2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Ugly Duckling]

my hopes for draft night.

1. create a package centered on our 4th and lauri and possibly even a protected pick for next season to golden state for the 2nd pick.

Really bad idea.

Reality is Lauri has more upside than likely any of these top 3 picks. Then you're essentially trading him away with the #4 to move up 2 spots for a guy in this draft where the difference in terms of upside from #2 to #4 is minimal.

You only move Lauri if it appears we're going to lose him in free agency. If not, then we should be working to fix him under this new management, not sell low.

You're drinking too much Homerism Kool-Aid. Last season was his to show what he's made of and instead of improving, he got worse. Sure he had some lingering shoulder stuff and our new GM should be able to make him better, but his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

[PlayerUp]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

[drosereturn]

The funny things is that as weak as this draft this is, Wiseman and Okongwu are the best prospects and have one of the highest ceilings being Howard/Russell, Dray with little bust since their floor are starters as in the mold of Capela.

They would have been no doubt top picks in the 80s bc of raw talent, but they are simply getting shunned nowadays just bc they are bigs and cannot shoot the 3. With how many talented bigs are being produced nowadays, it could easily be a big mans league by the time Bulls become a champion contender. Small ball began with Curry but its limitations is that it requires high degree of precision you get someone like Kyrie run the team, your screwed as we all witnessed in Boston and they were talented than the Bulls ever was.
Yes these big men have to learn to stretch the floor like Lauri but making one three per game isnt as hard which is why I keep asking for Lamelo to be picked as well. He can be another MCW but if he hit his absolute ceiling, he can be special as Young/Doncic.

Lavine and White are one of the worst players to run small ball so it even makes less sense to draft someone to complement them.
Deni and Hayes are basically system players that will play great in GSW, preferably a team one final piece away. Which is why you never see GS will pick Ball but get Deni. I wouldnt mind drafting both of the big man and ship out all the current bigs esp Carter who has caused this stereotype big man are useless. These guys are solid building blocks as starters you wont have to worry about big men for another decade. The sky is the limit esp if they are willing to adapt.

[weneeda2guard]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

Its not foolish you do it because we have had more than a sample size with lauri and there is not long term future with him here. I just dont get how anyone can conclude what these guys coming into this draft really is this wasnt a traditional circumstance for draft prospects. As the year went on these guys could have really blossomed and shined especially in tournament time. It is a gamble but its no unsure with lauri we know what we have with him. Maybe it doesn't work out but what if it does? I rather be in that scenario then continuing to hang on to lauri and handing him a big deal that he hasn't earned or watching him walk and we get nothing out of it.

And the reality is one of these guys could fall to us at 4 but why risk that? Put your destiny in your own hands. Getting 2 guarantees one of edwards or ball. As i posted before there is no telling when we will ever get an opportunity like this again being in a place a team wouldn't mind falling back to and a team at 2 who don't mind dealing. If cleveland got 2 this wouldn't be a discussion but the warriors are willing to deal. We have to jump on it and I'm not mad if AK moves up. If it don't work out at least we tried. I dam sure don't want to watch the warriors make a deal with another team and we watching edwards ball or wisemen looking like future all stars on the knicks or pistons.

[PlayerUp]

continuing to hang on to lauri and handing him a big deal that he hasn't earned or watching him walk and we get nothing out of it.

Won't be a big deal anymore. NBA contracts are going to heavily drop and teams won't have much money to spend over the next couple free agencies when the salary drops heavily which it's now expected to do due to COVID-19.

Salary cap could drop $30m per some reports. No teams will have cash to spend.

[Ugly Duckling]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

Not a better version, I think that's his absolute ceiling and it doesn't look like he's going to hit it. I can't comment on trading up yet because I haven't scouted the projected top 3 aside from Ball at all. He still has some value because there's gotta be at least one team that sees tantalizing upside, so now's the time to get rid of him. A young, solid backup piece and a future first rd pick should do the trick

[PlayerUp]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

Not a better version, I think that's his absolute ceiling and it doesn't look like he's going to hit it. I can't comment on trading up yet because I haven't scouted the projected top 3 aside from Ball at all. He still has some value because there's gotta be at least one team that sees tantalizing upside, so now's the time to get rid of him. A young, solid backup piece and a future first rd pick should do the trick

Well for me personally I'm fielding offers for Lavine and Lauri. I have no issue moving Lauri just not to move up 2 spots in this particular draft. You can get better value for him. I would be targeting future picks in the much more talented 2021 and especially 2022 drafts.

[PlayerUp]

The funny things is that as weak as this draft this is, Wiseman and Okongwu are the best prospects and have one of the highest ceilings being Howard/Russell, Dray with little bust since their floor are starters as in the mold of Capela.

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The draft isn't strong but there is no evidence to conclude this draft will end up bad either. It may wind up being very below average to average in the end.

[Leslie Forman]

Nah we keep Zach and Wendell. Zach goes hard in the gym, is athletic and can shoot (rare combo). Wendell is the perfect small ball C who doesn't need the ball and can do it all. Get Lauri the F outta here

They should all go.

