Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[ProcessDoctor]

Trade 1: Harris + #36 + #49 for Paul

Trade 2: Horford + Richardson + Korkmaz for Gordon + Covington + House


Paul(32)/Milton(16)
Gordon(30)/House(18)
Covington(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Covington(10)/MLE(4)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Paul/Milton/Micic
Gordon/House/Smith
Covington/Thybulle/#34
Simmons/Scott/#21
Embiid/MLE/Pelle


We old AF now

[DT RAW]

1st trade: Josh Richardson and multiple 2nd round picks to Brooklyn for Spencer Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie is the on ball PnR dominant guard type we need that is affordable and realistic. Brooklyn is about to to have kyrie, KD, and Lavert as ball dominant players. They have no room for a 4th ball dominant guy. Jrich is a better defender and arguably better spot up 3 point shooter than Dinwiddie. Same contract numbers and length, this helps both teams.

2nd trade: Simmons and Horford for CJ Mcollum, Rodney Hood, Trevor Ariza, and Zach Collins

This lets us off the hook of horford's deal while adding another stud creating guard, a wing off the bench in hood who can get his own shot, and a really good expiring 3 and D player in ariza. We get a young injury prone collins who can play the backup 4 and 5.

Coaching Change: Hire Kenny Atkinson who installs his brooklyn system of non stop rim attacking through drives and kick outs.

Dinwiddie(33mpg)/CJ Mcollum(15mpg)
CJ Mcollum(18mpg)/Shake Milton(20mpg)/Thybulle(10mpg)
Ariza(24mpg)/Rodney Hood(24mpg)
Harris(33mpg)/Collins(10mpg)/Scott(5mpg)
Embiid(32mpg)/Collins(10mpg)/Pelle(6mpg)

Harris gets to run more PnR's with the new coach and system, and stays at PF making him more useful. We shed ourselves of horfords contract, we have ball handling, PnR, and shot creation and shot making everywhere on this roster. With the right defensive scheme and mindset we can play good enough defense to outscore teams with all the fire power we have.

[Kobblehead]

Can't we just stop after the Dinwiddie deal?

That return for Simmons is tough to swallow and it would decimate our playoff defense (even though it thoroughly enhances our playoff offense).

Only three trade chips I'm interesting in using are Richardson, Milton, and Korkmaz.

Using Richardson to get a shotcreater is appealing enough for me.

[DT RAW]

Can't we just stop after the Dinwiddie deal?

That return for Simmons is tough to swallow and it would decimate our playoff defense (even though it thoroughly enhances our playoff offense).

Only three trade chips I'm interesting in using are Richardson, Milton, and Korkmaz.

Using Richardson to get a shotcreater is appealing enough for me.

but it rids us of horford, and brings in depth and shooting

Ariza has 1 year left, takes over that perfect 3 and D spot, allows Thybulle to learn from him and take over the following year

Hood is a good bench piece who shoots well from 3 and would be our best bench player this year if we had him. Collins gives us versatile big similar to horford, but obviously with injury concerns.

I just view simmons way less than most here. CJ Mccollum on this team with embiid and other scorers like harris and dinwiddie is just a way better fitting team

the Defense excuse IMO is a bad one. We had all world defenders at every spot this year and still couldnt have a top 5 defense. Boston sported 3 below or far below average defenders in their starting 5 and yet were a top 5 defense.

Why is that? Because defense is ALL effort, scheme, and being in the right position. With the right coach, you can make the above team I proposed an average league defense while sporting possibly the best offense

[Kobblehead]

We had all world defenders at every spot this year and still couldnt have a top 5 defense.

What? We have two good non-C defenders (Simmons and Thybulle) and a bunch of sieves (Harris, Milton, Korkmaz, Scott, Burks, etc).

[DT RAW]

horford, jrich, simmons, embiid were all considered top tier defenders coming into this year.. with only harris not being a good one

look at boston.. heyard, theis, and kemba in their starting 5 and their defense is WAY better than ours

think about that

it is all scheme and effort

[Arsenal]

I am not sure Embiid and Simmons will be pleased with trades that make the team worse even if it is for future flexibility. Trading Harris for Batum will be a tough sell to them.

