Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Kobblehead]

If we're going to make a deal with San Antonio, I'd rather attach a future 1st along with Richardson and salary filler for DeJounte Murray.

Murray is an elite defensive guard. Can score off the dribble and made strides in his jumpshot development. He's poised for a major breakout in the coming years. Might even be a G version of Kawhi type of breakout where's he's an elite player on both ends.

[Kobblehead]

Derozan isn't what we need. Think more along the lines of Redick, LeVert, Holiday.

Definitely not what we need. We can't have anymore unplayable defenders that get roasted in playoff series. Same goes for Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes.

[King Ken]

Most of these deals must be an easy no from the other side because I'm way too excited to accept them

They are. OKC changed their path from rebuilding to maintaining during the season. CP3 availability ended.

I do think Embiid for SGA and Adams could work but I am not sure either team is interested.

My guess is Philly has to get rid of Harris or Horford contract. Not sure how. I could see a Harris for Conley Jr deal but not sure how appealing that is to Philly. Conley Jr. Looks washed.

Trading CP3 opens up more opportunity for Shai and Dennis. And if Gallo walks, Harris is an excellent replacement.

If Utah would do Conley for Harris, that is acceptable as well.

Dennis best position is the one he's in. An 6th man. Shai isn't really a lead initiator. He's a very player but not a lead initiator.

Gallo wants to return and from all coming out of OKC is they want him as well.

I don't see a CP3 without getting an asset in return.

[Kobblehead]

Shai is so lethal scoring off the dribble that he hasn't quite been used as a PG yet. Once he gets his own team, he'll be a lead initiator. He was a strong facilitator at Kentucky.

[Negrodamus]

I think there's going to be a few options for Tobi/Horford this offseason due to lockerroom concerns. I mentioned John Wall and he had beef with Beal and teammates right after he got injured. Based on legacy, I highly doubt CP3 wants to spend his remaining days with no chance at an NBA Championship. I can't imagine he'll stay quiet. Buddy Hield has had a falling out with the Kings.

The positive is that Tobi and Horford seem to be beloved by their teammates and can be a good influence on younger players. The downside is that we'd have to take on a guy with a history of being discontent. We have experience in that (Jimmy) but everybody's different.

[davesilver]

THE CURE

Trade 1: Al + Jrich + 2021 2nd + 36 for JJ + Jrue
Trade 2: Furkan + S&T Burks + 34 for Hield

Starters: Jrue - Hield - Tobias - Ben - Embiid
Bench: Shake - JJ - Matisse

Draft Tyrell Terry or Kira Lewis

Replace BB with one of Jay Wright, Ty Lue, Adrian Griffin
Fire entire FO. GM one of Adam Simon, Sachin Gupta, Bobby Webster, Mike Zarren

[Kobblehead]

Buddy Hield sucks so I wouldn't do trade #2.

Trade #1 seems too good to be true. How can Jrue Holiday be had without giving up at least one 1st rounder.

[ankle420breaker]

Buddy Hield sucks so I wouldn't do trade #2.

Trade #1 seems too good to be true. How can Jrue Holiday be had without giving up at least one 1st rounder.

That's because it is too good to be true. Jrue's a game changer and will be priced accordingly.

That said, he's one of the few guys I'd be willing to package Thybulle and a first to acquire. Remember just two years ago Jrue singlehandedly put Lillard in a box for an entire series.

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[davesilver]

Buddy Hield sucks so I wouldn't do trade #2.

Trade #1 seems too good to be true. How can Jrue Holiday be had without giving up at least one 1st rounder.

That's because it is too good to be true. Jrue's a game changer and will be priced accordingly.

That said, he's one of the few guys I'd be willing to package Thybulle and a first to acquire. Remember just two years ago Jrue singlehandedly put Lillard in a box for an entire series.

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Is attaching the OKC first is enough to get the deal done?

[ankle420breaker]

Buddy Hield sucks so I wouldn't do trade #2.

Trade #1 seems too good to be true. How can Jrue Holiday be had without giving up at least one 1st rounder.

That's because it is too good to be true. Jrue's a game changer and will be priced accordingly.

That said, he's one of the few guys I'd be willing to package Thybulle and a first to acquire. Remember just two years ago Jrue singlehandedly put Lillard in a box for an entire series.

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Is attaching the OKC first is enough to get the deal done?

Probably not, we'd likely need to include Thybulle as well.

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[Negrodamus]

Send Horford to Min for a trade with James Johnson and contracts to match. Gives KAT his mentor, friend, and an actual center to allow him to play stretch 4. Removes years of pain for us and his contract.

Send Tobi and a 2nd to Mavs for Tim Hardaway Jr and Dwight Powell.

