What is Jayson Tatum's ceiling?

MagicBagley18 · Post #641 » by **MagicBagley18** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:09 pm

reload141 wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:MVP conversation from here on out, the kid has it all. Ainge killed this pick

MVP convo but Luka's MVP to lose

It’s Lukas league for the next 15 years

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

MagicBagley18 wrote:
reload141 wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:MVP conversation from here on out, the kid has it all. Ainge killed this pick

MVP convo but Luka's MVP to lose

It’s Lukas league for the next 15 years

Hopefully the kid holds up physically, always seems to be dinged up.

Then again he played today with a bum ankle

amory87 · Post #643 » by **amory87** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:26 pm

Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Post #644 » by **Feed Your Head** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:34 pm

amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Tatum has top 3 player in the league potential.

Luka has GOAT potential. Both players will be amazing, but yeah Luka just has more upside than anyone I’ve seen, Lebron included.

amory87 · Post #645 » by **amory87** » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:58 pm

The Comedian wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Tatum has top 3 player in the league potential.

Luka has GOAT potential. Both players will be amazing, but yeah Luka just has more upside than anyone I’ve seen, Lebron included.

I'd estimate more like top 10 potential for Tatum, with top 5 being optimistic. It's possible he could be top 3 but I don't expect it.

Luka legit has goat potential. He's probably top 5 today.

Post #646 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:01 am

amory87 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Tatum has top 3 player in the league potential.

Luka has GOAT potential. Both players will be amazing, but yeah Luka just has more upside than anyone I’ve seen, Lebron included.

I'd estimate more like top 10 potential for Tatum, with top 5 being optimistic. It's possible he could be top 3 but I don't expect it.

Luka legit has goat potential. He's probably top 5 today.

Top 10 potential? I think many would agree that Tatum is probably top 10 right now lol, or at least right there. Most unbiased non Celtics fans fans and media people have him in that top 10-12 area as well. And he’s 22 himself.

amory87 · Post #647 » by **amory87** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:11 am

The Comedian wrote:
amory87 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
Tatum has top 3 player in the league potential.

Luka has GOAT potential. Both players will be amazing, but yeah Luka just has more upside than anyone I’ve seen, Lebron included.

I'd estimate more like top 10 potential for Tatum, with top 5 being optimistic. It's possible he could be top 3 but I don't expect it.

Luka legit has goat potential. He's probably top 5 today.

Top 10 potential? I think many would agree that Tatum is probably top 10 right now lol, or at least right there. Most unbiased non Celtics fans fans and media people have him in that top 10-12 area as well. And he’s 22 himself.

Yeah I mean, that's right where I think he'll stay. I think he's a top 10 player and he'll be a top 10 player.

Top 5 you're talking about Giannis, Curry, Harden, Luka, LeBron, Durant, Westbrook level. It's possible Tatum gets there, idk that he will

Jaqua92 · Post #648 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:42 am

amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Someone the other day in here said Tatum is the more well rounded player.

Anyone who thinks that needs to take off the green glasses. Tatum will be a perinnial top 10 player, MVP Calibur in his peak, probably. Luka, I mean, besides defend, does Tatum anything better than that kid? Shoots better. But my God Luka is unreal.

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BostonCouchGM · Post #649 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:12 am

amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.

Luka shoots 31% from three. Luka is just about the worst defender in the league. Luka was 4th in the league in turnovers. Tatum is a better overall player. If they didn't allow Luka to get switches off moving screens, carry, travel, and push off, he couldn't stay on the floor. The NBA wants offense so it's going to give you offense even if it has to break the rules. And if all else fails, they'll send their WonderBoy to the FT line a dozen times. I can count on one hand the amount of possession each game that Luka doesn't do something illegal. It's the same with all high usage PGs but at least with the others, they can get some separation without breaking the rules.

BostonCouchGM · Post #650 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:14 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.
Someone the other day in here said Tatum is the more well rounded player.

Anyone who thinks that needs to take off the green glasses. Tatum will be a perinnial top 10 player, MVP Calibur in his peak, probably. Luka, I mean, besides defend, does Tatum anything better than that kid? Shoots better. But my God Luka is unreal.

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yeah besides half the game lmao. Besides the most important thing on offense like shooting lmao. Tatum doesn't pad his stats as well, that's for sure

Post #651 » by **ParticleMan** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:43 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.
Someone the other day in here said Tatum is the more well rounded player.

Anyone who thinks that needs to take off the green glasses. Tatum will be a perinnial top 10 player, MVP Calibur in his peak, probably. Luka, I mean, besides defend, does Tatum anything better than that kid? Shoots better. But my God Luka is unreal.