That's where it helps having a GM with some intelligence and communication skills. You have to sell them on it.O
Both of them are smart guys so it really wouldn't be that hard for someone competent to get them to understand the plan. That unfortunately rules out the current "brain trust" though.

Saying we are going to get worse for the next x years so that after that we have cap space is hard sell not only because they are gonna waste x years of their careers in their prime but also because the team had cap space just this summer and didnt do anything with it.

Besides a Batum for Harris trade doesnt open cap space . With the shrinking cap you would also need to trade Horford for shorter contracts to open up enough space for an impact player.

It's only a "hard sell" for people without the necessary skills for the job. If we get someone competent in here it's not that hard to sell it.

We could easily be in a situation where we can make another win now move by the trade deadline using Batum's contract as ballast.

[Kobblehead]

horford, jrich, simmons, embiid were all considered top tier defenders coming into this year.. with only harris not being a good one

Horford and Embiid are centers. They can't guard anyone on the ball.

Richardson was a decent team defender, at best, coming off an atrocious defensive year in Miami (that he carried over here).

Our only good established defender was Ben Simmons. And we got lucky with Thybulle. Everyone else in our rotation is a sieve on the perimeter.

[DT RAW]

horford, jrich, simmons, embiid were all considered top tier defenders coming into this year.. with only harris not being a good one

Horford and Embiid are centers. They can't guard anyone on the ball.

Richardson was a decent team defender, at best, coming off an atrocious defensive year in Miami (that he carried over here).

Our only good established defender was Ben Simmons. And we got lucky with Thybulle. Everyone else in our rotation is a sieve on the perimeter.

this is PATENTLY false. Going into this season, the talk was how the sixers were going to maybe struggle on offense but have an ELITE dominant defense.

saying otherwise is just not telling the truth. NOW, looking at our players NOW, it is different because brett brown couldnt serve up a good defense with the 5 best NBA defenders of all time on his team.

This team has WAY better defensive talent than boston, that is a fact. Yet our defense is incredibly worse than theirs.

You dont win championships with defense in todays NBA, you win it with offense and just enough defense down the stretch

[Kobblehead]

this is PATENTLY false. Going into this season, the talk was how the sixers were going to maybe struggle on offense but have an ELITE dominant defense.

Who was saying that? Dopes on local sports radio?

This team lost more perimeter defenders (McConnell, Butler, Ennis) than they added (Thybulle). Anyone who thought this team was going to be able to defend in the playoffs made a terrible prediction.

[DT RAW]

this is PATENTLY false. Going into this season, the talk was how the sixers were going to maybe struggle on offense but have an ELITE dominant defense.

Who was saying that? Dopes on local sports radio?

This team lost more perimeter defenders (McConnell, Butler, Ennis) than they added (Thybulle). Anyone who thought this team was going to be able to defend in the playoffs made a terrible prediction.

we are calling ennis a good perimeter defender now? People were angry at how he couldnt cover anyone while he was here. We are literally just changing the narrative based on time now.

Anyone who denies this team was billed as a defensive juggernaut coming into the year is just not being honest.

and again, are you really telling a boston team with kemba, heyward, and theis or kanter in their starting 5 is a better defensive team talent wise than ours? dont even try to say so. Yet their defense is way better

because again, defense has always been, and will always be, an effort thing and an IQ thing.

good team defense and rotations and positioning and effort will ALWAYS be more important than having 5 individually good, long, athletic players

and this team and boston prove that. our coach is horrendous for many reasons, and this is one of them

[Kobblehead]

Why would you base the team's defensive expectations on uninformed opinions?

We knew from the jump that we were starting two centers and Tobias Harris was going to be playing well over 30 minutes a night. So two huge defensive holes right there.

Then a shrewd person who paid attention to how bad Josh Richardson was defensively his final year in Miami could have probably forecasted how much of a sieve he was going to be with us.

And our bench guys were looking like Furkan Korkmaz (zero), Mike Scott (zero), Trey Burke (zero), Shake Milton (zero).

