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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1921 » by j4remi » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:23 pm

rammagen wrote:While that ladiy's mother may have known the issues this woman chose to speak has no clue and no right to Identify as a Latina. I say that a Puerto Rican American. I doubt she has ever heard a racial slur directed at her I doubt she has never served in the Military or done anything for this nation or the Island of Puerto Rico.

I still think it should be mandatory to get into Politics to serve in the military at least one term. learn how to live closely with people of every type and color learn to depend on them because your life may depend on it. Live in the tight quarters and learn how to respect to the other person as a person. Then go into politics because you will have a greater understanding of the other people and cultures.

The sad part is Puerto Ricans have served and gave their lives for the US since W.W.1, every generation of my family has had members that have served proudly down to the next generation. We need to become a state with the Virgin Islands in the worse way we have all the sacrifices but with limited benefits.

Just look at the response for hurricanes. The Jones act is laughable at best and is a way to drive costs up on the Island so the mainland profits. Start with repealing that and then there is a basis for talks. What is the republican nightmare is Puerto Ricans coming here and because we are US citizens and voting Dem. Look at Florida as an example.

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/will-puerto-ricans-new-to-florida-swing-state-to-democrats/


Much respect to your family for the service fam! I co-sign that statehood point and Jones act. I hate that statehood looks like the only way out of the mess that was forced on Puerto Rico by those mainland profit incentives. My cynicism has me thinking the only way that the Jones Act ever goes away is via statehood. I remember reading about the Kochs investing a gang of money on displaced Puerto Ricans in Florida. I wish there was a path to sovereignty but I don't think imperialism would allow for that anyway, we'd have more independence claiming State's Rights than independence (where they'd just drive out uncooperative leadership like they always have with Latin American leaders).

Edit: Did you see this bit of news? It's the type of independent decision making that I'd like to see (of course in this case it has to go through Congressional approval though). Of course this proposal comes from two reps of Puerto Rican descent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/puerto-rico-not-congress-must-determine-its-future-our-bill-ncna1238032

What the convention negotiates and puts forth would then be voted on in a referendum by the people of Puerto Rico before presentation to the U.S. Congress. The key is that this framework would be developed by Puerto Ricans and for Puerto Ricans, not dictated to them like so many previous policies.

Until now, Puerto Rico has been ravaged by decisions made unilaterally by Congress. In one especially disastrous move for the economy, Congress began phasing out an important manufacturing tax break in the mid-1990s that had long bolstered the island. In particular, pharmaceutical firms that had previously flocked to the commonwealth left in droves, eroding the local economy and tax base.

Over the years, most notably during the period in which those companies fled the Island, the government of Puerto Rico borrowed heavily, fueling the current debt crisis. That fiscal crisis was compounded by a puzzling law Congress crafted in the 1980s that excluded Puerto Rico from bankruptcy tools available to other localities.

Puerto Rico’s local environment also suffered from Washington’s mistreatment. The island of Vieques was subjected to decades of U.S. Navy test bombings of everything from Agent Orange to depleted uranium, and Viequenses suffer higher rates of cancer than the rest of Puerto Rico. While more than 200,000 Puerto Ricans have served in U.S. conflicts since World War I, the U.S. military has still not addressed the health and environmental damage it instigated in Vieques.

More recently, as Puerto Rico has endured hardship from Hurricane Maria, earthquakes in January and, now, the spread of COVID-19, the island has received inadequate assistance from the federal government.

All these problems underscore the need to politically empower Puerto Ricans. It is understandable that many of our friends in the Democratic Party have eyed making Puerto Rico a state as the answer. That view gained further traction after the U.S. House recently passed legislation that would move the District of Columbia toward statehood.

But this approach, often undertaken with the best of intentions, is misguided. Puerto Rico’s history is vastly different from the District’s. Unlike D.C., the island had a unique Caribbean heritage that existed long before it was forcibly seized by the United States.

Equally important, there isn’t overwhelming support for statehood in Puerto Rico, as there is in D.C. With Washington, most opposition to statehood emanates from Republican lawmakers in Congress, none of whom reside in the district.

Conversely, in Puerto Rico there remain visceral disagreements about the status issue. Despite five plebiscites, “statehood” has never received an unequivocal mandate from Puerto Rican voters. The two most recent referenda were marred by voting irregularities and dismal participation. In fact, the U.S. Department of Justice refused to validate the results of the 2017 referendum. While yet another nonbinding status vote is scheduled for November, the recent primary fiasco in Puerto Rico does not inspire much confidence that the outcome will be any more reflective of popular opinion than previous votes.

