Celtics exposed?

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Still very much in the air what kind of ending this book is going to have...

Please tell me it doesn't close with us finding out the (Jimmy) Butler killed someone...

Not Jimmy Butler... but definitely Wanabaker. I can just feel it.

[scottyno]

82% of this board thought the Brown extension was terrible and he sucked, whoops

I don’t think he’ll live up to his contract, but I don’t think he’ll be THAT far from doing so either. Hayward injury will give him and Tatum much needed reps.

Would teams offer him more or less than what he signed for a month ago if he were a free agent today? If the answer is more (which I think is very likely) then he's already living up to it, people hating on it were ignoring the market and the Cs cap situation and simply looking at a big number out of context.

[L3GEND4RY]

My predictions have nothing to do with what is happening. I stand by the Nets will finish higher and Boston will be a 5-10 seed. But my predictions dont change the facts, and im not some homer idiot who is going to analyze whats actually happening differently to meet my personal predictions or bias. if im wrong ill admit it, we'll see.

My big criticisms of Boston where their front court was going to be trash and they had no depth.

neither has been a problem and we have arleady seen brown and now heyward miss time and it not really effect them. maybe you arent able to seperate your predictions vs. your commentary on facts as the unfold, or cant conceed to anything... i dont have that issue

LOL nah, guy. You were willing to put $ on the Celtics finishing 8 or worse. Don’t give me that 5-10 BS. Quit trying to back-pedal and just own it.

[Marvel]

Tatum lays an egg - historically bad shooting 1-18. Hayward out with injury. Celtics still cruise past a pretty good Dallas team that gets MVP performance from the best young player in NBA. I think the Celtics are for real. Playoffs may be a different story without a top 10 player and a weak front court. But I think a Nash like Suns or Horford led Hawks regular season with 55-60 wins is actually possible.

Interesting definition of "cruising".

You do realize that the Mavs were actually leading the game with 5:44 left in the 4th? With KP laying an egg as big as Tatums? That it took a 70 seconds span of Kemba hitting three contested threes in a row while the Mavs had a layup and FT rolling out of the rim and that this sucked the life out of the Mavs for the rest of the game.

the Celtics actually dodged a major bullet that the Mavs bricked like a dozen of wide open 3s in the first half alone. Because for the entire game they couldnt stop Luka from breaking down the defense and create open 3s.

Both teams are shooting around 35% from deep this season. Mavs shot 11-42 (26% despite all the open looks), Celtics shot 15-35 (43%). There you have your point differential...

I was somewhat unimpressed by the Celtics because i expected them better. Yes, first game without Hayward but the Mavs also played their 4th in six days. Tatum and KP cancelled each other out in epic fashion but like i said the Celtics couldnt stop Luka all game long from creating the 3s for the teammates. And if the Mavs hit them like they normally do the Mavs win...

You do realize KP is as soft as wet tissue paper and the reason why he sucked is because we had our defensive stalwart Smart on him right? That is a joke and embarrassing. Tatum just missed a lot of makeable shots not because he got locked down by a guy half his size lmao. Fact is your role players didn't hit their 3s. Another fact is we beat you without Hayward who could've given us 20 points while also creating 3s for teammates. See how that works?

[LBC SoCal]

They deserve credit, they have done better than what most of us would have expected, even though we are still early in the season.

[Prokorov]

My predictions have nothing to do with what is happening. I stand by the Nets will finish higher and Boston will be a 5-10 seed. But my predictions dont change the facts, and im not some homer idiot who is going to analyze whats actually happening differently to meet my personal predictions or bias. if im wrong ill admit it, we'll see.

My big criticisms of Boston where their front court was going to be trash and they had no depth.

neither has been a problem and we have arleady seen brown and now heyward miss time and it not really effect them. maybe you arent able to seperate your predictions vs. your commentary on facts as the unfold, or cant conceed to anything... i dont have that issue

LOL nah, guy. You were willing to put $ on the Celtics finishing 8 or worse. Don’t give me that 5-10 BS. Quit trying to back-pedal and just own it.

who isnt "owning" it?

I didnt "say" id put money on it, I did, with it being that boston would finish 5 or lower. I did 100% say id bet they finish 8th or worse, i got a better bet. in either event, i never denied saying i thought they would be an 8th seed or worse, or backpeddle on that at all.

