Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Kobblehead]

Don't trade list:
- Joel Embiid
- Ben Simmons
- Matisse Thybulle

Can't move even if we wanted to list:
- Tobias Harris
- Al Horford

Tradeable guys:
- Josh Richardson
- Furkan Korkmaz
- Shake Milton

[Sam Hinkie]

I think trying to win now and trading Ben Simmons/Harris to the Hornets makes the most sense. Flip the 3rd pick to a team that has fringe star but isn't close to contending.

[Kobblehead]

Can we package both Milton/Korkmaz and get one of these guys?

- Mikal Bridges
- Nickeil Walker
- Jarrett Culver
- Josh Okogie

[ankle420breaker]

Don't trade list:
- Joel Embiid
- Ben Simmons
- Matisse Thybulle

Can't move even if we wanted to list:
- Tobias Harris
- Al Horford

Tradeable guys:
- Josh Richardson
- Furkan Korkmaz
- Shake Milton

Not rushing to trade him, but I'd argue Thybulle is far from untouchable.

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[Kobblehead]

Not rushing to trade him, but I'd argue Thybulle is far from untouchable.

Agreed, I wasn't trying to designate him as untouchable.

Just setting him aside because I can envision him, along with Embiid and Simmons, being a starter on a championship team. I can't do that for guys like Milton, Korkmaz, or Richardson.

[VDT]

Your bias and naivety is still at a HIGH level here. Butler NEVER CHOSE TO COME TO PHILLY!!..he was traded here. Brand managed to beat out the Rockets to attain him...he gave up two average players and got an all-star whilst the Rockets offered the house and still couldn't get a deal done...and yet people think Morey is some Genius? And if Brand had nothing to do with the Jrich deal how comes the Heat lost a key player in the deal? A player who was only 25 and had THREE years left on a decent deal!!...you think Brand had nothing to do with that? SMH.

Whenever a star player (with very few exceptions like Kawhi) is traded in the final year of his contract there is an understanding that said star is wiling to stay with the team. I will repeat it for like the third time, either Brand had not such an understanding with Butler, or he regretted the trade or Butler didnt want to stay anymore in this dysfunctional organization. In none of these does Brand look good. The trade itself damaged the team chemistry and still after all these trades, the Sixers won less games than the year before.

Saying that Houston offered the house is silly, Houston didnt have many assets to offer, it is naive to believe that the Timberwlves would decline a better offer from Houston because of Brand. The Heat could not sign Butler as a free agent, they had to do a sign and trade with the Sixers and the Sixers got Richardson as compensation. Had Butler wanted to go to another team the Sixers would get nothing.

Again this is complete nonsense imo. Last season our starting five was hailed as the best IN THE LEAGUE!!..together they were about 15 and 2 during the 17 games they played together before the playoffs. This year the team was again hailed as one of the best in the league and the home record IS ONE OF THE BEST IN LEAGUE HISTORY!!!..so by those two facts alone how the hell can you say that the GM has failed? The issue is Ben has not progressed offensively and Brown is clueless when it comes to adjustments. How many quality GM's in the league would succeed with those two things hanging around their neck? Harris is a quality third piece on a good team but you detractors are still soooooo bitter about the trade that you will blame him for the failings of others...it's pathetic imo.

Results count and results are bad. I am not sure what your point is. That some reporters thought the Sixers had a good team? Is that Brand's excuse now? The actual reality is that he has destroyed any flexibility we had with these terrible contracts he gave to Horford and Harris and the team is in much worse situation than two years ago, when Brand became the GM. The team doesnt have any cap space and is winning less games than 2 years ago (when they still had Brown and Simmons) and is about to get swept in the first round. This idiot not only has given horrific contracts to mediocre players like Harris and Horford but is projected to pay something like 120 mil for players playing the 4 and 5 in a league that is increasingly perimeter oriented. He is giving Billy King a run for his money right now and his potential seems even higher. Again he spent 60 mil in cap space and wasted many assets and the team is worse than it was, when one would expect it to be better, without any changes, due to internal growth.