For true, legitimate change, Puerto Rico’s status must be resolved from the ground up. Plans for altering the Island’s relationship with the U.S. should not just garner the consent of the Puerto Rican people; they should originate with them. In fact, many in Puerto Rico would view Congress pushing statehood not as an end to colonization, but the culmination of it.


That's a good chunk of the story but there's more in there. This is a better offer than I expect Congress to ever put through tbh, but it includes some nice references to our culture and the complexities of the statehood debate. I'd like to see statehood coupled with something like this, where the people vote on and decide the path. PROMESA felt like the opposite and set us up for more pain.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1922 » by BKlutch » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:23 pm

You know those gun toting idiots who threatened the protesters and are now invited to the RNC? Well, their neighbor speaks up about what they are really like. TL;DR They are bullies.

When Rabbi Susan Talve heard that Patricia and Mark McCloskey would be among the speakers addressing the Republican National Convention, she decided she could no longer stay quiet.

“It’s so upsetting that they have a national audience,” Talve said. “It’s upsetting we make heroes out of people who hate.”

The McCloskeys are Talve’s neighbors. Their property’s northern wall abuts the property of St. Louis’ Jewish Central Reform Congregation, where Talve is the rabbi.

The rabbi who is neighbor to Mark and Patricia McCloskey speaks out: ‘They are bullies’ by the Forward
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In 2013, the synagogue placed beehives along the wall to produce honey for Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year. One morning they found the hives destroyed and all the bees dead. Mark McCloskey had taken an ax or sledgehammer to them.

His issue? The fence between them sat six inches inside the McCloskey’s property line. The hives were his to wreck.

“He could have picked up the phone and said, ‘Hey, those beehives are on my property,’ and we would have happily moved them,” said Talve.

Related story: That Time Donald Trump’s Father Was Arrested At A KKK Rally In Queens

She said children at the synagogue wept when they heard the news of the hives. The synagogue maintains raised bed gardens on its property that supply some 2,000 pounds of fresh produce to a local food pantry, as well as pear, fig and apple trees.

“We were going to have our own apples and honey for Rosh Hashanah!” she said.

She said the McCloskeys didn’t contact the temple at all before lashing out.

Instead, McCloskey left a note threatening to sue the synagogue for damages if the shattered hives were not removed at once.

“Civility,” Talve said. “I’m willing to speak out now because there’s such a lack of civility that’s happening, and I don’t feel like I can be a part of that, and silence is complicity.”

Talve paused.

“They are bullies,” she said. “The fact that they’re speaking at the convention is a win for bullies.”

Judging by their remarks at the Republican National Convention Monday night, the McCloskeys clearly don’t see it that way. They are the victims of a Democratic-run city that lets lawbreakers run rampant.

“What you saw happen to us could just as easily happen to you who are watching from quiet neighborhoods around our country,” Patricia McCloskey said to the convention.

“It seems the Democrats view the job of the government as protecting criminals from honest citizens,” said her husband.

When reporter Jeremy Kohler broke the storyof the McCloskey’s anti-beehive rampage in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Talve confirmed what happened but otherwise refrained from speaking out against the couple.


If you can stand reading more about these folks, you can at: https://forward.com/news/national/453183/the-rabbi-who-is-neighbor-to-mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-speaks-out-they/?fbclid=IwAR1Nc_IuFx0L-tp7W5F-O_xK5hrgUbjJmbj26agLZHKNBy8eiLWCqsyLfCc
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1923 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:23 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Stannis wrote:Well let me clarify, I think winning by +5-8 million votes is a landslide. So losing by that much but still winning the electoral is very possible.

Anyways, the rust belt won him the election last time. And poor white folks like him more than ever.

If he wins, I see it being something like this:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/47yWP


no it isn't.

I know 270towin and if you look at the 2016 results you can see by clicking on PA, WI and MI the electoral college flips back from Trump to Clinton and she wins.

He won those states by 70,000 votes

You're talking about stacking 2-5 Million more votes on top of Hillary's 3M popular vote margin

So what you're talking about is illogical. If you increase the differential by millions and not tens of thousands, Biden would have either a winning or dominant electoral total to go with a popular landslide total. Florida is very much in play as well as other Red states that Clinton couldn't dream of winning in 2016. This is apples to oranges


So you're saying it's "in the bag"?


