free agency. if we can go all in i say do it. no telling the next time we luck up to even 4th. and we have the unique circumstances of having a team at 2 who will be willing to deal based on their situation. so if AK does our 4th lauri and a protected 2021 pick im down for it to get a franchise player here. take edwards or ball or wiseman. theory could be well one of them could fall to us at 4th, but guarantee it and put your destiny in your hands. this is what dallas did to get doncic. nobody is thinking about what they gave up to make it happen because all that matters is the future super star.

2. if no one is willing to deal, lets hope one of edwards, wiseman or ball falls to us at 4th.

3. take deni or obi at 4th. im okay with this as there is potential for a star here but its also with the idea that this could just be a solid player not a star taken.

4. even if we dont trade up, i would still move lauri on draft night. he is due a deal and its best to get a asset now then either lose him for nothing or find ourselves in a aaron gordon, otto porter jr with washington type of situation where we paying him a ton of money to keep him and we quickly regret doing so. we have had enough time with lauri and although we know he has talent he not worth a long term commitment. i would use him to trade down to a 8th-12th pick and i think those teams will bite as they could see lauri as a better prospect then whoever they take at those positions. i can def see the knicks taking him as the porzingas replacement. take best available player at that spot

5. use the 4th to bring a star to the team but this one is last because its the most unlikely imo as of now not seeing the star who on the move worth the 4th pick. maybe olidipo will be on the move but cant see us giving up the 4th for that when he can leave when his deal is up. other guys on the move like drummond not worth the 4th pick, is it worth it to part with the 4th pick to go and get simmons or embiid?

side note what if the warriors give up the 2nd pick for embiid? who are the sixers taking at 2? wiseman?

[MrSparkle]

I do think Wiseman’s potential is being understated. Whiteside was a late bloomer with some major attitude issues that fixed themselves in time for a max contract offer, before slipping. Wiseman is an 18yo #1 prospect. I never saw Whiteside dash and finish a fast-break like Wiseman - JW has good hands and can lay it up (not just power dunk).

The biggest 7’+ busts have been low-post scorers with mediocre speed and rim protection (Okafor, Zeller, Cauley-Stein, etc.). But Wiseman runs the floor pretty damn fast, and has springs for feet.

Anyway, I think there is no debate that a good-case, developed Wiseman is a 100% higher impact than WCJ and Gafford. Also consider that maybe he makes Lauri look much better, by providing an above-the-rim game.

100% best case All-Star LaMelo, Deni, Hayes... seems to entirely depend on their 3P development, which is a tall order. Plus the PGs do take the ball out of Coby’s and Zach’s hands for their development. I know you don’t draft for need, but you do have to consider the environment a Pass PG needs to develop.

[weneeda2guard]

I think this board goes a out looking at drafting the wrong way. I’ve seen plenty of post saying that they want to trade down to avoid mistakes and picking the wrong player and looking foolish. But honestly who the hell cares. You pick the player that you feel has the most talent and fit and call it a day. Even now I see posters saying we should’ve drafted Porter jr. I for one was his main supporter. But I’m happy with Carter and I’m sure the bulls are to. Believe me the grass is always greener on the other side. If Porter was on the bulls many of you would be saying he would be best as a 6th man and that he’s one demensional. You all would be trashing his defense and questioning how long his body would hold up. You all would also be trying to trade him before he gets his next contract. Just trust the processs.

no way i trade down. draft is different and a ton of losing guarantees nothing ask the knicks and as us for the past 3 seasons. we need to strike gold now. if gold is not here, then at least try to get it. but i would hate to trade down with this idea nothing is at the top and 1 of these guys turn into a superstar. dallas made this kind of move got doncic and not looking back. nobody is thinking about what they gave up, all they know is they future is set. we need to have that kind of off season and the way things are lined up we can have it. warriors might opt out of these young guys all together as they thinking title contention. charlotte could pass on wiseman and ball because they want a player who wants to be there. we could trade up to 2 or 3 and land something great. if we can do it, we need to do it.

i was one saying take porter jr but my theory was to trade an asset for a lower pick to get him not give our 7th up for him considering his injury history. i was hearing denver was ready to trade to us if we took on faried salary and i think we should have done it and taken mpj.

