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Re: Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART 

Post#421 » by Chi town » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:54 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:We were one committed tank away from like a 65% chance at Doncic.

But but but winning culture!


And we could have traded up and gotten him.

Kings would have traded with us.

Problem is GarPax would have selected Bagley anyway.
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Post#422 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:56 pm

Another thing, Paul George and the playoffs is becoming a thing. He hasnt had a great run since the Heat series.
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Post#423 » by TheGOATRises007 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:58 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Another thing, Paul George and the playoffs is becoming a thing. He hasnt had a great run since the Heat series.


Paul George had a TS% of 43 and a PER of 9.9 prior to game 3. Those numbers are probably further down now.

It's unreal just how bad he's been this series.
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Post#424 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 pm

Chi town wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:We were one committed tank away from like a 65% chance at Doncic.

But but but winning culture!


And we could have traded up and gotten him.

Kings would have traded with us.

Problem is GarPax would have selected Bagley anyway.


Even if the Bulls had the 3rd pick, it's likely they select Trae Young.

GarPax showed no interest in Doncic. Bagley/Young/JJJ were the rumors.
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Post#425 » by dumbell78 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Hey man at least we aren't Kings fans with Vlade Divac driving that bus. That is some all time crap right there.
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Post#426 » by MrSparkle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:06 pm

All logic says Clippers still win this series... and PG’s capable of rounding into a more helpful form.. but Kawhi’s got to be thinking about what life could’ve been like with Shai, Gallinari and a chest of FRPs.
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Post#427 » by Leslie Forman » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:09 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Another thing, Paul George and the playoffs is becoming a thing. He hasnt had a great run since the Heat series.

Eh, he was a helluva lot better than Westbrook just last year.

But this is partly why I don't understand why George has usually been considered better than Butler. Jimmy can handle the ball and make plays when he's not shooting well. George is really not that good a ballhandler and ends up having to just be a jumpshooter often, which leads to games like this where he's just a passenger.

kodo wrote:Nobody is complaining about how this one game is going to affect the aggregate stats of an entire season. They're complaining that bad officiating in one game has effectively ended a series, barring a comeback from 0-3.

Did you actually watch the game? Because I don't think you did.

The Pacers could not stop fouling the F out of them.
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Post#428 » by jc23 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:15 pm

MrSparkle wrote:All logic says Clippers still win this series... and PG’s capable of rounding into a more helpful form.. but Kawhi’s got to be thinking about what life could’ve been like with Shai, Gallinari and a chest of FRPs.


and staying in toronto.
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Post#429 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 pm

Toronto is so funny because they are like the anti team building blue print.

They have no real "stars" but they have like 8 players who are like clones of each other with various levels of talent. And none of them are lottery picks.

Lowry to FVV, Siakim to Serge to Boucher or Powell to OG to Davis. They basically all look and play the same lol
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Post#430 » by the ultimates » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:26 pm

Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george
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Post#431 » by Kurt Heimlich » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:29 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Toronto is so funny because they are like the anti team building blue print.

They have no real "stars" but they have like 8 players who are like clones of each other with various levels of talent. And none of them are lottery picks.

Lowry to FVV, Siakim to Serge to Boucher or Powell to OG to Davis. They basically all look and play the same lol


Masai is a real talent. He's a dream GM/President/whatever you want to call your top bball Ops guy. While he certainly hit a one in a million homerun on the Kawhi trade, he has still built and continued to churn a team that was clearly much deeper than just that one top 5 guy.

Getting a top 3ish BBall ops guy is basically the 2nd most important thing in basketball outside of getting a top 10 on the court talent.
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Post#432 » by dumbell78 » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:39 pm

the ultimates wrote:Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george


This is especially true come playoff time. There are moments especially when games are close and winding down where you simply need a bucket from your best guys. If its a mid range jumper or fadeaway from the baseline, so be it. There are times when you need some momentum starters, much like a stop on the defensive end.

