Trade Ideas Thread

[Fencer reregistered]

I looked at trying a Bjelica trade for 26 as I think it would be good for all parties but can’t find the salaries to send back.

Does Sacramento have roster space for a collection of guys who probably won't make it but are promising enough that if you did have them you'd give them a look before cutting them? Boston has a few cheap rookies like that -- Edwards, Green, Poirier. Ojeleye is also cheap, and somewhat better than the level of those guys.

[Ernest]

How about the old Hayward for Drummond idea?

[Sactowndog]

I looked at trying a Bjelica trade for 26 as I think it would be good for all parties but can’t find the salaries to send back.

Does Sacramento have roster space for a collection of guys who probably won't make it but are promising enough that if you did have them you'd give them a look before cutting them? Boston has a few cheap rookies like that -- Edwards, Green, Poirier. Ojeleye is also cheap, and somewhat better than the level of those guys.

Yeah but Nemanja makes 7M and finding that is salary to send back is almost impossible. Especially given Ojeleye is not under contract to include.

[djFan71]

I looked at trying a Bjelica trade for 26 as I think it would be good for all parties but can’t find the salaries to send back.

Does Sacramento have roster space for a collection of guys who probably won't make it but are promising enough that if you did have them you'd give them a look before cutting them? Boston has a few cheap rookies like that -- Edwards, Green, Poirier. Ojeleye is also cheap, and somewhat better than the level of those guys.

Yeah but Nemanja makes 7M and finding that is salary to send back is almost impossible. Especially given Ojeleye is not under contract to include.

Edwards, Poirier & 30 does it if you sign 30 first.

[Parliament10]

Golden State get: Hayward, 14
Philly gets: Wiggins
Celtics get: Horford, 2

Would anyone do it?

I love Hayward but I jump on this for the chance at Wiseman. I just don’t see any scenario that Golden State considers this though

love Wiseman, but I am torn on his fit in Boston.

And I think GSW does consider it. Wiggins is pure garbage contract. Signed through 2023, way overpaid.
Wiggins is a minus 10 net rating. MINUS 10
A win share per 48 of .044
obpm of 0
dbpm of -2
vorp of 0.2
points added by overall shooting is -494!!!

he is 111th this season in winshares among wings.

The only thing he is good at is finishing at the rim on handoffs, but he doesnt like to do that. (95th percentile which is only 9,5% of his possessions)

36th percentile in Iso
80th percentile in spot up
79th percentile in transition
30th percentile in pick and roll ball handler

He is a mediocre bench level talent getting paid like an allstar. He is trash and it will cost the Warriors a pick just to move him.

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

[Sactowndog]

As Sactown dog noted, it's all about the picks. Put enough of them in, and it might work. Also, if the Kings want a replacement wing, the Celtics could throw in Ojeleye-- but he's a useful player so I'd want something in return, Richaun Holmes, perhaps?

Don’t the C’s have to do a sign and Trade to include Semi?

[djFan71]

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

Yeah, I'm out on Al.
I've obviously thrown out a ton of Hayward trades, but I think the most likely scenario is he resigns something like 3yr/$80-90M range. It's just not as fun to play with.

[Fencer reregistered]

Does Sacramento have roster space for a collection of guys who probably won't make it but are promising enough that if you did have them you'd give them a look before cutting them? Boston has a few cheap rookies like that -- Edwards, Green, Poirier. Ojeleye is also cheap, and somewhat better than the level of those guys.

Yeah but Nemanja makes 7M and finding that is salary to send back is almost impossible. Especially given Ojeleye is not under contract to include.

Edwards, Poirier & 30 does it if you sign 30 first.

Yeah. Slightly under 80% of salary needs to be sent back. And I'm pretty sure the Cs have options on both Ojeleye and Green.

That said, this kind of deal is indeed easier to complete next league year, with the draft pick having been exercised on Sacramento's behalf on a handshake agreement, then it is if truly completed before the draft.

[Sactowndog]

Yeah but Nemanja makes 7M and finding that is salary to send back is almost impossible. Especially given Ojeleye is not under contract to include.

Edwards, Poirier & 30 does it if you sign 30 first.

Yeah. Slightly under 80% of salary needs to be sent back. And I'm pretty sure the Cs have options on both Ojeleye and Green.

That said, this kind of deal is indeed easier to complete next league year, with the draft pick having been exercised on Sacramento's behalf on a handshake agreement, then it is if truly completed before the draft.

I do think Bjeli is a great hi IQ fit in Boston as scoring/shooting off the bench.

[Sactowndog]

Golden State get: Hayward, 14
Philly gets: Wiggins
Celtics get: Horford, 2

Would anyone do it?

I love Hayward but I jump on this for the chance at Wiseman. I just don’t see any scenario that Golden State considers this though

love Wiseman, but I am torn on his fit in Boston.

And I think GSW does consider it. Wiggins is pure garbage contract. Signed through 2023, way overpaid.
Wiggins is a minus 10 net rating. MINUS 10
A win share per 48 of .044
obpm of 0
dbpm of -2
vorp of 0.2
points added by overall shooting is -494!!!

he is 111th this season in winshares among wings.

The only thing he is good at is finishing at the rim on handoffs, but he doesnt like to do that. (95th percentile which is only 9,5% of his possessions)

36th percentile in Iso
80th percentile in spot up
79th percentile in transition
30th percentile in pick and roll ball handler

He is a mediocre bench level talent getting paid like an allstar. He is trash and it will cost the Warriors a pick just to move him.

