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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1221 » by Saberestar » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:46 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:With they way they nearly nailed some draft rankings in the last couple of years I would truly consider whoever is available at #10 and is well considered by The Stepien. Obviously they are not perfect, but they have a good eye.

They have right now on their Tier 1 four prospects:

Anthony Edwards
Lamelo Ball
Cole Anthony
Tyrese Maxey

I expect Edwads and Ball gone, but we can grab probably Cole Anthony or Maxey.

Both are 20 years old and scoring PGs who can help us a lot coming from the bench next season and they probably end up being the best players out of this "open" draft.


Those are their preseason rankings and Cole Zwicker is no longer there (creator) along with many (if not all) of the guys who contributed to their first rankings. Their writers have really kind of switched out. I am not sure the quality is what it once was. They never update their rankings.

Those rankings are WAY out of date though.

Ok, I did not know that it is not updated.

We will see if they make some changes in their rankings in the next few weeks. Hopefully.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1222 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:39 pm

bhawk wrote:Love the Stepien site and they nailed Brandon Clarke. I don't know what is up with their rankings... they literally say Riller is lottery material, post all of this crazy praise, and then they don't rank him! Even worse they rank Cole "not special" Anthony, Nico and Theo Maledon among other guards. Maybe they will update their rankings? I don't know. It could be that since Riller played in poor conference and played against poor competition, that they don't rank him as high? I will say though that the tape and praise looks legit.

GOK - Riller looks special - Right? Maybe not Doncic special, but I can certainly see the Lilliard comp. I also saw a Deron Williams comp but tough to remember Deron for me.


This is very accurate! And exactly the predominant reason that Riller does not get the top tier recognition that he would otherwise be getting.
However, why Riller isn’t projected as highly as he should be isn’t surprising. As a player, he combines two characteristics that NBA executives do not care for when evaluating prospects: he’s an older four-year player (not counting his redshirt season), and he played for a mid-major in a conference that most casual basketball fans have never heard before


Make no mistake, Riller is definitely legit! And ABSOLUTELY IS SPECIAL with elite level potential. :wink:

Lillard comp
- He's got ELITE burst, penetration, Really advanced handling abilities, And is super efficient and nearly unstoppable at scoring at the rim . Also his propensity to hit Big Shots and make Big game winning plays.

** In the above video, You see Dames' elite burst, Big shotmaking, unstoppable penetration, Sneaky athleticism ( dunking in traffic) Riller does the same things!
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Shot Creation and finishing



Deron Williams comp
Much like Deron Williams, Riller is a very smart/ high IQ guard, That is very strong, Has ELITE ball handling skills that allow him to easily break down the opposing defenses, Get to the rim at will, And his Elite burst and solid strength allows him to get pretty much anywhere on the court he wants. Also in that he's very crafty with his dribble, and how he craftily uses his elite ballhandling skills and high IQ to manipulate the opposing defenses.

*** Here you see the very similar advanced ballhandling/ crossovers that Riller also uses to get separation on his shots or to any spots on the court.
Off the dribble


Fred Van Vleet comp and CJ McCollum comp are two other comps that he often gets too. For the Fred Van Vleet comp, It's due to his high basketball IQ, His elite craftiness in scoring and playmaking at/ around the rim, Also in his poise, His big shot making ability, and his consistency in making big plays, Both offensively and defensively that impact the outcome of the game.

Rillers' Passing
As it shows here, Riller can be an underrated passer/ playmaker.


Defensive potential
As you can see, He has quick hands and good speed/ athleticism to get steals and deflections.

And for the CJ McCollum comp, It's primarily due to his being a very potent natural scorer, With an advanced ballhandling skillset, and the solid strength and athleticism to be a passable to maybe even plus defender IF he locks in! :wink: The point is, Riller is easily one of the most mature, COMPLETE, NBA ready guards in the entire draft. He's skillset and abilities are quite elite in a few areas, And He's widely considered the most potent ISo scorer in the entire draft class. The only reason he's so severely overlooked and not already ranked as a top 10 lotto prospect, Is that he played at a small unknown school lacking any tangible national recognition. But the skills and elite attributes are definitely there, And the seemingly outlandish comps are in reality, Not really that far off. Riller is that guy that teams pass on due to his being a relative unknown " under the radar prospect. And one that most every team that passed on him will deeply regret for years to come. And they'll all question how they could've missed the signs?
Big Shot making
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Similar to all those teams that passed on Lillard, McCollum, Even Van Vleet. Basically what makes him very special is his combination of many elite skills that make the game ultra easy for him to dominate. He's absolutely without question a lottery pick! And should be our number one guard target in a trade back scenario. Heck, I'd even strongly consider him at 10, rather than risk him not being available later. :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1223 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote: Make no mistake, Riller is definitely legit! And ABSOLUTELY IS SPECIAL with elite level potential. :wink:


Damn, set me straight! Good job, killer.

I like the McCollum comp. Maybe the Sixers do, too. :P
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Post#1224 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:24 am

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote: Make no mistake, Riller is definitely legit! And ABSOLUTELY IS SPECIAL with elite level potential. :wink:


Damn, set me straight! Good job, killer.