I acknowledge that early on my 2 concerns for them havent been an issue at all. Why exactly is this a bad thing? Is it not ok to admit when you are wrong about something or at least wrong about something short term?

it seems like you are just looking for some dolt to just saying "nah da celticz suck yo" so that you can post memes and make fun of them. I'm not that person. I've never been. I've consistently admitted when i was wrong here about oth the nets and other teams/players. im not going to conceed anything after 10 games. i still think boston is a bottom of the east team over the season and the nets will finish much higher.

If im wrong ill be here and eat crow as i always do (See: 180 i did on jokic, the 180 i did on orlando, the 180 i did on siakim)

[GrandTheftRondo]

My predictions have nothing to do with what is happening. I stand by the Nets will finish higher and Boston will be a 5-10 seed. But my predictions dont change the facts, and im not some homer idiot who is going to analyze whats actually happening differently to meet my personal predictions or bias. if im wrong ill admit it, we'll see.

My big criticisms of Boston where their front court was going to be trash and they had no depth.

neither has been a problem and we have arleady seen brown and now heyward miss time and it not really effect them. maybe you arent able to seperate your predictions vs. your commentary on facts as the unfold, or cant conceed to anything... i dont have that issue

LOL nah, guy. You were willing to put $ on the Celtics finishing 8 or worse. Don’t give me that 5-10 BS. Quit trying to back-pedal and just own it.

who isnt "owning" it?

I didnt "say" id put money on it, I did, with it being that boston would finish 5 or lower. I did 100% say id bet they finish 8th or worse, i got a better bet. in either event, i never denied saying i thought they would be an 8th seed or worse, or backpeddle on that at all.

I acknowledge that early on my 2 concerns for them havent been an issue at all. Why exactly is this a bad thing? Is it not ok to admit when you are wrong about something or at least wrong about something short term?

it seems like you are just looking for some dolt to just saying "nah da celticz suck yo" so that you can post memes and make fun of them. I'm not that person. I've never been. I've consistently admitted when i was wrong here about oth the nets and other teams/players. im not going to conceed anything after 10 games. i still think boston is a bottom of the east team over the season and the nets will finish much higher.

If im wrong ill be here and eat crow as i always do (See: 180 i did on jokic, the 180 i did on orlando, the 180 i did on siakim)

What’s it like being an embarrassment?

[Swish1906]

Tatum lays an egg - historically bad shooting 1-18. Hayward out with injury. Celtics still cruise past a pretty good Dallas team that gets MVP performance from the best young player in NBA. I think the Celtics are for real. Playoffs may be a different story without a top 10 player and a weak front court. But I think a Nash like Suns or Horford led Hawks regular season with 55-60 wins is actually possible.

Interesting definition of "cruising".

You do realize that the Mavs were actually leading the game with 5:44 left in the 4th? With KP laying an egg as big as Tatums? That it took a 70 seconds span of Kemba hitting three contested threes in a row while the Mavs had a layup and FT rolling out of the rim and that this sucked the life out of the Mavs for the rest of the game.

the Celtics actually dodged a major bullet that the Mavs bricked like a dozen of wide open 3s in the first half alone. Because for the entire game they couldnt stop Luka from breaking down the defense and create open 3s.

Both teams are shooting around 35% from deep this season. Mavs shot 11-42 (26% despite all the open looks), Celtics shot 15-35 (43%). There you have your point differential...

I was somewhat unimpressed by the Celtics because i expected them better. Yes, first game without Hayward but the Mavs also played their 4th in six days. Tatum and KP cancelled each other out in epic fashion but like i said the Celtics couldnt stop Luka all game long from creating the 3s for the teammates. And if the Mavs hit them like they normally do the Mavs win...

You do realize KP is as soft as wet tissue paper and the reason why he sucked is because we had our defensive stalwart Smart on him right? That is a joke and embarrassing. Tatum just missed a lot of makeable shots not because he got locked down by a guy half his size lmao. Fact is your role players didn't hit their 3s. Another fact is we beat you without Hayward who could've given us 20 points while also creating 3s for teammates. See how that works?

Na, not wasting time with you.

