2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[SfBull]

Deni

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[SfBull]

I really like Devin Vassel too.

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Good late lottery prospect but at #4? Not good value.

I wouldn't pick him with #4 ,only if getting a lower pick by trade.

[SfBull]

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

I agree. Regardless of what you think of Lauri right now, he is still a solid asset and to use him to move up 2 spots in a weak draft is not smart. The Warriors would be the last team I'd want the Bulls to trade him to. You damn well know the moment he plays for them, he'll become the player we all thought he could be, while the Bulls rookie would still be trying to find his role on the team. Imagine how insufferable this board will become if the Bulls traded Lauri and he becomes a star for the other team, while the Bulls rookie fights for playing time.

I don't mind trading Lauri but the Warriors would be the last team I'd trade him to.

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.

Agreed and using #2 for Wiseman, I wouldn't pick Deni that high.

[SfBull]

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[PlayerUp]

I wouldn't pick him with #4 ,only if getting a lower pick by trade.

Which we don't know what other teams would offer trading down. If the Knicks are willing to offer say #8 + Top 3 Protected 2021 Pick for #4 then you should do a deal like this.

[Jeffster81]

A better version of Ryan Anderson maybe better than any of the Top 3 Picks in this draft fyi. The draft at the top 3 spots is very weak. Trading Lauri to move up 2 spots is foolish. Trading Lauri for a future pick/assets + bad contract so we can part ways with him and look towards the future another story.

I agree. Regardless of what you think of Lauri right now, he is still a solid asset and to use him to move up 2 spots in a weak draft is not smart. The Warriors would be the last team I'd want the Bulls to trade him to. You damn well know the moment he plays for them, he'll become the player we all thought he could be, while the Bulls rookie would still be trying to find his role on the team. Imagine how insufferable this board will become if the Bulls traded Lauri and he becomes a star for the other team, while the Bulls rookie fights for playing time.

I don't mind trading Lauri but the Warriors would be the last team I'd trade him to.

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.

Not trading him to the Warriors, period.

[leo921]

Love both Avdija and Vassell and they would both fit amazing on the Bulls.

Avdija his shooting got even more consistent in the games after quarantine. That shows improvement and a willingness to train and get better. Can shoot, is a good secondary (def not primary like Luka) playmaker, can run a pick and roll and will swing the ball to the open man, and is a average to solid defender.

Vassell is a ball hawk who gets lots of steals and even some blocks. He shut down lots of drives in college. Amazing shooter(41% on 3s) very definition of 3 and D. Not a creator but will make the stars of team even better with his presence.

[Chi town]

Good read here and take on Deni and rest of prospects.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

[RastaBull]

I like Dani Adjiva but I have some major questions about his game. My major question with Toppin will be with NBA coaching can he be a better defender. It’s not a physical problem with Toppin it’s all about his technique and getting out of position. I saw a big improvement in Markannan from NBA Summer League to his rookie year just from NBA coaching and getting stronger. Of course he regressed his 3rd year though. But my major concern with Adjiva is his Shooting and defense. To be a good Small forward in the NBA you better be able to knockdown 3’s or you better be able to defend your ass off and be an Elite slasher. Deni free throw shooting gives me pause. Also will he have the ability to guard the Tatumns, Simmons,Browns, Leanords, Georges, of the NBA? Also How tall is he is closer to 6’7 or is he closer to 6’10. He looks around 6’9 to me which is good. But he still only 19 and have a lot of time to correct his weaknesses. Just don’t see him beating out Porter as a starter if the bulls draft him.

I think all of the guys available at 4 will have high enough ceilings. I agree spot on with your healthy skepticism on both of these, and what you really like about both of them. I think both Ball and Hayes are the other possible selections at 4 (I think Edwards and Wismann will both be gone). Deni and Toppin both have really exciting talents

I can envision Toppin becoming really dominate. Cleveland seems like a serendipitous landing spot for him imo (not just the Ohio thing, but that's nice). His game and athleticism I think meshes really well with those two young guards ... he'd naturally fit well next to Love offensively, but requires him to really work on his defense ... next to Drummond would cover his defensive flaws, but require him to expand his offense. Seems a good place for both his natural skillset and push his development. I don't think Chicago is the same for him; I like him and hope to see him become an exciting NBA player.

Deni could be a good fit in Chicago though. I have the exact same worries about him as you. We need a two-way wing that is capable of locking down/holding his own in 4th Quarter against top NBA wings. I'll trust the process though if AK drafts him (whether it's Deni's development or reshaping rest of team after). Regardless, this team needs someone to create for others. Our ball movement sucked for last two years; even Hoiberg's movement completely lacked any creativity. Deni seems to have excellent vision, and a knack for finding people at all spots in all circumstances.

With a new coach, potentially a first time head coach, I think we really need to give them a "point" to help them develop an offense. I actually love Lavine, I think most coaches would love to have such a bonafide scorer. But there needs to be other rolls filled and I think creation is up there as most important.

For that reason Deni and Hayes are my clear choices. (I respect that Ball could be very good option too, I feel more confident about Hayes personally).

Interested on you pros and cons with Hayes. I LOVE his size. His weight and length has proven to be a big tool in taking contact, getting FTs, finishing through contact (one of the pros over Ball). Limited tape I've seen he has really good handles (with his left), bit a herky-jerky kinda of game that I personally like (in lieu of athleticism). His vision seems to be at the very top of this draft (similar or better than Deni). What I love most of the analysis is he's regarded as having a great PnR potential. I feel like this guy isn't just in convo as a BPA individually; what he is also best at are the things that could really unlock the ceiling for our other young guys like WCJ and Lauri, and even Coby.

