2020 NBA Draft prospects

[KGdaBom]

I'm going to stop acting like Ball and Edwards are completely worthless. That is over the top. It just irritates the hell out of me that any team would consider drafting a player who can't shoot and can't or won't play defense at #1. My updated order for the draft.

1 Wiseman
2 Okongwu
3 Avdija
4 Toppin
5 Hayes
6 Edwards
7 Haliburton
8 Okoro (but not for us)
9 Vassell
10 Ball
11 Nesmith
12 Pokusevski

At the positions I rate Ball and Edwards it is extremely unlikely that I would draft either even in a trade down scenario, but they aren't worthless and it was a bit immature of me to act like they were. If we draft either I will go into full on support mode.

I appreciate different points of view and I do like both centers, just don’t think we’ll take either because of Towns and the devaluation of centers.

The other thing to note is that you say shooting is so critical but you have Deni high (love him btw) who has a career FT% in the low 60s (which is generally the best sign of shooting ability) as well as Hayes who shot 28 or 29% from three last year.

Note that I do believe in both Deni’s and Hayes’ shots because they have nice form similar to how I believe in Edwards’ shot.

I only listed one center. You can say devaluation of the center all you want, but it doesn't mean that Wiseman isn't extremely valuable. In the past he would have been the #1 pick without question. Now there's some question, but he is still the best player in this draft and should go #1. I can't imagine the Warriors pass on him if he's there for their pick at 2.

[KGdaBom]

I'm going to stop acting like Ball and Edwards are completely worthless. That is over the top. It just irritates the hell out of me that any team would consider drafting a player who can't shoot and can't or won't play defense at #1. My updated order for the draft.

1 Wiseman
2 Okongwu
3 Avdija
4 Toppin
5 Hayes
6 Edwards
7 Haliburton
8 Okoro (but not for us)
9 Vassell
10 Ball
11 Nesmith
12 Pokusevski

At the positions I rate Ball and Edwards it is extremely unlikely that I would draft either even in a trade down scenario, but they aren't worthless and it was a bit immature of me to act like they were. If we draft either I will go into full on support mode.

I could definitely see Wiseman becoming the best player in this years draft, but can we make the twin towers work with him and KAT? Looking at the way all these playoff teams are constructed at the moment it's mainly small ball or one 7 footer lineups. The Davis and Boogie experiment is the only time two legit star bigs have started together in recent years and that didn't last long.

Due to injury it didn't last long.

[southern wolf]

I'm going to stop acting like Ball and Edwards are completely worthless. That is over the top. It just irritates the hell out of me that any team would consider drafting a player who can't shoot and can't or won't play defense at #1. My updated order for the draft.

1 Wiseman
2 Okongwu
3 Avdija
4 Toppin
5 Hayes
6 Edwards
7 Haliburton
8 Okoro (but not for us)
9 Vassell
10 Ball
11 Nesmith
12 Pokusevski

At the positions I rate Ball and Edwards it is extremely unlikely that I would draft either even in a trade down scenario, but they aren't worthless and it was a bit immature of me to act like they were. If we draft either I will go into full on support mode.

I could definitely see Wiseman becoming the best player in this years draft, but can we make the twin towers work with him and KAT? Looking at the way all these playoff teams are constructed at the moment it's mainly small ball or one 7 footer lineups. The Davis and Boogie experiment is the only time two legit star bigs have started together in recent years and that didn't last long.

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

Yeah forgot the Philly bigs. I wouldn't exactly call Boogie/Davis a disaster, but I don't think they would have gone far in the playoffs if Boogie didn't get injured.

[KGdaBom]

I just thought of another reason Edwards will go first in the draft. Isn't there a law that the first pick in the NBA draft has to be named Anthony?

[jpatrick]

I'm going to stop acting like Ball and Edwards are completely worthless. That is over the top. It just irritates the hell out of me that any team would consider drafting a player who can't shoot and can't or won't play defense at #1. My updated order for the draft.

1 Wiseman
2 Okongwu
3 Avdija
4 Toppin
5 Hayes
6 Edwards
7 Haliburton
8 Okoro (but not for us)
9 Vassell
10 Ball
11 Nesmith
12 Pokusevski

At the positions I rate Ball and Edwards it is extremely unlikely that I would draft either even in a trade down scenario, but they aren't worthless and it was a bit immature of me to act like they were. If we draft either I will go into full on support mode.