[Darth Celtic]

My predictions have nothing to do with what is happening. I stand by the Nets will finish higher and Boston will be a 5-10 seed. But my predictions dont change the facts, and im not some homer idiot who is going to analyze whats actually happening differently to meet my personal predictions or bias. if im wrong ill admit it, we'll see.

My big criticisms of Boston where their front court was going to be trash and they had no depth.

neither has been a problem and we have arleady seen brown and now heyward miss time and it not really effect them. maybe you arent able to seperate your predictions vs. your commentary on facts as the unfold, or cant conceed to anything... i dont have that issue

LOL nah, guy. You were willing to put $ on the Celtics finishing 8 or worse. Don’t give me that 5-10 BS. Quit trying to back-pedal and just own it.

who isnt "owning" it?

I didnt "say" id put money on it, I did, with it being that boston would finish 5 or lower. I did 100% say id bet they finish 8th or worse, i got a better bet. in either event, i never denied saying i thought they would be an 8th seed or worse, or backpeddle on that at all.

I acknowledge that early on my 2 concerns for them havent been an issue at all. Why exactly is this a bad thing? Is it not ok to admit when you are wrong about something or at least wrong about something short term?

it seems like you are just looking for some dolt to just saying "nah da celticz suck yo" so that you can post memes and make fun of them. I'm not that person. I've never been. I've consistently admitted when i was wrong here about oth the nets and other teams/players. im not going to conceed anything after 10 games. i still think boston is a bottom of the east team over the season and the nets will finish much higher.

If im wrong ill be here and eat crow as i always do (See: 180 i did on jokic, the 180 i did on orlando, the 180 i did on siakim)

So, what have you not learned? You did a 180 on jokic, 180 on orlando, and 180 on siakim. Maybe you should take a deep introspection and realize your knowledge and opinion on basketball just isn't that good and maybe you should lay off 100% ironclad statements about players and teams on the internet. You'll be happier in life I think.

[Marvel]

Interesting definition of "cruising".

You do realize that the Mavs were actually leading the game with 5:44 left in the 4th? With KP laying an egg as big as Tatums? That it took a 70 seconds span of Kemba hitting three contested threes in a row while the Mavs had a layup and FT rolling out of the rim and that this sucked the life out of the Mavs for the rest of the game.

the Celtics actually dodged a major bullet that the Mavs bricked like a dozen of wide open 3s in the first half alone. Because for the entire game they couldnt stop Luka from breaking down the defense and create open 3s.

Both teams are shooting around 35% from deep this season. Mavs shot 11-42 (26% despite all the open looks), Celtics shot 15-35 (43%). There you have your point differential...

I was somewhat unimpressed by the Celtics because i expected them better. Yes, first game without Hayward but the Mavs also played their 4th in six days. Tatum and KP cancelled each other out in epic fashion but like i said the Celtics couldnt stop Luka all game long from creating the 3s for the teammates. And if the Mavs hit them like they normally do the Mavs win...

You do realize KP is as soft as wet tissue paper and the reason why he sucked is because we had our defensive stalwart Smart on him right? That is a joke and embarrassing. Tatum just missed a lot of makeable shots not because he got locked down by a guy half his size lmao. Fact is your role players didn't hit their 3s. Another fact is we beat you without Hayward who could've given us 20 points while also creating 3s for teammates. See how that works?

Na, not wasting time with you.

After another L to the trash Knicks i wouldn't either but lemme guess the Knicks got lucky your 3 point shooters weren't hitting their shots? lmfao

[Tai]

My predictions have nothing to do with what is happening. I stand by the Nets will finish higher and Boston will be a 5-10 seed. But my predictions dont change the facts, and im not some homer idiot who is going to analyze whats actually happening differently to meet my personal predictions or bias. if im wrong ill admit it, we'll see.

My big criticisms of Boston where their front court was going to be trash and they had no depth.

neither has been a problem and we have arleady seen brown and now heyward miss time and it not really effect them. maybe you arent able to seperate your predictions vs. your commentary on facts as the unfold, or cant conceed to anything... i dont have that issue

LOL nah, guy. You were willing to put $ on the Celtics finishing 8 or worse. Don’t give me that 5-10 BS. Quit trying to back-pedal and just own it.

who isnt "owning" it?

I didnt "say" id put money on it, I did, with it being that boston would finish 5 or lower. I did 100% say id bet they finish 8th or worse, i got a better bet. in either event, i never denied saying i thought they would be an 8th seed or worse, or backpeddle on that at all.

