jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Say we cut spending this off-season and hold out for that 2021 FA class...
What happens if we CAN'T attract a big name FA superstar???
IDK...it's happened before ...
I'd cry
I hate to tell you but outside of Giannis that '21 FA class is pretty overrated. It just pisses me off that the Suns have really good momentum, a new arena and practice facility (that taxpayers helped pay for to the tune of $150 million) and Sarver isn't financially stable enough or even committed enough to winning to allow for even similar spending levels. I guess it is all rumors but it fits with the owner we know.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.
I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Say we cut spending this offseason and hold out for that 2021 FA class...
What happens if we CAN'T attract a big name FA superstar???
IDK...it's happened before ...
I'd cry
We'd have plenty of money to spend on tier 2 free agents, like a rookie scale max player (~27million in the first year), or someone who'd be slightly below the max, and then cash left over to add another FA. It's not a doom scenario, though not ideal.
But, you could end up with some very good players maybe De'Aaron Fox at rookie scale max money or Markkanen or Kuzma, for less than that. Most scenarios I've seen have us with about $35m to spend, so we could add say Markkanen for under the max, at maybe 18m per depending on his production this upcoming season. And then still have about 18m leftover to add another player or two.
It might not be as sexy as adding Giannis or whomever, but it might make us better to add two second tier FAs than one superstar.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?
King4Day wrote:Not sure how I missed this. What do people think of this idea? I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.
Nope. This doesn't make us better. We're trading 3 rotation players, (and possibly a 4th depending on how you view the 10 pick) for one. This is what our team would look like
So while the starting group seems like a lot of fun and a really good team, that team is an injury away from being really bad.
What if Simmons, who doesn't exactly have a clean injury bill, goes down? We turn into garbage city. What happens if Bridges gets hurt? Who else even plays the 3 on that roster?
I would be super unhappy with this trade.
That is crazy man. Suns would have to take that kind of upgrade. Simmons, Booker, Ayton would be crazy fun. Would need Ayton to develop that jump shot quick.Also, as has been pointed out, the fact that Rich Paul is Simmons agent probably puts an end to this speculation. No way Sarver agrees to tie a major piece of the franchise to Klutch. Its petty but that's Robert Saver.
It's not an overall upgrade though. It helps one position and guts our wings. What happens when Simmons is injured? We play Payne or Carter 30 minutes a night? What happens if Mikal is injured? Who plays the 3? Ty Jerome?
Saberestar wrote:$10M for FVV would be incredible, but he would need to fire his agent after that. Lou Williams signed a supercheap contract a few years ago too, another mistake IMO.
Dinwiddie took a huge discount to be part of a contender. He recruited Kyrie and Durant, he would get a lot more money in the open market.
FVV would be a dream come true. The guy can do it all and is TOUGH. He would be perfect as part as our core, but Masai will not lose a player like that. Not happening.
Saberestar wrote:$10M for FVV would be incredible, but he would need to fire his agent after that. Lou Williams signed a supercheap contract a few years ago too, another mistake IMO.
Dinwiddie took a huge discount to be part of a contender. He recruited Kyrie and Durant, he would get a lot more money in the open market.
FVV would be a dream come true. The guy can do it all and is TOUGH. He would be perfect as part as our core, but Masai will not lose a player like that. Not happening.
Yeah that's a crazy low number for Van Vleet, he's getting PAID this off-season.
One minor correction Dinwiddie took that contract because it was the highest amount he could get under the CBA for an early extension which he signed during the season, he chose the financial security instead of trying to hit the market as a RFA later. I actually do think he might end up getting traded this summer.
There is also the fact that FVV is way better than Dinwiddie too.
Is he really way better though? FVV averages about 5 more mins per game and gets more steals and shoots better from 3. Dinwiddie gets to the FT line at higher rate and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Overall their TS % are nearly identical too.
I like FVV a lot and wanted the Suns to sign him the first time he hit free agency a few years ago. But I do have questions of how good he would look outside of Toronto's system for paying him north of $20M/yr.
Yeah that's a crazy low number for Van Vleet, he's getting PAID this off-season.