I'd never say that

But the context of 2020 is vastly different from 2016

and if Biden's popular margin is millions greater than Clinton's then it will be a dominant electoral victory

but I still say if you know someone who will vote for Biden that is not registered to vote, help them sign up
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1924 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:28 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
no it isn't.

I know 270towin and if you look at the 2016 results you can see by clicking on PA, WI and MI the electoral college flips back from Trump to Clinton and she wins.

He won those states by 70,000 votes

You're talking about stacking 2-5 Million more votes on top of Hillary's 3M popular vote margin

So what you're talking about is illogical. If you increase the differential by millions and not tens of thousands, Biden would have either a winning or dominant electoral total to go with a popular landslide total. Florida is very much in play as well as other Red states that Clinton couldn't dream of winning in 2016. This is apples to oranges


So you're saying it's "in the bag"?


I'd never say that

But the context of 2020 is vastly different from 2016

and if Biden's popular margin is millions greater than Clinton's then it will be a dominant electoral victory

but I still say if you know someone who will vote for Biden that is not registered to vote, help them sign up


I'm in NY. Biden is going to win here by 40 points.

I will say up front that I'm not a polling expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm just going to leave this one here and let others explain to me why this shouldn't concern us.

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1925 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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BKlutch wrote:One line in the video was that he supported the people of South Africa, not necessarily their government, and was lambasting the Secretary of State for missing that difference. Biden might just want to live the later years of his life with as much purpose as he did the beginning.


The apartheid confrontation is a classic. He has it in him to be a great president.

And that is the upside to being an older president. He's working only on his legacy, not on getting re-elected.


So did Obama


I agree with you.

Obama has a strong element of status quoism in his character that frankly surprised me

He is a great personality and was a positive force to some degree, but he was not nearly as progressive as I had hoped for

I still like and respect Obama, but I'm never going to promote his record as exemplary. I do believe leadership and stability is important and Obama provided that. And he was good at things a president needs to be able to handle. Let's not forget that Ebola could have ravaged the planet if Obama was not the president

but I want more

I hope the version we get is Joe Unchained
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1926 » by Stannis » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:29 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Stannis wrote:Well let me clarify, I think winning by +5-8 million votes is a landslide. So losing by that much but still winning the electoral is very possible.

Anyways, the rust belt won him the election last time. And poor white folks like him more than ever.

If he wins, I see it being something like this:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/47yWP


no it isn't.

I know 270towin and if you look at the 2016 results you can see by clicking on PA, WI and MI the electoral college flips back from Trump to Clinton and she wins.

He won those states by 70,000 votes

You're talking about stacking 2-5 Million more votes on top of Hillary's 3M popular vote margin

So what you're talking about is illogical. If you increase the differential by millions and not tens of thousands, Biden would have either a winning or dominant electoral total to go with a popular landslide total. Florida is very much in play as well as other Red states that Clinton couldn't dream of winning in 2016. This is apples to oranges


So you're saying it's "in the bag"?

All I am saying is that I won't be surprised if Trump wins. I'm getting 2016 vibes. I was laughed at back in 2016 for fearing Trump would get elected.

If he manages to retain Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, that's the race. He could even flip Nevada. A lot can go his way.

I get that he threaded the needle with many states, but it can happen again. I'm not setting myself to get surprised. Sadly, there's a large portion in the US (with more voting power mind you) that care more about triggering "libtards" & cancel culture, and pumping more money into the market and not the people.

60/40, Biden/Trump are my odds for now.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1927 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:31 pm

Stannis wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
no it isn't.

I know 270towin and if you look at the 2016 results you can see by clicking on PA, WI and MI the electoral college flips back from Trump to Clinton and she wins.

He won those states by 70,000 votes

You're talking about stacking 2-5 Million more votes on top of Hillary's 3M popular vote margin

So what you're talking about is illogical. If you increase the differential by millions and not tens of thousands, Biden would have either a winning or dominant electoral total to go with a popular landslide total. Florida is very much in play as well as other Red states that Clinton couldn't dream of winning in 2016. This is apples to oranges


So you're saying it's "in the bag"?

All I am saying is that I won't be surprised if Trump wins. I'm getting 2016 vibes. I was laughed at back in 2016 for fearing Trump would get elected.

If he manages to retain Pennsylvania, Florida, Ohio, that's the race. He could even flip Nevada. A lot can go his way.