[PlayerUp]

Vassell is a ball hawk who gets lots of steals and even some blocks. He shut down lots of drives in college. Amazing shooter(41% on 3s) very definition of 3 and D. Not a creator but will make the stars of team even better with his presence.

Sounds like a standard pick between #8-#14. Good solid role player. Good for a team with a star which we don't have.

[R3AL1TY]

The context is already there. They played many teams and gave up too much points. Even if you factor in injuries, most top teams this season had their key guys in many games.

I really don't see your point. Top 5 defenses in the regular season (ranked by Defensive Rating, an actual useful stat):

Bucks (historically good)
Raptors
Lakers
Celtics
Clippers

In the playoffs (extremely small sample size), only the Clippers don't have a top 5 defense yet, which might be because they're playing the best offense in the league. Every other contender is still on that list. But yes, it's just some weird coincidence that all those teams have good to great defenses. It doesn't matter.

Just saying top 5 defense this season doesn't mean these teams are good from a historical perspective nor do they have a great disparity from some of the bad teams. These good teams are giving up many points like some of the bad teams. For instance, the Bulls gave up approximately 110 points on average like the Clippers and Houston gave up 114 points on average like the Cavs. Let's even go with the Bucks. They gave up 108 while Detroit gave up 110. Now, there are those bottom teams of the pack that are far worse around 115-119 per game, but in general, if teams are giving up 105+ points, that's not good defense to me. The top teams at least have great offense to counterbalance the many points they're giving up. And having superstars that averages many points and come through in the clutch are what separates them from the bad teams too to stay on top.

[Chi town]

Nah we keep Zach and Wendell. Zach goes hard in the gym, is athletic and can shoot (rare combo). Wendell is the perfect small ball C who doesn't need the ball and can do it all. Get Lauri the F outta here

They should all go.

Markkanen and Carter were basically the draft pick equivlent of the Tobias Harris and Al Horford signings.

What? I’m not big fans of either Lauri or Wendell mainly due to their fit in the modern NBA. However, show me the great players that were drafted after them? BTW we haven’t paid them anything. Harris and Horford are the worst overpays in the league right now and as mentioned above no one is getting paid for at least two more FAs w cap dipping big time.

[SfBull]

I wouldn't pick him with #4 ,only if getting a lower pick by trade.

Which we don't know what other teams would offer trading down. If the Knicks are willing to offer say #8 + Top 3 Protected 2021 Pick for #4 then you should do a deal like this.

No , I'd think about adding a lower ,mid rate pick by trade.Maybe it's possible to engineering something in a weak draft.I'd consider drafting Deni and Vassel to add depth for 2 and 3.

[SfBull]

I agree. Regardless of what you think of Lauri right now, he is still a solid asset and to use him to move up 2 spots in a weak draft is not smart. The Warriors would be the last team I'd want the Bulls to trade him to. You damn well know the moment he plays for them, he'll become the player we all thought he could be, while the Bulls rookie would still be trying to find his role on the team. Imagine how insufferable this board will become if the Bulls traded Lauri and he becomes a star for the other team, while the Bulls rookie fights for playing time.

I don't mind trading Lauri but the Warriors would be the last team I'd trade him to.

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.

Not trading him to the Warriors, period.

And why not?

[Chi town]

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.

Not trading him to the Warriors, period.

And why not?

Cuz the Dubs won’t want him!

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[MrSparkle]

GS would gladly take Lauri as a throw-in. They'd bump his stock fast. Defensively liability, but shooting is their thing.

[weneeda2guard]

Lauri would blossom with the warriors. He is not going to blossom here.

Warriors might even be considering a bigger deal to use with their 2nd pick like trading it for Joel embiid or another star. But if they are dealing we need to be in on it other teams will have good packages which is why I said the 4th lauri and a protected 1st next year is about the best package the warriors can get considering the position of our pick. I'm for going all in. We need a franchise corner stone.

[Chi town]

I wouldn't pick him with #4 ,only if getting a lower pick by trade.

Which we don't know what other teams would offer trading down. If the Knicks are willing to offer say #8 + Top 3 Protected 2021 Pick for #4 then you should do a deal like this.

No , I'd think about adding a lower ,mid rate pick by trade.Maybe it's possible to engineering something in a weak draft.I'd consider drafting Deni and Vassel to add depth for 2 and 3.

I’m thinking the same thing.

Lauri for 8 or 10? I’d prefer 10 and Cam Johnson.

[Chi town]

Which we don't know what other teams would offer trading down. If the Knicks are willing to offer say #8 + Top 3 Protected 2021 Pick for #4 then you should do a deal like this.

No , I'd think about adding a lower ,mid rate pick by trade.Maybe it's possible to engineering something in a weak draft.I'd consider drafting Deni and Vassel to add depth for 2 and 3.

I’m thinking the same thing.

Lauri for 8 or 10? I’d prefer 10 and Cam Johnson.

I’m also ok waiting on Lauri and seeing if we can pump his value and then sell at deadline.

Lauri would have to really show me something to believe he can fit with us in the future.

[Jeffster81]

Alternatively if we want to trade Lauri + maybe another piece for the #2, then that is something we should consider.

Not trading him to the Warriors, period.

And why not?

Because as soon as he puts on a Warriors uniform, he'll become the Tim Drake to Curry/Thompson's Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson. Once he plays well, they'll eventually use him to land a guy like Embiid. All the while the #2 pick will struggle for playing time in Chicago. Not interested in seeing that scenario play out.