Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

I believe you underestimate republicans and their capacity to not give a ****.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-rush-to-finalize-convention-apprentice-producers-are-helping/ar-BB18gAPx

Still not going to watch, but Im still interested in seeing if trump can pull off being the keynote speaker for all 4 days.

Also even if he wanted to include his family, why wouldnt he highlight the family's best speaker, his daughter-in-law?

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

I believe you underestimate republicans and their capacity to not give a ****.

Well, they just broke ranks in the House

The Wall Street Journal just published a full page Republicans for Biden listing pretty much every prominent former Republican of the past 30 years

Everyone is getting arrested or are about to.

I don't underestimate how disinterested the GOP is regarding the public good, but I do think they are already scurrying like rats and abandoning Trump. Dipchits like Gaetz and McCarthy will go down with the ship, but you'll see more of them disavowing Trump before the election.

But you may be right. McConnell could still table the resolution and take no action. He torpedoed a relief package after all. But I'm betting he will because to let the Post Office go down in flames would probably guarantee his loss in Kentucky and he's foremost a cockroach that will do whatever it takes to survive. Even if he loses his majority, he might still want to keep his job. We''ll see

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Ah, these assh*les are involved again:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/us/politics/republican-convention-preview.html

Republicans Rush to Finalize Convention (‘Apprentice’ Producers Are Helping)

Two producers of “The Apprentice,” where Mr. Trump rose to TV stardom, are involved in the planning. Sadoux Kim, a longtime deputy to the “Apprentice” creator Mark Burnett, is a lead consultant on the production. Mr. Kim once served as a Miss Universe judge when Mr. Trump owned the pageant. Chuck LaBella, a former NBC entertainment executive who helped produce “The Comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump,” is also on the payroll.

But the evil Hollywood...

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I get that trump is their pres an all so ra ra trump, but in what way is that many deaths acceptable to any sane person?

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

Sadly it won’t matter one bit. People are profoundly ignorant of how politics work, even those who are engaged. Remember all of Congress always gets the blame when the Senate blocks legislation. Remember the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act that the Democrats passed and Senate couldn’t even be bothered to bring up for a vote or put out their own legislation? Yeah silence on that from everyone, but hey Joe Biden said “you ain’t black!”

It doesn’t matter man. Republicans are willing to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their families to trigger the Libs. All those brain dead right leaning voters in places like Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of those red states that should be voting out these Senators are going to see the R next to the name and punch their death sentence. Oh and on the left we have people who shall remain nameless who will continue to complain Corporate/Centrist/Establishment Democrats don’t do anything for middle and low income people despite passing an overwhelming number of legislation and bills like this one for example. It’s all a tornado of stupidity, ignorance and bull.

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

Sadly it won’t matter one bit. People are profoundly ignorant of how politics work, even those who are engaged. Remember all of Congress always gets the blame when the Senate blocks legislation. Remember the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act that the Democrats passed and Senate couldn’t even be bothered to bring up for a vote or put out their own legislation? Yeah silence on that from everyone, but hey Joe Biden said “you ain’t black!”

It doesn’t matter man. Republicans are willing to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their families to trigger the Libs. All those brain dead right leaning voters in places like Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of those red states that should be voting out these Senators are going to see the R next to the name and punch their death sentence. Oh and on the left we have people who shall remain nameless who will continue to complain Corporate/Centrist/Establishment Democrats don’t do anything for middle and low income people despite passing an overwhelming number of legislation and bills like this one for example. It’s all a tornado of stupidity, ignorance and bull.

I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

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I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

I didn't reply, because we were literally talking about how she was flaunting her 20 grand refrigerators and gourmet ice-cream in a middle of a pandemic. And her breaking her golden rule and not endorsing an incumbent in Markey, a Green New Deal backer, as she watches her home state burn.

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I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

I didn't reply, because we were literally talking about how she was flaunting her 20 grand refrigerators and gourmet ice-cream in a middle of a pandemic. And her breaking her golden rule and not endorsing an incumbent in Markey, a Green New Deal backer, as she watches her home state burn.

She’s a corporatist and a hypocrite. The best thing that will happen to the Democratic Party is rid ourselves of Schumer and Pelosi and get some real fighters to replace these two relics of the past.

[Stannis]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

[Stannis]

This is kind of what I am feeling. AOC is right.

DNC's convention felt a little more risky. Some groups will feel snubbed.

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I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

I didn't reply, because we were literally talking about how she was flaunting her 20 grand refrigerators and gourmet ice-cream in a middle of a pandemic. And her breaking her golden rule and not endorsing an incumbent in Markey, a Green New Deal backer, as she watches her home state burn.