Send JRich + 2nd to Nets for Spencer Dinwiddie

Draft Tyler Bey, Paul Reed, and Myles Powell.

Let Pelle, Shayok, Neto, GR3, and KOQ go off into the sunset.

Thybulle, Reed, and Bey will all be able to play switchable defense with 2-way potential (more Reed and Bey).

PnR everything.

[ZarcMumoff]

THE CURE

Trade 1: Al + Jrich + 2021 2nd + 36 for JJ + Jrue
Trade 2: Furkan + S&T Burks + 34 for Hield

Starters: Jrue - Hield - Tobias - Ben - Embiid
Bench: Shake - JJ - Matisse

Draft Tyrell Terry or Kira Lewis

Replace BB with one of Jay Wright, Ty Lue, Adrian Griffin
Fire entire FO. GM one of Adam Simon, Sachin Gupta, Bobby Webster, Mike Zarren

Why would the Pelicans or Kings do either of those trades? Absolutely awful.

[Kobblehead]

That's because it is too good to be true. Jrue's a game changer and will be priced accordingly.

That said, he's one of the few guys I'd be willing to package Thybulle and a first to acquire. Remember just two years ago Jrue singlehandedly put Lillard in a box for an entire series.

Getting Jrue would be amazing, but losing Thybulle and a 1st would really gut our roster.

Getting nothing out of that 2018 draft really screwed up our depth. Missing on the obvious homerun in Shai was unacceptable, but even if we came away with Mikal Bridges or Troy Brown, we would be in great position to make a trade for Jrue.

I don't see how we can make a deal for him with how shallow this roster is of playoff worthy players.

[davesilver]

THE CURE

Trade 1: Al + Jrich + 2021 2nd + 36 for JJ + Jrue
Trade 2: Furkan + S&T Burks + 34 for Hield

Starters: Jrue - Hield - Tobias - Ben - Embiid
Bench: Shake - JJ - Matisse

Draft Tyrell Terry or Kira Lewis

Replace BB with one of Jay Wright, Ty Lue, Adrian Griffin
Fire entire FO. GM one of Adam Simon, Sachin Gupta, Bobby Webster, Mike Zarren

Why would the Pelicans or Kings do either of those trades? Absolutely awful.

Al would be a good fit for the pels. Contract expires when Zions rookie deal is up. A big that can shoot and defend and provide a leadership presence for the young guys. JJ has one year left of his contract. Jrich and Al would add needed defense to the Pelicans lineup. Josh is a nice piece to add to a core of Zion Ingram Lonzo if they choose to extend him. They owe it to Jrue to trade him to a contender. Can’t think of a better fit for him than philly. If it gets the deal done I’d attach a future first, OKC first or Matisse if it really puts the trade in place.

Buddy Hield does not want to be on the kings. Kings would get a younger shooter and additional assets. But yea... this trade is overly optimistic and I’m not sure I’d give up additional assets to acquire buddy.

[Kobblehead]

Buddy Hield can't defend or score off the dribble so where is his playoff value?

All he does is enhance the viewing aesthetic of our regular season product. There's value in the pure entertainment aspect of that. Having fun watching basketball is a great thing. He ain't helping you win when the games matter, though.

[VCfor3]

Kyle Anderson & Dieng for Harris.

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I think Memphis would pass in order to see what they can do with their cap in the 2021 offseason.

Anderson is still under contract for two full seasons. Harris wouldn't be a bad fit alongside Morant, JJJ, Brooks, & Jonas.

Anderson is meh, but at least he's a switchable defender who can playmake.

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Harris is clearly the best player in the deal, but Memphis is set to have a chunk of cap space in 2021 and/or 2022. They may want to see who they can potentially get before trading their cap space for Harris.

[DT RAW]

I still am shocked at how many fans still want to build around both simmons and embiid.

Simmons has been in the league 4 years now I believe? He is arguably no better if not worse at every offensive facet of the game than he was coming into the league. Yes his defense is great, but as we've seen, defense is way more about scheme and coaching players to be in the right spots than it is about individual talent

That boston celtics team with kemba walker, heyward, and theis/kanter in their starting 5 is a better defensive team both in the regular season AND the playoffs than us.. and we have 3 times the talent defensively as them.

Defense is so overated in the NBA when it comes to an individual player's attributes and is all about the coach, his scheme, working hard, and being in the right places.

Trade simmons before his value tanks EVEN MORE, and build around embiid. Stop with this nonsense of building around a player that can not play bball in the half court.

2 years ago we could have got Booker for Simmons, with a lot attached to it. Now Phoenix would hang up on us in a 1 for 1 trade.

How much more are we willing to watch Ben's value drop? We are now seeing signs of injury risk on top of it.