I get that he threaded the needle with many states, but it can happen again. I'm not setting myself to get surprised. Sadly, there's a large portion in the US (with more voting power mind you) that care more about triggering "libtards" & cancel culture, and pumping more money into the market and not the people.

60/40, Biden/Trump are my odds for now.


Check out the swing state polls I posted above. Things are tightening up according to that one.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1928 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:35 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
So you're saying it's "in the bag"?


I'd never say that

But the context of 2020 is vastly different from 2016

and if Biden's popular margin is millions greater than Clinton's then it will be a dominant electoral victory

but I still say if you know someone who will vote for Biden that is not registered to vote, help them sign up


I'm in NY. Biden is going to win her by 40 points.

I will say up front that I'm not a polling expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm just going to leave this one here and let others explain to me why this shouldn't concern us.

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They say they are a non-partisan pollster, yet they are citing the Heritage Foundation inside that tweet which is puzzling
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1929 » by BKlutch » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:49 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
The apartheid confrontation is a classic. He has it in him to be a great president.

And that is the upside to being an older president. He's working only on his legacy, not on getting re-elected.


So did Obama


I agree with you.

Obama has a strong element of status quoism in his character that frankly surprised me

He is a great personality and was a positive force to some degree, but he was not nearly as progressive as I had hoped for

I still like and respect Obama, but I'm never going to promote his record as exemplary. I do believe leadership and stability is important and Obama provided that. And he was good at things a president needs to be able to handle. Let's not forget that Ebola could have ravaged the planet if Obama was not the president

but I want more

I hope the version we get is Joe Unchained

Biden has reached the last phase of his life. He has nobody left to answer to, except the God that Trump says he wants to hurt. It is entirely possible that Obama felt constrained by the need to show that the first African American President would not be a "wild radical" due to his perception this would help those who followed. Or maybe under pressure, he lost his poetry.

I believe, and I hope, that Biden (like WIngo?) has reached the "Fuq-it!" stage where he will do what he believes is best and let those who are pissed at him deal with it. Whether this is true or not, we know he will be true to his abiding caring and concern for others, and do his best to shepherd our democracy out of danger.

We all need to do more to help. I've gotten the help of my son in supporting the work of the ACLU to increase voter registration. Yes, we're in NY - but every vote counts (Yes we need yours too, Wingo!!!)
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1930 » by robillionaire » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:58 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
I'd never say that

But the context of 2020 is vastly different from 2016

and if Biden's popular margin is millions greater than Clinton's then it will be a dominant electoral victory

but I still say if you know someone who will vote for Biden that is not registered to vote, help them sign up


I'm in NY. Biden is going to win her by 40 points.

I will say up front that I'm not a polling expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm just going to leave this one here and let others explain to me why this shouldn't concern us.

Read on Twitter


They say they are a non-partisan pollster, yet they are citing the Heritage Foundation inside that tweet which is puzzling


that (R) next to it is usually a giveaway
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1931 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:25 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I'm in NY. Biden is going to win her by 40 points.

I will say up front that I'm not a polling expert by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm just going to leave this one here and let others explain to me why this shouldn't concern us.

Read on Twitter


They say they are a non-partisan pollster, yet they are citing the Heritage Foundation inside that tweet which is puzzling


that (R) next to it is usually a giveaway


Okay, okay! Sheesh. I'll do better next time. :D
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1932 » by robillionaire » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
They say they are a non-partisan pollster, yet they are citing the Heritage Foundation inside that tweet which is puzzling


that (R) next to it is usually a giveaway


Okay, okay! Sheesh. I'll do better next time. :D


I actually think you're right and they should be very very concerned but the poll is junk
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Post#1933 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:54 pm

robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
that (R) next to it is usually a giveaway


Okay, okay! Sheesh. I'll do better next time. :D


I actually think you're right and they should be very very concerned but the poll is junk


I went and checked with 538. We appear to be good in Wisconsin (+10), Michigan (+12), Pennsylvania (+7), Colorado (+13) and a bunch of other states.

However ... Ohio (+1), North Carolina (+3), Minnesota (+2), Georgia (-3), Florida (+4), Arizona (-3), Texas (+1)
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1934 » by GONYK » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:57 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Okay, okay! Sheesh. I'll do better next time. :D


I actually think you're right and they should be very very concerned but the poll is junk


I went and checked with 538. We appear to be good in Wisconsin (+10), Michigan (+12), Pennsylvania (+7), Colorado (+13) and a bunch of other states.