That means you don't like her maybe, but citing her showing James Corden her ice cream stash as your reason is pretty damn petty. So what if she was standing in front of two big gleaming fridges. She's supposed to put on a potato sack and pretend she doesn't have money? You think every leftist is a pauper? That you are actually pushing this as a reason when the right wingers have adopted this exact item as a campaign meme is again an example of how leftists are so easy to manipulate into pushing the right's attack agenda.

And if you're going to crucify her for Markey, she did endorse AOC, Omar and Tlaib. She's now your enemy because she didn't endorse every one of your choices. If she endorse every encumbent then you'd find a reason to say she's too conventional. And let's not spin this into Kennedy being a devil and Markey a saint. Markey is a good guy and I'd vote for him. His campaign video was on fire and fantastic. If anybody says Kennedy is a corporate slimeball and not acceptable to the left, because he's not Markey, then that's just sad. Kennedy is one of the greatest champions of environmental causes in politics today. He's definitely more left than the majority of the house.

Do you even know the back story of Pelosi's relationship with Kennedy?

She's had a working relationship with Markey for 40 years, but she is particularly close to Kennedy who worked hard to help other candidates get elected in the 2018 cycle. And it is part of Pelosi's job to get other Democrats elected, not just her cronies, but to recapture majorities and Kennedy and Markey were basically in a dead heat and Pelosi chose the guy she believes is a big part of the future of the party for good reason, the guy who has been instrumental in supporting the campaigns of other democrats and who is 39, not 73 and thus the guy with a career she wants to keep on track and progressing.

And Markey played hard and lost. He tried to tar and feather Kennedy with his family legacy by citing JFK in his ad. I thought it was brilliant actually. A terrific job, but when you play with fire you don't always get what you want.

However, if you choose to continue to be outraged over this, then this is what Markey himself said:

Pelosi “is an effective leader who has shattered glass ceilings throughout her career,” adding, “any candidate would be proud to have her endorsement. I congratulate Joe Kennedy on securing her support.”

To me, this Markey outrage is another example of leftists melting down over not getting exactly what they want every single time. She endorsed almost every one of your guys, but when she doesn't pick just one of them she's completely wack. No she's not. She had very good reasons to pick Kennedy and it was not because of some idiotic drivel that she is a corporatist who wants to crush the soul of a leftist revival. That's not true and it is irresponsible to claim that is her reason. She chose Kennedy because she believes in him, works very closely with him, she sees him as a key part of the future party and Kennedy is definitely a liberal. Kennedy and Markey are both good guys so let's cut the BS that one is perfect and the other is a disaster.

Pelosi has stood up her ground with the worst possible president imaginable and done a good job at it. That is valuable right now and if you can't credit it her for anything, at least realize she's done that better than many people in her position would have done. And if anyone thinks she caved on the first relief package then you don't understand how awful the situation we're in with this White House. She opposed the slush fund and as soon as the bill was passed Trump fired the people responsible for investigative oversight to monitor their disbursements. Pelosi had to eat that in order to get checks and extended unemployment into peoples' mailboxes. She's in a bind and doing the best she can which IMO has often been a strong oppositional force to Trump which is commendable.

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This is serious pressure now. If Mitch doesn't put this to a vote he will lose every Senate seat up for election

Even people who don't pay attention to politics are going to be mighty pissed if their checks and meds are held up

Sadly it won’t matter one bit. People are profoundly ignorant of how politics work, even those who are engaged. Remember all of Congress always gets the blame when the Senate blocks legislation. Remember the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act that the Democrats passed and Senate couldn’t even be bothered to bring up for a vote or put out their own legislation? Yeah silence on that from everyone, but hey Joe Biden said “you ain’t black!”

It doesn’t matter man. Republicans are willing to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their families to trigger the Libs. All those brain dead right leaning voters in places like Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of those red states that should be voting out these Senators are going to see the R next to the name and punch their death sentence. Oh and on the left we have people who shall remain nameless who will continue to complain Corporate/Centrist/Establishment Democrats don’t do anything for middle and low income people despite passing an overwhelming number of legislation and bills like this one for example. It’s all a tornado of stupidity, ignorance and bull.

I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

Because people treat propaganda and talking points as facts. They don’t ever question who it’s coming from or why. That’s why depending on who you ask Nancy Pelosi is both a extremist, radical leftist who’s going to implement socialism(like that’s a bad thing) and is a Republican light who’s hates the squad and is keeping congress from passing any Progressive legislation. I mean it’s really insane if you think about it and just shows how stupid everything is. The truth is she’s one of the most successful Speakers of the House, helped lead Democrats to historic midterm results and passed landmark legislation in the ACA which is not an easy thing to do when caucus encompasses many political ideologies. And she absolutely could have caved to Trump, especially when Democrats were in the minority but she didn’t and Trump absolutely hates her. I understand disliking her on style, but the hate she gets is not rooted in any type of objective reasoning, especially compared to previous speakers of the House.