STOP THE RIDICULOUSNESS. Swallow your pride. Fire this god awful coach, get rid of this horrific GM, Trade harris and horford and jrich, trade simmons. Build around Embiid.

otherwise enjoy as we get worse and worse, and embiid eventually leaves, and simmons in 2 years is Tobias Harris in terms of untradeability

[stormi]

just a horrible post that i wish i never had to read

[Bum Adebayo]

I still am shocked at how many fans still want to build around both simmons and embiid.

Simmons has been in the league 4 years now I believe? He is arguably no better if not worse at every offensive facet of the game than he was coming into the league. Yes his defense is great, but as we've seen, defense is way more about scheme and coaching players to be in the right spots than it is about individual talent

That boston celtics team with kemba walker, heyward, and theis/kanter in their starting 5 is a better defensive team both in the regular season AND the playoffs than us.. and we have 3 times the talent defensively as them.

Defense is so overated in the NBA when it comes to an individual player's attributes and is all about the coach, his scheme, working hard, and being in the right places.

Trade simmons before his value tanks EVEN MORE, and build around embiid. Stop with this nonsense of building around a player that can not play bball in the half court.

2 years ago we could have got Booker for Simmons, with a lot attached to it. Now Phoenix would hang up on us in a 1 for 1 trade.

How much more are we willing to watch Ben's value drop? We are now seeing signs of injury risk on top of it.

STOP THE RIDICULOUSNESS. Swallow your pride. Fire this god awful coach, get rid of this horrific GM, Trade harris and horford and jrich, trade simmons. Build around Embiid.

otherwise enjoy as we get worse and worse, and embiid eventually leaves, and simmons in 2 years is Tobias Harris in terms of untradeability

Agree for the most part, but you need to understand that Simmons is coming from an injury and it's not the first serious injury he's had, his trade value is not very high right now. If trading Simmons lands you a very good player, then yeah, by all means, but I doubt it at this point.
If you want a quick fix, it has to involve trading Embiid, since he is very valuable right now in terms of trade value. If you want a more steady approach, then yeah, wait 1 year and see how good Simmons is under a new coach, try to gauge if he is a stat padder that is unplayable in playoffs against good teams or if he is truly a winning player on a championship team. If it's the former, his trade value will be fairly high regardless, as potential and youth are rewarded; if it's the later you obviously keep him.

[DT RAW]

I still am shocked at how many fans still want to build around both simmons and embiid.

Simmons has been in the league 4 years now I believe? He is arguably no better if not worse at every offensive facet of the game than he was coming into the league. Yes his defense is great, but as we've seen, defense is way more about scheme and coaching players to be in the right spots than it is about individual talent

That boston celtics team with kemba walker, heyward, and theis/kanter in their starting 5 is a better defensive team both in the regular season AND the playoffs than us.. and we have 3 times the talent defensively as them.

Defense is so overated in the NBA when it comes to an individual player's attributes and is all about the coach, his scheme, working hard, and being in the right places.

Trade simmons before his value tanks EVEN MORE, and build around embiid. Stop with this nonsense of building around a player that can not play bball in the half court.

2 years ago we could have got Booker for Simmons, with a lot attached to it. Now Phoenix would hang up on us in a 1 for 1 trade.

How much more are we willing to watch Ben's value drop? We are now seeing signs of injury risk on top of it.

STOP THE RIDICULOUSNESS. Swallow your pride. Fire this god awful coach, get rid of this horrific GM, Trade harris and horford and jrich, trade simmons. Build around Embiid.

otherwise enjoy as we get worse and worse, and embiid eventually leaves, and simmons in 2 years is Tobias Harris in terms of untradeability

Agree for the most part, but you need to understand that Simmons is coming from an injury and it's not the first serious injury he's had, his trade value is not very high right now. If trading Simmons lands you a very good player, then yeah, by all means, but I doubt it at this point.
If you want a quick fix, it has to involve trading Embiid, since he is very valuable right now in terms of trade value. If you want a more steady approach, then yeah, wait 1 year and see how good Simmons is under a new coach, try to gauge if he is a stat padder that is unplayable in playoffs against good teams or if he is truly a winning player on a championship team. If it's the former, his trade value will be fairly high regardless, as potential and youth are rewarded; if it's the later you obviously keep him.

The problem is, his trade value is only going to go down from here, not up. So the longer we wait, the worse his value is. The other option is trading Embiid and the other mentioned players and building around Simmons.

The reason I dont like that 2nd option is Ben Simmons is not a winning playoff basketball player. You can not win in today's NBA without the ability to create your own shot off the dribble and shoot the basketball. Ben is never going to get that in his game, ever.