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right. so other than shooting and defending, tatum does nothing better than luka.

i'd be hesitant to trade tatum for luka straight up. i probably would still but it's not as much of a slam dunk as people say. with luka you are going to have to construct a very particular team around him to hide his defense, and ensure he is by far the highest usage guy. and then plan on winning a lot of 130-122 games. it's not just about who is the better player, it's about constructing a championship team.

Scarletfire81 · Post #652 » by **Scarletfire81** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:59 am

Tatum needs to finish better at the rim and pass better. If he can do those two things he can be one of the best players in league. Luka will never be the defender Tatum is but Luka will be the better overall offensive player. Both will be great, hopefully we have a Celtics/ Mavs finals at some point.

24istheLAW · Post #653 » by **24istheLAW** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:05 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.
Someone the other day in here said Tatum is the more well rounded player.

Anyone who thinks that needs to take off the green glasses. Tatum will be a perinnial top 10 player, MVP Calibur in his peak, probably. Luka, I mean, besides defend, does Tatum anything better than that kid? Shoots better. But my God Luka is unreal.

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right. so other than shooting and defending, tatum does nothing better than luka.

i'd be hesitant to trade tatum for luka straight up. i probably would still but it's not as much of a slam dunk as people say. with luka you are going to have to construct a very particular team around him to hide his defense, and ensure he is by far the highest usage guy. and then plan on winning a lot of 130-122 games. it's not just about who is the better player, it's about constructing a championship team.

Luka can learn to shoot better, and he can improve his defensive positioning/awareness.

Tatum is awesome. But I don't see what you describe (Tatum having a smoother fit with other players) as being something that makes Tatum more valuable and Luka less valuable. Because the value of Tatum being able to play with other players... is that you can pair him with a Luka.

FelixD · Post #654 » by **FelixD** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:19 pm

Some of you are so homerish. Its fine to recognize some players being better than ours.

Tatum is by far the second best young player but dont be delusional to thinking he is close to Doncic, he is not.

PierceFan4ever · Post #655 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:54 pm

Y’all are obsessed with Luka..

I mean yeah he’s a generational talent and has potential to be one of the best ever. For JT, I have zero complaints about what he’s done and how he’s progressed this season. It’s because of him I feel like we have a chance against anybody. He’s amazing on both ends. He is capable of being the best player against anybody in a series imo.

I just can’t wait to see more of the kid moving forward. He has noticeable flaws that could significantly raise his ceiling such as drawing fouls, attacking the basket better, gaining strength, and becoming a better passer. If he checks those boxes within the next 5 years or so then we got one hell of a player.

chrisab123 · Post #656 » by **chrisab123** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:03 pm

Yeah, Tatum is probably 9-10 right now. I'd put him over Embiid. But Luka is top 5 today.

zoyathedestroya · Post #657 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:09 pm

Read on Twitter

Sixers tried different looks. Single-coverage, Richardson seemed to have most success against him but then we adjusted and he eventually figured it out.

Raptors wings and their defense as a whole will be a tougher matchup. Nurse is also more creative than Brown in terms of schemes. They can change their coverage possession-to-possession and not miss a beat.

Not that the regular season should matter much, but it's interesting that Tatum's three lowest scoring output and FG% against East opponents were vs. the Bucks, Raptors, and the Sixers. He raised his average against the Sixers by a full 8 points per game and shot the ball well. Let's see how he does against Toronto.

PierceFan4ever · Post #658 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:10 pm

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/

Guess who is ranked #1 so far in the playoffs

8-)

themoneyteam2 · Post #659 » by **themoneyteam2** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:41 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/

Guess who is ranked #1 so far in the playoffs

I mean Jeff Green is #2 lol. Not much to take away from this list

themoneyteam2 · Post #660 » by **themoneyteam2** » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:46 pm

ParticleMan wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:
amory87 wrote:Lol I was wondering if I'd see this thread bumped

I love Tatum but he's not in the same stratosphere as Luka.
Someone the other day in here said Tatum is the more well rounded player.

Anyone who thinks that needs to take off the green glasses. Tatum will be a perinnial top 10 player, MVP Calibur in his peak, probably. Luka, I mean, besides defend, does Tatum anything better than that kid? Shoots better. But my God Luka is unreal.

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right. so other than shooting and defending, tatum does nothing better than luka.

i'd be hesitant to trade tatum for luka straight up. i probably would still but it's not as much of a slam dunk as people say. with luka you are going to have to construct a very particular team around him to hide his defense, and ensure he is by far the highest usage guy. and then plan on winning a lot of 130-122 games. it's not just about who is the better player, it's about constructing a championship team.

Sure, Tatum is a better defender and shooter. That's it though. Luka is a better rebounder and his passing/playmaking is in a different stratosphere than Tatum. Both are great players.

Luka is objectively better than Tatum lol it's ok to admit. I think both are #1 and #2 among the young stars in the league.