I like the McCollum comp. Maybe the Sixers do, too. :P


Lol! :lol:
C'mon man, It's not really like that! You're awesome at draft Analysis for sure. And I hold your opinions in the highest regard! :wink:

Honestly, I'm just answering BHawks questions about whether or not he could really have that " It" factor. And be a special player in the league. And admittedly, I'm pretty bullish on Riller from the various reports that I've come across. I just really like how very solid, efficient and poised he is.

I like the McCollum comp. Maybe the Sixers do, too.

He's been mentioned a few times as a prime interest prospect for them at 21. Although many are split between Riller and Terry for his elite shooting. I honestly really hope that he somehow stays under the radar, So we can take Vassell or a big at 10, And then buy a mid first for him, Making him a great value pick! But I'd absolutely hate it if a team like the Spurs drafts him, and turns him into a star, And typical to our poor luck, he'd come back to haunt us every time we play them. :nonono:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1225 » by Crives » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:04 am

I have a feeling we end up with Desmond Bane
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Post#1226 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:10 am

Crives wrote:I have a feeling we end up with Desmond Bane


And I have this foreboding feeling that it'll be Saddiq Bey. Just a wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat foreboding feeling! :o
Not that he's bad or anything, Just not in my top 5. :lol:
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Post#1227 » by bwgood77 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:41 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Crives wrote:I have a feeling we end up with Desmond Bane


And I have this foreboding feeling that it'll be Saddiq Bey. Just a wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat foreboding feeling! :o
Not that he's bad or anything, Just not in my top 5. :lol:


What is your top 5?
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Post#1228 » by AtheJ415 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:52 am

I am not a fan of dumping our pick unless we're getting a Ben Simmons type of proven guy in return. I don't think Bane or Bey would be taken that high. I think Nesmith is the only reach guy Jones might like there. I am going to be annoyed if we pass on Vassell without having a plan at backup guard. Much like Brandon Clarke last year, who still grades out as a top 2 rookie on advanced stats, he is considered "good / green" across the board statistically. No other player in this class is like that. Riller is the closest to that outside of him.

If we pick any of Vassell, Hayes, Avdija, Toppin, Riller, Haliburton, I will be happy. Anybody else and I'll fully question what the hell we're doing.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1229 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:59 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Crives wrote:I have a feeling we end up with Desmond Bane


And I have this foreboding feeling that it'll be Saddiq Bey. Just a wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat foreboding feeling! :o
Not that he's bad or anything, Just not in my top 5. :lol:


What is your top 5?


Staying at 10, With no trade back scenario unfolding.
1- Obi Toppin.
2- Devin Vassell.
3- Grant Riller.
4- Jalen Smith.
5- Kira Lewis.
I'm not bothering with Haliburton/ Hayes/ Okoro/ Okungwu, Because I just don't see any way possible they fall to 10 for us.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1230 » by Sal85012 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:11 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
And I have this foreboding feeling that it'll be Saddiq Bey. Just a wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat foreboding feeling! :o
Not that he's bad or anything, Just not in my top 5. :lol:


What is your top 5?


Staying at 10, With no trade back scenario unfolding.
1- Obi Toppin.
2- Devin Vassell.
3- Grant Riller.
4- Jalen Smith.
5- Kira Lewis.
I'm not bothering with Haliburton/ Hayes/ Okoro/ Okungwu, Because I just don't see any way possible they fall to 10 for us.


Interesting, I highly doubt Toppin is there at 10. I hope I’m wrong. That guy can absolutely get buckets and looks to be a contributor right away.
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Post#1231 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:58 am

Sal85012 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
What is your top 5?


Staying at 10, With no trade back scenario unfolding.
1- Obi Toppin.
2- Devin Vassell.
3- Grant Riller.
4- Jalen Smith.
5- Kira Lewis.
I'm not bothering with Haliburton/ Hayes/ Okoro/ Okungwu, Because I just don't see any way possible they fall to 10 for us.


Interesting, I highly doubt Toppin is there at 10. I hope I’m wrong. That guy can absolutely get buckets and looks to be a contributor right away.


Yeah! It's somewhat of a tough call, As the overall percieved talent level is so fluid. Not to mention there's at least a few teams in front of us that can go in multiple directions. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part too. But I'm holding out hope/ truly believe ( barring any wild out of left field picks) that the lottery plays out like this basically:

1- Minnesota / Ball.
2- Golden State / Edwards.
3- Charlotte / Wiseman.
4- Chicago / Haliburton.
5- Cleveland / Avdija.
6- Atlanta / Okoro.
7- Detroit / Okungwu.
8- New York / Hayes.
9- Washington / Vassell.
10- Phoenix / Toppin.

Of course if Toppin isn't there, And Vassell is off the board, We'll likely trade back with one of Boston, Minnesota or Dallas and pick up an extra pick.

IF Boston,
14- Saddiq Bey.
30- Desmond Bane.