I appreciate different points of view and I do like both centers, just don’t think we’ll take either because of Towns and the devaluation of centers.

The other thing to note is that you say shooting is so critical but you have Deni high (love him btw) who has a career FT% in the low 60s (which is generally the best sign of shooting ability) as well as Hayes who shot 28 or 29% from three last year.

Note that I do believe in both Deni’s and Hayes’ shots because they have nice form similar to how I believe in Edwards’ shot.

I only listed one center. You can say devaluation of the center all you want, but it doesn't mean that Wiseman isn't extremely valuable. In the past he would have been the #1 pick without question. Now there's some question, but he is still the best player in this draft and should go #1. I can't imagine the Warriors pass on him if he's there for their pick at 2.

You don’t consider Okungwu a center? You truly believe in big lineups.

[Norseman79]

I would agree that two big, plodding 5's would not work. However, neither KAT nor Wiseman are slow or unathletic. In addition, KAT's offensive game is legitimately transferable to the perimeter more than most any other big. If Wiseman's handle is even average and his range is even just 15-18' right now, you still hold an edge. Now imagine running screen and role with Towns and Wiseman with Beasley and Russell spotting up. Something will be open.

[KGdaBom]

I appreciate different points of view and I do like both centers, just don’t think we’ll take either because of Towns and the devaluation of centers.

The other thing to note is that you say shooting is so critical but you have Deni high (love him btw) who has a career FT% in the low 60s (which is generally the best sign of shooting ability) as well as Hayes who shot 28 or 29% from three last year.

Note that I do believe in both Deni’s and Hayes’ shots because they have nice form similar to how I believe in Edwards’ shot.

I only listed one center. You can say devaluation of the center all you want, but it doesn't mean that Wiseman isn't extremely valuable. In the past he would have been the #1 pick without question. Now there's some question, but he is still the best player in this draft and should go #1. I can't imagine the Warriors pass on him if he's there for their pick at 2.

You don’t consider Okungwu a center? You truly believe in big lineups.

Okongwu is only 6'9" dude. Same height as Avdija. He played PF in college and that is his obvious position in the NBA.

[Norseman79]

Watching Lakers and Blazers right now...lots of Davis and Howard/MaGee and Nurkic and Whiteside playing together...would include Collins if he wasn't hurt

[Norseman79]

Jokic and Porter Jr, Sabonis and Turner, Porzingis and Kleiber/Boban, Ayton and Saric, Valanciunis and Jackson, you could even say Isaac and Vucevic, Collins and Capela, Lopez and Giannis

[Norseman79]

Many people forget Towns is only 6'10.5 and like 245, he could easily drop a few to add quickness. Now, is he as special at the 4? Who knows, but if he is a star, then that shouldn't matter offensively and his defense would probably improve as he would no longer be responsible for the paint. People will point to KAT and Dieng pairing, but Gorgui is slow and not explosive. No where near comparable to what Wiseman and Towns would be

[jpatrick]

We shall see what Rosas decides to do. He definitely said that having Towns/Russell would not stop him from picking any position. Therefore, he should pick who he thinks is the best talent. Just hard for me to believe that after his mentor decided it’s better to play without any center (Morey) that Rosas would go double center, but I’ve been wrong before.

[Norseman79]

We shall see what Rosas decides to do. He definitely said that having Towns/Russell would not stop him from picking any position. Therefore, he should pick who he thinks is the best talent. Just hard for me to believe that after his mentor decided it’s better to play without any center (Morey) that Rosas would go double center, but I’ve been wrong before.

Oh, I am extremely skeptical of it happening. I agree with you on that. But they better be damn sure before the pass on him. There is also the chance KAT shoots down the idea behind the scenes as he may not want to play the wing

[KGdaBom]

We shall see what Rosas decides to do. He definitely said that having Towns/Russell would not stop him from picking any position. Therefore, he should pick who he thinks is the best talent. Just hard for me to believe that after his mentor decided it’s better to play without any center (Morey) that Rosas would go double center, but I’ve been wrong before.

Oh, I am extremely skeptical of it happening. I agree with you on that. But they better be damn sure before the pass on him. There is also the chance KAT shoots down the idea behind the scenes as he may not want to play the wing

KAT follows Wiseman on Twitter or one of those. He won't have any problem with us drafting Wiseman.