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

I’m not sure Atlanta’s or Knicks cap space but they might take Hayward and picks and give back a project of sorts like Knox.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Golden State get: Hayward, 14
Philly gets: Wiggins
Celtics get: Horford, 2

Would anyone do it?

I love Hayward but I jump on this for the chance at Wiseman. I just don’t see any scenario that Golden State considers this though

love Wiseman, but I am torn on his fit in Boston.

And I think GSW does consider it. Wiggins is pure garbage contract. Signed through 2023, way overpaid.
Wiggins is a minus 10 net rating. MINUS 10
A win share per 48 of .044
obpm of 0
dbpm of -2
vorp of 0.2
points added by overall shooting is -494!!!

he is 111th this season in winshares among wings.

The only thing he is good at is finishing at the rim on handoffs, but he doesnt like to do that. (95th percentile which is only 9,5% of his possessions)

36th percentile in Iso
80th percentile in spot up
79th percentile in transition
30th percentile in pick and roll ball handler

He is a mediocre bench level talent getting paid like an allstar. He is trash and it will cost the Warriors a pick just to move him.

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

I’m not sure Atlanta’s or Knicks cap space but they might take Hayward and picks and give back a project of sorts like Knox.

I‘d doubt that we’d be looking to outright dump Hayward

[Parliament10]

Golden State get: Hayward, 14
Philly gets: Wiggins
Celtics get: Horford, 2

Would anyone do it?

I love Hayward but I jump on this for the chance at Wiseman. I just don’t see any scenario that Golden State considers this though

love Wiseman, but I am torn on his fit in Boston.

And I think GSW does consider it. Wiggins is pure garbage contract. Signed through 2023, way overpaid.
Wiggins is a minus 10 net rating. MINUS 10
A win share per 48 of .044
obpm of 0
dbpm of -2
vorp of 0.2
points added by overall shooting is -494!!!

he is 111th this season in winshares among wings.

The only thing he is good at is finishing at the rim on handoffs, but he doesnt like to do that. (95th percentile which is only 9,5% of his possessions)

36th percentile in Iso
80th percentile in spot up
79th percentile in transition
30th percentile in pick and roll ball handler

He is a mediocre bench level talent getting paid like an allstar. He is trash and it will cost the Warriors a pick just to move him.

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

I’m not sure Atlanta’s or Knicks cap space but they might take Hayward and picks and give back a project of sorts like Knox.

I like that #2 pick for Wiseman.

How about just:
Hayward & 14 = 2 (Wiseman) + TPE?

[Darthlukey]

I like the Trading Hayward and #14, etc.
But not the bringing back of Horford.

Seems to be a General Consensus to Trade Hayward, and some picks at the Draft.

I’m not sure Atlanta’s or Knicks cap space but they might take Hayward and picks and give back a project of sorts like Knox.

I like that #2 pick for Wiseman.

How about just:
Hayward & 14 = 2 (Wiseman) + TPE?

Salary doesn't work. Their exception is only around $17m

[Ernest]

Any way to get Oubre?

[Parliament10]

I’m not sure Atlanta’s or Knicks cap space but they might take Hayward and picks and give back a project of sorts like Knox.

I like that #2 pick for Wiseman.

How about just:
Hayward & 14 = 2 (Wiseman) + TPE?

Salary doesn't work. Their exception is only around $17m

Not for their Iguodala Exception. But, just Straight, and Celtics get a $34M (Hayward) TPE?

[Celts17Pride]

Any way to get Oubre?

I hope not

[Curmudgeon]

Any way to get Oubre?

I hope not

Oubre is a punk.

As for trading Hayward into a team with cap room, that might work, but assuming that the cap stays at $109M or drops below that, you are talking about 3-4 teams, none of which would have the slightest interest in Hayward unless the GM is a boob. He's a veteran with an expiring deal. These teams don't need to clear cap space they already have.

Hayward is a good player and would have value to a contender looking for one more player who fits better than a highly compensated player the team already has. Lamarcus Aldridge is one player who comes immediately to mind, but there are others.

[100proof]

I like that #2 pick for Wiseman.

How about just:
Hayward & 14 = 2 (Wiseman) + TPE?

Salary doesn't work. Their exception is only around $17m

Not for their Iguodala Exception. But, just Straight, and Celtics get a $34M (Hayward) TPE?

They would need to have capsace available to absorb the contract. Only way to create a tpe


I would do hayward and edwards for #2 and wiggins.

If any coach canake wiggins work its brad. and he is quite goot at catch and shoot. Perhaps in a 4th option role it would work for him.

If danny can raise a little value in him we could flip him later, that is Assuming 14, 26 and wiggins cannot net something out there from a team like NYK(barrett and wiggins are both canadians and might work quite well together.) Maybe detroit wgo needs some scoring on the wings. Would probably work in atlanta. I think there are possibilites

[Curmudgeon]

I have even less interest in Wiggins than I do in Oubre. I would have more interest in Frank Ntilikina or Chandler Hutchinson, but that isn't going to happen in a Hayward deal.

[Fencer reregistered]

I like that #2 pick for Wiseman.

How about just:
Hayward & 14 = 2 (Wiseman) + TPE?

Salary doesn't work. Their exception is only around $17m

Not for their Iguodala Exception. But, just Straight, and Celtics get a $34M (Hayward) TPE?

How in your scenario do the Warriors accept Hayward into their cap structure?