IF Minnesota,
16- Kira Lewis.
33- Paul Reed.

iF Dallas,
18- Riller. ***
31- Tillie or Tillman.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1232 » by Mjee » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:56 pm

I am all aboard the Saddiq Bey train .... Cho Cho

1. Guy can shoot
2. Great NBA body
3. Good size for the wing position and may be able to play a little 4
4. Good IQ
5. Played for Jay Wright
6. Can create his own shot

Boom .....Sold !!!!

Saddiq Bey !!!!
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Post#1233 » by bwgood77 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:42 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Staying at 10, With no trade back scenario unfolding.
1- Obi Toppin.
2- Devin Vassell.
3- Grant Riller.
4- Jalen Smith.
5- Kira Lewis.
I'm not bothering with Haliburton/ Hayes/ Okoro/ Okungwu, Because I just don't see any way possible they fall to 10 for us.


Interesting, I highly doubt Toppin is there at 10. I hope I’m wrong. That guy can absolutely get buckets and looks to be a contributor right away.


Yeah! It's somewhat of a tough call, As the overall percieved talent level is so fluid. Not to mention there's at least a few teams in front of us that can go in multiple directions. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part too. But I'm holding out hope/ truly believe ( barring any wild out of left field picks) that the lottery plays out like this basically:

1- Minnesota / Ball.
2- Golden State / Edwards.
3- Charlotte / Wiseman.
4- Chicago / Haliburton.
5- Cleveland / Avdija.
6- Atlanta / Okoro.
7- Detroit / Okungwu.
8- New York / Hayes.
9- Washington / Vassell.
10- Phoenix / Toppin.

Of course if Toppin isn't there, And Vassell is off the board, We'll likely trade back with one of Boston, Minnesota or Dallas and pick up an extra pick.

IF Boston,
14- Saddiq Bey.
30- Desmond Bane.

IF Minnesota,
16- Kira Lewis.
33- Paul Reed.

iF Dallas,
18- Riller. ***
31- Tillie or Tillman.


We will? Did you get the inside scoop?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1234 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:25 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Sal85012 wrote:
Interesting, I highly doubt Toppin is there at 10. I hope I’m wrong. That guy can absolutely get buckets and looks to be a contributor right away.


Yeah! It's somewhat of a tough call, As the overall percieved talent level is so fluid. Not to mention there's at least a few teams in front of us that can go in multiple directions. Perhaps it's just wishful thinking on my part too. But I'm holding out hope/ truly believe ( barring any wild out of left field picks) that the lottery plays out like this basically:

1- Minnesota / Ball.
2- Golden State / Edwards.
3- Charlotte / Wiseman.
4- Chicago / Haliburton.
5- Cleveland / Avdija.
6- Atlanta / Okoro.
7- Detroit / Okungwu.
8- New York / Hayes.
9- Washington / Vassell.
10- Phoenix / Toppin.

Of course if Toppin isn't there, And Vassell is off the board, We'll likely trade back with one of Boston, Minnesota or Dallas and pick up an extra pick.

IF Boston,
14- Saddiq Bey.
30- Desmond Bane.

IF Minnesota,
16- Kira Lewis.
33- Paul Reed.

iF Dallas,
18- Riller. ***
31- Tillie or Tillman.


We will? Did you get the inside scoop?


8-)

Lol! I wish I had an inside scoop man! But no, it's just a very bizarre yet strong reoccurring feeling that I keep getting! And before anyone asks.............

No! It's not gas! Or heartburn......... :lol: :lol: :-?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1235 » by bwgood77 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:49 pm

I put a poll up with some choices. I will probably reset these after we see a good number of votes, and maybe screen shot results and add to first post. I didn't put something like Toppin, Vassell, Hayes or Halliburton, just because I think something like that might win in landslide...and they all could be gone. I tried to put choices where at least one, or maybe two, are likely to be there.
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Post#1236 » by Weemsickew14 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:35 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Crives wrote:I have a feeling we end up with Desmond Bane


And I have this foreboding feeling that it'll be Saddiq Bey. Just a wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat foreboding feeling! :o
Not that he's bad or anything, Just not in my top 5. :lol:

I would be happy with either of those guys, however Bane at 10 is a reach, but it's James Jones. I like Jones' style when it comes to drafting guys who can contribute right away, shoot, and have high b-ball IQ. I believe if we stay at 10 the pick is either Haliburton, Vassell, Bey, or Jalen Smith. If we trade for another 1st it will be for Riller, Jalen Smith, Bane, or Tyler Bey. To be honest I would love to end up with 2 of these guys so we can have controllable/cheap rookie contracts.
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Post#1237 » by bwgood77 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:36 pm

Interesting to look back at the link and early top prospects in the first post of the thread....who wasn't even on the radar at the time..and who were the guys that people talked about..

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Post#1238 » by Fo-Real » Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:44 pm

Why does Wiseman remind me too much of Whiteside?!?!
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Post#1239 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:58 pm

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Now imagine him replacing Kaminsky for a much cheaper contractual cost! :nod:
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Post#1240 » by Mjee » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:02 pm

wow Jalen Smith looks really good .... he's definitely an option I would seriously consider

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