Markkanen and Carter were basically the draft pick equivlent of the Tobias Harris and Al Horford signings.

[PlayerUp]

This is why predraft workouts are vitally important for this NBA Draft.

We didn't get the chance to see the NCAA season conclude. The entire draft could be in a different order right now had that happened. A delayed NBA draft would be beneficial to us so we can have time to workout all these prospects and see their improvements.

[SfBull]

Trade out
The kid from Maccabi is not even 1/50 of Doncic

I’m pretty sure he is. That would mean Doncic was 100 meters tall.

Let’s frame it a different way. He isn’t the most inspiring young basketball player in the world (luka). He’s a very young, versatile 6’9 baller who’s gained experience in two pro leagues, one where he was MVP, the other where he rode the pine. He can pass, Dribble, and has a really nice looking jumper from range. He has many flaws. Fortunately high compete traits aren’t one of them.

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

My guess: Deni will probably be a bull, and at some point we’ll probably be happy about it.

That's why I'd pick him , we'll get a potentially good player for the future in a weak draft.We don't have assets for contending now so we'll have to be patient developing these young players for 2 or more seasons.Going BPA ( getting Deni or another player )in this and next drafts can only help that strategy.

[Ugly Duckling]

Nah we keep Zach and Wendell. Zach goes hard in the gym, is athletic and can shoot (rare combo). Wendell is the perfect small ball C who doesn't need the ball and can do it all. Get Lauri the F outta here

They should all go.

Markkanen and Carter were basically the draft pick equivlent of the Tobias Harris and Al Horford signings.

WCJ was starting to pick it up after before going down. He has upside

[MrFortune3]

Happy birthday to Devin Vassel who turns 20 today

Wouldn't mind getting an extra 1st to grab him. Don't want him at #4 though.

[Ugly Duckling]

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

Not a better version, I think that's his absolute ceiling and it doesn't look like he's going to hit it. I can't comment on trading up yet because I haven't scouted the projected top 3 aside from Ball at all. He still has some value because there's gotta be at least one team that sees tantalizing upside, so now's the time to get rid of him. A young, solid backup piece and a future first rd pick should do the trick

Well for me personally I'm fielding offers for Lavine and Lauri. I have no issue moving Lauri just not to move up 2 spots in this particular draft. You can get better value for him. I would be targeting future picks in the much more talented 2021 and especially 2022 drafts.

Why Zach? You have a solid 2 guard at a decent price. He's still young, athletic, can shoot. Not too many guys like that. I feel like that's the position we don't have to worry about. Focus on getting rid of Lauri (OPJ's gonna be tough to move) and getting a PG and a wing

[SfBull]

I really like Devin Vassel too.

Watch on YouTube

[kodo]

This is why predraft workouts are vitally important for this NBA Draft.

We didn't get the chance to see the NCAA season conclude. The entire draft could be in a different order right now had that happened. A delayed NBA draft would be beneficial to us so we can have time to workout all these prospects and see their improvements.

Agreed.

The tourney is unusually irrelevant this year because LaMelo, Wiseman, Deni, Hayes would not have played anyway. Edwards is already cemented at the top 3. Toppin probably doesn't make it far.

AK has said he'll mainly be judging players by their live play in front of him and their personal interviews, so for Chicago who we pick will probably be mostly determined by their private workouts with us.

I'm 100% for this type of draft process so you don't end up with another Eddy Curry or Andrew Wiggins, gifted physical specimens but with no interest in basketball or competitive drive. Because this draft is weak, where these prospects are right now in ranking is far less important than their work ethic and drive to improve.

[SfBull]

Deni's scouting report

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[Jeffster81]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

I agree. Regardless of what you think of Lauri right now, he is still a solid asset and to use him to move up 2 spots in a weak draft is not smart. The Warriors would be the last team I'd want the Bulls to trade him to. You damn well know the moment he plays for them, he'll become the player we all thought he could be, while the Bulls rookie would still be trying to find his role on the team. Imagine how insufferable this board will become if the Bulls traded Lauri and he becomes a star for the other team, while the Bulls rookie fights for playing time.

I don't mind trading Lauri but the Warriors would be the last team I'd trade him to.

[PlayerUp]

I really like Devin Vassel too.

Watch on YouTube

Good late lottery prospect but at #4? Not good value.

[PlayerUp]

his ceiling went from Unicorn/Nowitzki to Ryan freakin' Anderson

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

I agree. Regardless of what you think of Lauri right now, he is still a solid asset and to use him to move up 2 spots in a weak draft is not smart. The Warriors would be the last team I'd want the Bulls to trade him to. You damn well know the moment he plays for them, he'll become the player we all thought he could be, while the Bulls rookie would still be trying to find his role on the team. Imagine how insufferable this board will become if the Bulls traded Lauri and he becomes a star for the other team, while the Bulls rookie fights for playing time.

I don't mind trading Lauri but the Warriors would be the last team I'd trade him to.

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.