One minor correction Dinwiddie took that contract because it was the highest amount he could get under the CBA for an early extension which he signed during the season, he chose the financial security instead of trying to hit the market as a RFA later. I actually do think he might end up getting traded this summer.
There is also the fact that FVV is way better than Dinwiddie too.
Is he really way better though? FVV averages about 5 more mins per game and gets more steals and shoots better from 3. Dinwiddie gets to the FT line at higher rate and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Overall their TS % are nearly identical too.
I like FVV a lot and wanted the Suns to sign him the first time he hit free agency a few years ago. But I do have questions of how good he would look outside of Toronto's system for paying him north of $20M/yr.
Maybe depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for an excellent 3&D guard who can hit 3s at a high % on very high volume, and play hard nosed defense, FVV is your guy.
If you want a guard who can't shoot or defend but can get to the line a little more and play a bit better offensively inside the arc, Dinwiddie is your guy.
They have about the same assists, though Dinwiddie turns it over more.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Windhorst wasn't having a take. He stated that is what he is hearing. It fits with Sarvers history.
I understand the cap and that is a good explanation. The problem is that a single win costs about $3 million. Taking $20 million out of the team salary will in all likelihood cost the Suns 4-8 wins.
That is where a competitive team takes a step forward towards the playoffs or falls back to the pack. Keeping Saric and Baynes at large 1+1 deals (like Bobby Marks suggested) retaining Oubre and Carter, and using the full MLE on a vet or vets to fill the remaining hole(s) pushes the salary number towards $125 million to $130 million. In the end, that is the best policy moving forward. Keep both continuity and flexibility while maintaining maximum competitiveness.
If the Suns need to cut the salary back to $115 million they are losing wins in a western conference that is super close in talent between teams 6 through 15. Losing even $10 million in spending on salary equates to 2-4 wins which is a significant issue for a team like the Suns who find themselves right in the middle of that group.
bwgood77 wrote: There is also the fact that FVV is way better than Dinwiddie too.
Is he really way better though? FVV averages about 5 more mins per game and gets more steals and shoots better from 3. Dinwiddie gets to the FT line at higher rate and has a better assist/turnover ratio. Overall their TS % are nearly identical too.
I like FVV a lot and wanted the Suns to sign him the first time he hit free agency a few years ago. But I do have questions of how good he would look outside of Toronto's system for paying him north of $20M/yr.
Maybe depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for an excellent 3&D guard who can hit 3s at a high % on very high volume, and play hard nosed defense, FVV is your guy.
If you want a guard who can't shoot or defend but can get to the line a little more and play a bit better offensively inside the arc, Dinwiddie is your guy.
They have about the same assists, though Dinwiddie turns it over more.
Between the two, I would definitely prefer FVV because we wouldn't need him to be a lead guard or lead scorer. I think Dinwiddie is more skilled for that even with his limited 3pt shooting ability and worse defense. Statistically speaking though, they are pretty similar overall.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Windhorst wasn't having a take. He stated that is what he is hearing. It fits with Sarvers history.
I understand the cap and that is a good explanation. The problem is that a single win costs about $3 million. Taking $20 million out of the team salary will in all likelihood cost the Suns 4-8 wins.
That is where a competitive team takes a step forward towards the playoffs or falls back to the pack. Keeping Saric and Baynes at large 1+1 deals (like Bobby Marks suggested) retaining Oubre and Carter, and using the full MLE on a vet or vets to fill the remaining hole(s) pushes the salary number towards $125 million to $130 million. In the end, that is the best policy moving forward. Keep both continuity and flexibility while maintaining maximum competitiveness.
If the Suns need to cut the salary back to $115 million they are losing wins in a western conference that is super close in talent between teams 6 through 15. Losing even $10 million in spending on salary equates to 2-4 wins which is a significant issue for a team like the Suns who find themselves right in the middle of that group.
I was just making a joke because windy and Bickley are two of my least favorite media people.
I'm by no means trying to carry water for sarver, I can't stand the guy.
I'm all for the maximum spending plan but as has been discussed here a ton theres no saying Baynes even wants to come back, plenty of legit reasons he would want another situation. If he leaves then there's just not a huge variance in what the suns can spend.