[Klomp]

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

The funny thing is, Wiseman has drawn some Embiid comparisons while Towns drew some Horford comparisons back in 2015.

[jpatrick]

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

The funny thing is, Wiseman has drawn some Embiid comparisons while Towns drew some Horford comparisons back in 2015.

If Wiseman is the next Embiid, I don’t care about fit, draft him. I’m watching UIC/Memphis now. Haven’t seen a lot of skills out of Wiseman yet but UIC is completely outmatched. On the broadcast, they compared him to David Robinson, who did pretty well in a double big situation.

I really hope individual workouts are allowed. Ball and Wiseman have barely played in the last year and I feel Edwards needs to show shot improvement in the gym before the draft.

Btw, in the few minutes I’ve watched, I think Precious Achiuwa will have a long NBA career. I’m not entirely sure of his skill level, but guy has a great frame and plays hard.

[Norseman79]

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

The funny thing is, Wiseman has drawn some Embiid comparisons while Towns drew some Horford comparisons back in 2015.

If Wiseman is the next Embiid, I don’t care about fit, draft him. I’m watching UIC/Memphis now. Haven’t seen a lot of skills out of Wiseman yet but UIC is completely outmatched. On the broadcast, they compared him to David Robinson, who did pretty well in a double big situation.

I really hope individual workouts are allowed. Ball and Wiseman have barely played in the last year and I feel Edwards needs to show shot improvement in the gym before the draft.

Btw, in the few minutes I’ve watched, I think Precious Achiuwa will have a long NBA career. I’m not entirely sure of his skill level, but guy has a great frame and plays hard.

I like Precious if we go guard early. He came in as a SF, unfortunately with what happened to Wiseman, he was kicked inside and didn't get to show much of handle/perimeter game

[KGdaBom]

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

The funny thing is, Wiseman has drawn some Embiid comparisons while Towns drew some Horford comparisons back in 2015.

If Wiseman is the next Embiid, I don’t care about fit, draft him. I’m watching UIC/Memphis now. Haven’t seen a lot of skills out of Wiseman yet but UIC is completely outmatched. On the broadcast, they compared him to David Robinson, who did pretty well in a double big situation.

I really hope individual workouts are allowed. Ball and Wiseman have barely played in the last year and I feel Edwards needs to show shot improvement in the gym before the draft.

Btw, in the few minutes I’ve watched, I think Precious Achiuwa will have a long NBA career. I’m not entirely sure of his skill level, but guy has a great frame and plays hard.

I wouldn't complain at all if Achiuwa is our pick at 17.

[TheProdigy]

You’re forgetting Philly’s Embiid/Horford experiment this year, which much like Boogie/Davis, was a disaster.

The funny thing is, Wiseman has drawn some Embiid comparisons while Towns drew some Horford comparisons back in 2015.

If Wiseman is the next Embiid, I don’t care about fit, draft him. I’m watching UIC/Memphis now. Haven’t seen a lot of skills out of Wiseman yet but UIC is completely outmatched. On the broadcast, they compared him to David Robinson, who did pretty well in a double big situation.

I really hope individual workouts are allowed. Ball and Wiseman have barely played in the last year and I feel Edwards needs to show shot improvement in the gym before the draft.

Exactly! You don't pass on the superior talent just because the fit isn't perfect for your scheme.

I don't think it gets mentioned enough how much of a physical freak James Wiseman is. He has crazy length (7'6 wingspan) and moves extremely well for his size.

I think we also need to make a distinction between whether the center position in general has been devalued or if there is a specific trait that has been devalued for centers. In my opinion, the slow, low post centers of the past have been devalued, but there is still tremendous value in having a center that can defend the paint. It's just really hard to find those guys who can patrol the paint and shoot reasonably well. I think Wiseman has a good chance of being that type of player.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Jokic and Porter Jr, Sabonis and Turner, Porzingis and Kleiber/Boban, Ayton and Saric, Valanciunis and Jackson, you could even say Isaac and Vucevic, Collins and Capela, Lopez and Giannis

Yep. Plus we can have a formidable back up 4/5 with Juancho and JJ. I like Nas Reid but he’s 11th guy material

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Look at this dudes handles


https://youtu.be/zvVylKWyq7A

Yep that’s all I need to see. Wiseman needs to be the guy