I acknowledge that early on my 2 concerns for them havent been an issue at all. Why exactly is this a bad thing? Is it not ok to admit when you are wrong about something or at least wrong about something short term?

it seems like you are just looking for some dolt to just saying"nah da celticz suck yo" so that you can post memes and make fun of them. I'm not that person. I've never been. I've consistently admitted when i was wrong here about oth the nets and other teams/players. im not going to conceed anything after 10 games. i still think boston is a bottom of the east team over the season and the nets will finish much higher.

If im wrong ill be here and eat crow as i always do (See: 180 i did on jokic, the 180 i did on orlando, the 180 i did on siakim)

So wait a minute, what do you call a "bottom of the EAST" team if not sucky? Are you saying the Celtics will suck, or not?

[robbie84]

This aged well.

What are OP's thoughts on the C's now?

[KIRAG]

Celtics exposed

Spoiler:

the sixers

[Dr Aki]

The East 5-8 seeds just confirmed themselves as practical first round byes still

[scottyno]

Hey the celtics only made the playoffs by 28 games, so the OP was right, they almost didn't make the playoffs.

And the terrible interior defense was massively exposed to the tune of them being the 4th best defense in the league

[Braggins]

Excellent coach. High talent level. Balanced roster that can attack you with multiple different guys on offense. Fantastic defense. Lots of low maintenance players with a winning mentality. They aren't the best team in the league and aren't the favorite to win the East, but they are not far at all behind the best of the best teams and are a dark horse to beat pretty much anyone. Losing Hayward will probably hurt them once they get deeper in the playoffs, so this might not be their year, but they are a really good team.

[LAKESHOW]

Why? Why were the Nets and Philly invited to the bubble

[Saint Lazarus]

I got second hand embarrassment reading the thread. Honestly it doesn’t matter though, the same posters in the first few pages never learn and they’ll come back again sooner or later with some more hot takes.

[Mr Puddles]

I know that the Mods are going to lock thread but I really wish they didn't. Some of the takes here are obvious troll attempts and it would be nice if people could be held accountable for doing so.

It's a bit contradictory to allow posters to troll franchises when the chips are down - but asking said trolls to justify previous statements when clearly proven wrong is deemed as breaking the rules.

[Saint Lazarus]

I'm not sure he was trying to rebuild and contend, Stevens just had them overachieving for 2-3 years while they were rebuilding and suddenly they were unexpectedly in the EC finals. He had Zeller/Sullinger starting at the big spots while winning 48 games one season and they're both out of the league right now. And who expected Isiah Thomas to become an efficient, 25 ppg all-star when Ainge got him?

The Hayward injury was obviously crippling to the team, he was a top 20 player before that and Kyrie becoming a complete distraction and his bolting in the off-season was completely unexpected as recently as January.

Sometimes the direction and the plan can actually be very good but it still doesn't turn out as well as expected.

The fact is Ainge was presented multiple opportunities to acquire players that would put the Celtics closer to title contention. (Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmy Butler, maybe Anthony Davis) He turned them down to hoard his prospects. The Hayward move wasn't a great fit even if he was healthy because of the makeup of the roster. Have to think that this is a little bit of karma coming back to the Celtics for ditching someone who played with pure passion, leadership, and desire to win above all else.

That was primarily about timing regarding Butler and George, any trade made while they were available would have cost the team major assets and it would have used up their future cap space. Hayward was signed without giving up assets, just using cap space and it went simultaneously with trading for Irving. If you don't time things perfectly you lose out on subsequent moves and that would have been the case here. Ainge waited until the 2017 off season on purpose.

Plus considering that both Butler has played for 3 other teams since that trade opportunity was there, that looks like an excellent decision and he had the same intel that everyone else had on George and Kawhi, that they both wanted to head to LA as free-agents and that's where they have both ended up.

All I'm saying here is that Ainge could have made one or more of the moves that you're pointing out here and still ended up being criticized for making the wrong moves today. Personally, I think he made a mistake not trading for Kawhi last season. He easily could have made that deal and the Celtics probably win the championship. But if they don't and Kawhi bolts to the Clippers, the criticism would be even worse right now.

Yo shoutout you man. Every other non-Celtics fan looking clownish here except you.