However ... Ohio (+1), North Carolina (+3), Minnesota (+2), Georgia (-3), Florida (+4), Arizona (-3), Texas (+1)


I don't think there is a path for Trump without PA, MI, and WI.

There definitely isn't one without FL
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1935 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:07 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
I actually think you're right and they should be very very concerned but the poll is junk


I went and checked with 538. We appear to be good in Wisconsin (+10), Michigan (+12), Pennsylvania (+7), Colorado (+13) and a bunch of other states.

However ... Ohio (+1), North Carolina (+3), Minnesota (+2), Georgia (-3), Florida (+4), Arizona (-3), Texas (+1)


I don't think there is a path for Trump without PA, MI, and WI.

There definitely isn't one without FL


Old folks are dying in real numbers in FL. That means two things, neither good for Trump.

Some were Trump voters. And some are pissed that their retirement buddies are taking an early exit.

Plus, Trump's threat to Social Security does not help in Florida.

Plus, Trump's lapdog DeScumbagis has to be one of the least respected governors of all time

Plus, former felons won the right to vote in Florida

I'm very hopeful for the Florida vote now
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Post#1936 » by Stannis » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:11 pm

With Trump trying to get cops out and monitoring election night, I wonder how many minorities will get pulled over?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1937 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:15 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I went and checked with 538. We appear to be good in Wisconsin (+10), Michigan (+12), Pennsylvania (+7), Colorado (+13) and a bunch of other states.

However ... Ohio (+1), North Carolina (+3), Minnesota (+2), Georgia (-3), Florida (+4), Arizona (-3), Texas (+1)


I don't think there is a path for Trump without PA, MI, and WI.

There definitely isn't one without FL


Old folks are dying in real numbers in FL. That means two things, neither good for Trump.

Some were Trump voters. And some are pissed that their retirement buddies are taking an early exit.

Plus, Trump's threat to Social Security does not help in Florida.

Plus, Trump's lapdog DeScumbagis has to be one of the least respected governors of all time

Plus, former felons won the right to vote in Florida

I'm very hopeful for the Florida vote now


Then why isn’t Biden up more than +1? You’re our Florida correspondent
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Post#1938 » by Stannis » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:16 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Plus, Trump's lapdog DeScumbagis has to be one of the least respected governors of all time

How is he viewed crossed all demographics?

He's definitely some kind of hero for the right.

They keep reporting that Florida's death rate was lower than NY, and he did a great job.

You live in FL, so you know better than me. But I don't see any Trump voters changing their voters or not voting in FL.
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Post#1939 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:27 pm

Stannis wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Plus, Trump's lapdog DeScumbagis has to be one of the least respected governors of all time

How is he viewed crossed all demographics?

He's definitely some kind of hero for the right.

They keep reporting that Florida's death rate was lower than NY, and he did a great job.

You live in FL, so you know better than me. But I don't see any Trump voters changing their voters or not voting in FL.


Of course they'd cherry pick death rate which is lower per capita in Florida, yet it is in a dead heat with CA and TX for most cases.

Those three states left NY in the dust for infection totals this Summer. NY took the big hit early before the medical system was not prepared to treat covid so naturally their death rate was higher since the early velocity of infections there overwhelmed local hospitals.

So those three states all have over 10,000 dead, eclipsed only by NY and NJ which took the brunt of it.

I've never heard anybody praise DeSantis. Whatever you see is just the Trump factions within the GOP disseminating support for their own.

And his approval ratings are right around Trump's so he's not popular in FL. The majority of Republicans may still support him because that's what they do, but there are plenty who don't any longer.

He's not up for election so the only thing that matters is whether or not his level of popularity would boost Trump's chances here and the answer is it will not. At best he has become a neutral factor, but I think the truth is he is hurting Trump at least to some degree.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#1940 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:33 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
GONYK wrote:
I don't think there is a path for Trump without PA, MI, and WI.

There definitely isn't one without FL


Old folks are dying in real numbers in FL. That means two things, neither good for Trump.

Some were Trump voters. And some are pissed that their retirement buddies are taking an early exit.

Plus, Trump's threat to Social Security does not help in Florida.

Plus, Trump's lapdog DeScumbagis has to be one of the least respected governors of all time

Plus, former felons won the right to vote in Florida

I'm very hopeful for the Florida vote now


Then why isn’t Biden up more than +1? You’re our Florida correspondent


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/florida/

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