How can you "fix" a team who has one star who can't even shoot a basic jumper and another star who can't stay fit and injury free during the season? You forum Gm's always like to pick and poke at people but you don't have the answers yourselves!!.

If he thinks they are not good enough or that their potential is limited he can trade them, he is the GM after all and they had value. The reality doesnt change, after all his trades, after wasting all the assets and cap space the team is worse than it was before that, when they still had Embiid, Simmons and Brown that you are trying to scapegoat, and the team chemistry and spirit is at an all time low.

LOL at anyone who thinks this team is in a "worse position" than when we lost to Boston two years ago!!...UTTER NONSENSE!! ..this year we have assets we can trade and we now know who Ben and Joel really are!!..plus it's been confirmed that Brett is a hot mess too. I'd MUCH rather be here than back two years ago no question about it.

That team had won more games in the regular season than this team and lost to a Boston team in the second round in their first time in the playoffs. At the same time time the team had much more room to grow, they had a huge cap space and their main players were younger. Now instead of cap space they have horrible contracts of largely useless players. You would need to send assets to get rid of Horford and Harris. And you are about to get swept in the first round.

And what's funny is folks like you will hail Hinkie!!..a guy who's only plan was to lose in order to get picks!!..WHAT A GENIUS!!..whereas a guy who is actually TRYING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP is scapegoated by those same people!!..smh I guess the old saying is true...IGNORANCE REALLY IS BLISS!!.

That's what is truly frightening actually. Brand is trying to win a championship, while wasting the assets and cap space that Hinkie left, and the team is getting worse. It takes a monumental amount of incompetence to achieve that but it seems Brand was up to the task. He (and Colangelo) turned a team with one of the best future in the league (if not the best) to a laughing stock.

[Sam Hinkie]

Embiid and Simmons need to be broken up. They just can't co-exist on a championship team. Or, they could, if the team was built by someone even remotely competent. It's too late, and we are running out of options. I am guessing they will prefer keeping Simmons because he is the safer player. I just think they could get more for Simmons and would prefer they trade him.

So I ask you two questions: If you had to keep one, which would you prefer. And also, which of them do you think has more trade value?

I think the answers to those questions will show you the path forward.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid and Simmons need to be broken up. They just can't co-exist on a championship team. Or, they could, if the team was built by someone even remotely competent. It's too late, and we are running out of options. I am guessing they will prefer keeping Simmons because he is the safer player. I just think they could get more for Simmons and would prefer they trade him.

So I ask you two questions: If you had to keep one, which would you prefer. And also, which of them do you think has more trade value?

I think the answers to those questions will show you the path forward.

They could coexist but it requires lots of work in terms of fit, too difficult to attain given our situation, it made much more sense 1 or 2 years ago to keep trying the Embiid+Simmons experiment because we had plenty of assets and cap space.

It is hard to know who will be the better player going forward, Embiid is a better player at this point but Simmons is more talented, it depends on why he has underperformed so much relative to his talent so far. Is it because he is just interested in living the good life and is already good enough to be an all star and getting max money, aka bad work ethic? or is it because his coach has been coddling him and allows him to get a pass for not working on his deficiencies?
What is evident is that Embiid has considerably more trade value at this moment, if that's what you are interested in.

[Kobblehead]

I don't think Embiid/Simmons need to be broken up. Their compatibility concerns have been exaggerated and then ingrained in folks minds thanks to the national media. There's 3 other players on the court with those guys. So the fit of 2 players is irrelevant.

The only reason I would even entertain trading Ben Simmons is because he's a role player on a superstar contract, which makes him a bad asset.

[ankle420breaker]

Kyle Anderson & Dieng for Harris.

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I think Memphis would pass in order to see what they can do with their cap in the 2021 offseason.

Anderson is still under contract for two full seasons. Harris wouldn't be a bad fit alongside Morant, JJJ, Brooks, & Jonas.