[DT RAW]

Why would you base the team's defensive expectations on uninformed opinions?

We knew from the jump that we were starting two centers and Tobias Harris was going to be playing well over 30 minutes a night. So two huge defensive holes right there.

Then a shrewd person who paid attention to how bad Josh Richardson was defensively his final year in Miami could have probably forecasted how much of a sieve he was going to be with us.

And our bench guys were looking like Furkan Korkmaz (zero), Mike Scott (zero), Trey Burke (zero), Shake Milton (zero).

but jrich was good as a defender his whole career. The only time it dipped was when he had to become the man on offense. Even then he was a good defender for us this year. Horford even at PF is a good defender. You are literally making things up now.

Tobias is not a top defender, but he isnt a JJ redick either. He is at best average and at worse slightly below.. However he is better than both heyward or kemba. Theis and kanter are not good defenders either

you continue to avoid why boston is such a good defensive team despite no defensive PF, no defensive Center, and no defensive PG

but we both know the answer, and it is scheme/coaching and effort. Just like defense has always been about and will continue to be about

[DT RAW]

in fact, even last year Jrich had a positive dbpm.. this year with us, with 2 other first team defensive caliber players on his team plus horford, he had his worst dbpm of his career

is it a coincidence it was under a joke of a head coach who not only has no idea how to run a PnR on offense, but has no **** clue how to defend one either?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Woah! Completely disagree what Ennis was/is a bad defender. Not true at all. In fact...We missed him this year big time.

[Kobblehead]

Woah! Completely disagree what Ennis was/is a bad defender. Not true at all. In fact...We missed him this year big time.

Defense is literally the only reason he's in the NBA out of Long Beach State.

[ProcessDoctor]

IND out: Turner, Lamb
IND in: Harris

NOP out: Holiday
NOP in: Turner, Richardson, Zhaire, #21

PHI out: Harris, Richardson, Zhaire, #21
PHI in: Holiday, Lamb

Follow-up Horford + Korkmaz + #34 + #36 for Hield


Holiday(34)/Milton(14)
Hield(32)/Lamb(10)/Milton(6)
Lamb(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Scott(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Holiday/Milton/Micic
Hield/Burks/#58
Lamb/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/#49
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

[davesilver]

IND out: Turner, Lamb
IND in: Harris

NOP out: Holiday
NOP in: Turner, Richardson, Zhaire, #21

PHI out: Harris, Richardson, Zhaire, #21
PHI in: Holiday, Lamb

Follow-up Horford + Korkmaz + #34 + #36 for Hield


Holiday(34)/Milton(14)
Hield(32)/Lamb(10)/Milton(6)
Lamb(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Scott(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


Holiday/Milton/Micic
Hield/Burks/#58
Lamb/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Scott/#49
Embiid/MLE/Pelle

I think this is on the right track. NOP - IND - PHI trade makes sense around these pieces. I think IND would want another asset attached to take the risk on Tobias’ contract. Feels like getting Lamb is too much for us here.

I think Lamb and Buddy would be redundant. I think Barnes is a realistic target for Al.

If we can get rid of Tobias, I’d actually like to keep Al as a backup for Joel. His contract deflates, and we only owe 14.5m that final year.

Regardless, Jrue is my #1 target this offseason, while holding onto Matisse Ben and Joel. Assuming 2-3 more years of great play from Jrue, that lineup could be special.

[DT RAW]

finding a way to get holiday and JJ back would be a blessing

[Howard Cosell]

This deal was created on Twolves board. Wondering how you all would feel about this deal...possible?...pure fantasy?

To 76ers:

2020 #1 pick overall
James Johnson - 16 mil (expiring)
Jarrett Culver - 6 mil (3 yrs)
Omari Spellman - 2 mil (2 yrs)
Jacob Evans - 2 mil (2 yrs)

To Twolves:

2020 #21 pick overall
Ben Simmons - 29 mil (5 yrs)


Is there any steam in Philadelphia having you guys in love with Edwards or Ball to the point where you would blow it up and make this deal with Twolves?

Edwards with Embiid..good fit?
Culver added for perimeter defense...good fit?

What say you?