As an example, you cant convince me that during those crucial times that swinging the ball to a PJ Tucker or House for a 3 is a better shot than Harden getting or manufacturing a bucket. Kawhi showed that late in today's game, its just Luka is ridiculous and they had no way of stopping the kid.
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Post#433 » by BullsFTW » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:24 am

Clippers should win that series, but Luka has shown he’s the future. The dude is once in a generation talent, and at this pace will go down as the best international player of all time. I envy the Mavs for having him. Like many posters here, we knew he was going to be special.
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Post#434 » by PaKii94 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:24 am

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the ultimates wrote:Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george


This is especially true come playoff time. There are moments especially when games are close and winding down where you simply need a bucket from your best guys. If its a mid range jumper or fadeaway from the baseline, so be it. There are times when you need some momentum starters, much like a stop on the defensive end.

As an example, you cant convince me that during those crucial times that swinging the ball to a PJ Tucker or House for a 3 is a better shot than Harden getting or manufacturing a bucket. Kawhi showed that late in today's game, its just Luka is ridiculous and they had no way of stopping the kid.


While I don't disagree, kawhi kicked it out to Morris for the 3 instead of forcing his shot this game
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Post#435 » by dice » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:34 am

dumbell78 wrote:
the ultimates wrote:Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george


This is especially true come playoff time. There are moments especially when games are close and winding down where you simply need a bucket from your best guys. If its a mid range jumper or fadeaway from the baseline, so be it. There are times when you need some momentum starters, much like a stop on the defensive end.

As an example, you cant convince me that during those crucial times that swinging the ball to a PJ Tucker or House for a 3 is a better shot than Harden getting or manufacturing a bucket. Kawhi showed that late in today's game, its just Luka is ridiculous and they had no way of stopping the kid.

are you saying that a basket from a star is more valuable than a basket from a non-star in a big situation? because michael jordan didn't think like that. kobe might have...to his team's detriment
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Post#436 » by dice » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:41 am

the ultimates wrote:Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george

no "analytics guy" would argue against getting to the line. that's always the best option. which is why settling for the mid-range is almost never a good strategy unless the clock is winding down. in a slump from the 3 point line or getting pushed off it? take it to the hole and finish, get fouled or create for others!
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Post#437 » by dice » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:49 am

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MrSparkle wrote:All logic says Clippers still win this series... and PG’s capable of rounding into a more helpful form.. but Kawhi’s got to be thinking about what life could’ve been like with Shai, Gallinari and a chest of FRPs.


and staying in toronto.

gambling by hollowing out depth and mortgaging the future in order to bring in multiple superstars can be a good strategy...but only if it puts you over the top. the heat going all in on lebron, wade and bosh made total sense...but bosh and lebron were 26 years old. they could anticipate multiple championships. not only is PG not in the same league as lebron james, but he's 29 and the deal didn't even make the clippers the favorites to win it all. of course, if kawhi insisted on it in order to secure his services, maybe they had to do it
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Post#438 » by Repeat 3-peat » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:17 am

Toronto's bench scored 100 points, a NBA record.
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Post#439 » by Chi town » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:33 am

MPJ coming off the bench. Malone going with defense early.
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Post#440 » by dumbell78 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am

dice wrote:
dumbell78 wrote:
the ultimates wrote:Looking at George's shots the last three games half, I repeat half have been from three-point attempts. George needs to get to the line and also look to get mid-range jumpers during this slump. Leonard didn't shoot well either this game but when he got cooking it started from the mid-range. I'll just sit back and watch for the analytics guys to come at me. https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4251/paul-george


This is especially true come playoff time. There are moments especially when games are close and winding down where you simply need a bucket from your best guys. If its a mid range jumper or fadeaway from the baseline, so be it. There are times when you need some momentum starters, much like a stop on the defensive end.

As an example, you cant convince me that during those crucial times that swinging the ball to a PJ Tucker or House for a 3 is a better shot than Harden getting or manufacturing a bucket. Kawhi showed that late in today's game, its just Luka is ridiculous and they had no way of stopping the kid.

are you saying that a basket from a star is more valuable than a basket from a non-star in a big situation? because michael jordan didn't think like that. kobe might have...to his team's detriment


I'm saying putting it in your main guy hands to make a play, most of the time its that guy trying to get the bucket. Just following normal swing around tactics to allow for the "analytical" play isnt ideal in my view.
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