[Jvaughn]

Of course not, that would be terrible. I do think, however, that Wiseman will at least be better than Whiteside. Don't view him as a lazy guy like that. DeAndre Jordan is probably the better comp at least for now IMO.

To come out of this draft with a guy that can give you 16/14/3 with a 25 PER would be amazing. Not sure what you guys are realistically expecting out of this draft.

First off all, PER is useless and always was (even Hollinger said you shouldn't use it anymore). It's just throwing boxscore stats together and can't measure anything beyond that, which is obviously perfect for nice stats, bad impact players like Whiteside. As to why Whiteside sucks: he limits you defensively to the point where you can only play him in a drop coverage because he just can't keep up with anyone (which is why the Blazers got destroyed from 3 all year), he gambles for blocks all the time, which hurts his interior defense overall and offensively he's a PnR finisher and that's it. Completely dependent on the creators around him who, good for him, are Dame and CJ. You can't run any offense through him because he can't pass and you also don't want him to post up.

He's an extremely limited player on both ends who puts up nice counting stats, which is why he's extremely overpaid. Part of the reason why I'm scared of drafting Wiseman is that he could be in a similar spot after his rookie deal (although I do think he's better).

Blaming Portland's defensive woes on Whiteside doesn't seem fair. He's the only player in the starting lineup that plays any semblance of defense. He does gamble a lot for weakside blocks, but that's more to do with the fact that he has to makeup for Dame/CJ/Melo on the perimeter. Now I agree he's not worth much on the perimeter defending, but I'd much rather have my big in drop defense over the blitzing defense we run.

As for offense, there aren't too many centers these days that teams run their offense through anyway, so I'm not sure why that critique would be unique. You want a rim runner who is going to finish near the basket. Now as we all now, this may be the weakest draft in terms of top end talent since the 2013 draft. I'm not even the biggest Wiseman fan, but he does have elite physical tools, and if the Bulls feel getting a walking double double machine is the safest bet, I can't fault them.

[Leslie Forman]

No way GS takes Wiseman. They are way to smart to waste a top pick on a big that hasn’t proven anything.

He's a good fit with the talent they have. He can come in and contribute right away crashing the glass and running the floor. Overall I would trust in GS's play development.

If they do bother with a big man, I'm inclined to think it'll be Okongwu, not Wiseman. Quicker, more versatile, and potentially much more useful on offense.

Centers who are mostly just lob catchers and shotblockers, no matter how good they are at those things, are complete wastes of money. We know there is absolutely nobody here who has gone through as many statistical models as Morey - and his results have told him to say F the traditional center. This is the same guy who once maxed Dwight Howard - and now he's going with PJ Tucker there.

For all the talk of this "new" NBA it's really just more evolution of what the Bulls were already proving in the '90s.

[Chi town]

No way GS takes Wiseman. They are way to smart to waste a top pick on a big that hasn’t proven anything.

He's a good fit with the talent they have. He can come in and contribute right away crashing the glass and running the floor. Overall I would trust in GS's play development.

Live here in SF and read all the local sports stuff.

Bob Meyers has made it clear their window is now and they want to trade the pick. I think their floor is Wiggins, 2nd pick, MIN 2021 pick for Beal.

[Chi town]

All these projected trades are fun but there are no stars in the market, actually the closest guys with some star pedigree (I disagree in most cases but they can be perceived that way by some) that can be attainable are John Collins, Caris LeVert, Zach LaVine, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Jrue Holiday, Aaron Gordon, Tobias Harris, Buddy Hield, DeMar DeRozan, LaMarcus Aldridge, Chris Paul, Mike Conley, John Wall

Obviously some are bad deals that you won't move an asset for

Warriors aren't moving their pick for any of them, maybe Oladipo but dunno if Indiana goes that way (depends on if they know that he is leaving for certain, but his injury history is tough too), I also think that with Isaac's injury the Magic don't move Gordon

Beal.

[No-Man]

Beal isn't getting moved til at the earliest 2021 off season