Anderson is meh, but at least he's a switchable defender who can playmake.

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[Bum Adebayo]

It kinda does when you are capped in terms of mediocre assets and no cap space though.

[Sam Hinkie]

Neither can create sustainable offense on their own. They are great defensively, and in theory could work, but we don't have the assets to get a legit number 1 option on offense. And Harris and Horford are albatrosses and also horrible fits with Embiid and Simmons who are bad fits with each other. It is just one of the worst built rosters in the league.

[Bum Adebayo]

We need a guy that can score on the ball, this is 2020 guys, we have no business running a dinosaur kind of offense around Embiid, what are we even doing?

[Kobblehead]

Also, Kyle Anderson is the exact guy that would make life for Jayson Tatum difficult throughout a playoff series.

Assuming we have a coach that can gameplan against him properly by then (unlike Brett).

[VDT]

Embiid and Simmons need to be broken up. They just can't co-exist on a championship team. Or, they could, if the team was built by someone even remotely competent. It's too late, and we are running out of options. I am guessing they will prefer keeping Simmons because he is the safer player. I just think they could get more for Simmons and would prefer they trade him.

So I ask you two questions: If you had to keep one, which would you prefer. And also, which of them do you think has more trade value?

I think the answers to those questions will show you the path forward.

The issue with Simmons and Embiid is that they dont compliment each other, at least offensively.

I wouldnt trade anyone now because we are going to get fleeced. The aim should be to get a star perimeter player that can score and facilitate. To do that you have to find a team that is forced to trade him. Even then it will not be easy. A Kawhi situation would be ideal, because if the team needs rebuilding assets i am not sure we can accommodate that. From the two, if we could pick either, i would trade Simmons as i find what he does, and assuming no drastic growth, a luxury for a team. Perimeter defense, some transition strengths and good passing vision are good to have but are not a necessity. At the moment he lacks the scoring skills, particularly in the half court but also in general, that would really compliment his skillset.

[VDT]

We need a guy that can score on the ball, this is 2020 guys, we have no business running a dinosaur kind of offense around Embiid, what are we even doing?

Embiid is efficient, forces double teams and draw fouls. You just need a perimeter threat to balance the offense and have more firepower. Shaq needed Kobe and vice versa.

[Kobblehead]

Neither can create sustainable offense on their own. They are great defensively, and in theory could work, but we don't have the assets to get a legit number 1 option on offense. And Harris and Horford are albatrosses and also horrible fits with Embiid and Simmons who are bad fits with each other. It is just one of the worst built rosters in the league.

I agree with what you're saying. I just don't think the answer is to break them up for the sake of it. Why not try to bridge the gap with smaller deals that doesn't involve the two of them. There are ways to supplement shotcreation onto your roster on a smaller scale. It won't be as impactful as having a true go-to scoring option, but it will help us be more postseason viable. Hell, getting Alec Burks in here was a halfway decent example of that.

[SparksFly87]

ben to twolves for 1st pick in draft and fillers ( Lamelo or Edwards)

Or

Embiid to Gsw for Wiggins, Pashall and 3rd pick.


Tobias and filler scott for Paul.

Horford,JRich, OKC pick, 76ers pick and rights to Micic for Jrue and Redick

[ankle420breaker]

Richardson, Korkmaz, Micic, Pelle for Derozan (SA going nowhere fast and could see them opting to rebuild).

Harris & protected first for Kyle Anderson, Dieng, and Josh Jackson.

Horford, Thybulle, Zhaire Smith for Harrison Barnes & Bjelica.

Try like hell to sign Lowry after next season (reuniting him with his best friend Derozan in his hometown would position us nicely).

Embiid/Dieng
Simmons/Bjelica
Barnes/Anderson
Derozan/Jackson
Lowry/Milton



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[Sam Hinkie]

Derozan isn't what we need. Think more along the lines of Redick, LeVert, Holiday.