But yeah any act of cheapness should be scorned I was just laying out the parameters of the CBA because some people might have the impression that team payrolls can vary more than is allowed.
Also it's two years from now that the true cheapness could rear it's ugly head and that could be tradgic if the suns are actually good. Let's all hope the wolves sell for some insane number and Bobby decides to cash in.
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jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.
I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.
I heard part of the Windhorst interview. His comments about Vlade and the Kings and the Suns (with Igor K) passing on the Suns was his main point.
As for revenue - I think many teams are going to have cash problems. Now some teams are up against the cap and can't spend it. I am okay if Sarver stays below the cap. I agree - just don't sell that pick. If you don't want to bring back Baynes and instead sign two guys for the vet minimum - fine.
bwgood77 wrote: I think it's such a crapshoot as to who teams' value, that if you really like 1 guy, you take him and don't mess with trading down. But if we were happy with, say, Deni, Obi or Tyrese, then we could try to trade down to like 4 or 5.
Did you say LaMelo is your #1? I heard a case the other day on a pod (I listened to because I knew the guest) where they made a rationale to where LaMelo could drop to 8...they simply went through every team and the rationale at each spot kind of made sense in some respect. Of course it was a Knicks pod too.
I heard a case the other day on a pod (I listened to because I knew the guest) where they made a rationale to where LaMelo could drop to 8...
That wouldn't be Ben Pfeifer on the prep to pro podcast by chance would it man?
Any which way you slice it, I just can't see all of Minnesota (1) / Golden state(2)/ Chicago(4)/ Atlanta (6)/ Detroit (7) / New York ( 8). All passing on Ball. It just won't happen. I don't think he makes it past Chicago for sure. And definitely not past Detroit! Anyways, It'll be an interesting night for sure.
Maybe...in the scenario..he wouldn't slide past NY. Well in Atlanta's case it's because Trae is already one of the best passer in the NBA. Ball's strength is passing and his weakness other than shooting is defense.
Detroit doesn't make sense. Chicago argument I believe came down to taking a PG last year. They also have a log of guards. Not sure about their wing position....I know they have Porter but he was out all of last year, and he only has a player option for this year. I know he will almost certainly exercise it for that money, but a wing of the future, with all the guards they have might make sense...could probably use a good 3D wing.
Sato, White and Dunn all played 25 minutes a game and they have Ryan Arci....and perhaps none should prevent taking Ball but they also have ball handling LaVine and little for wings...versatility guarding big 2s and 3s.
I haven't watched much of Ball though. I know he isn't a shooter. What, is he like Ben Simmons lite without the D?[/quote]
Detroit doesn't make sense
Why doesn't it make sense? Sure they have Rose, But he's not going to be around longterm. Kennard is a 2 with some playmaking skills, But nevertheless still has injury concerns. Jordan Mcrae is an unrestricted free agent. I mean perhaps if the premise is that they'll apply the majority of their cap space a veteran guard like Van Vleet or perhaps Dragic? Then that's a fair argument. But what IF that's not their plans for their cap space at all? Then isn't it possible that they they look to improve their lack of depth at that position? https://www.espn.com/nba/team/depth/_/name/det
Chicago argument I believe came down to taking a PG last year. They also have a lot of guards.
They do have a lot of guards for sure. But really, how many have a higher potential ceiling than Ball? Sato is good, But would he really prevent you from taking Ball if somehow he fell to you? Is sato a longterm piece? Or would you classify him as a possible franchise cornerstone? White is intriguing, But according to the majority of Chicago fans, He's more of a shooting guard/ scorer than the natural facilitator that they'd prefer. (Dunn whom I really liked) and pushed to pursue last season, Is a really good defender at the 1. But is he a franchise cornerstone piece either? Is he a top level playmaker? Would he prevent you from drafting Ball either? And Ryan Arcidiacono? He's like what, A 3rd string guard that is averaging like 4.5 points and 1.7 assists. Is he the player that keeps you from drafting ball ? I mean you could be right, But when really was the last time Chicago actually had a guard with star potential post Jordan? If he fell to them somehow, I think they take him, And then look to move their plethora of other guards for additional assets. But then again, You could be right, And they may target a wing?
I haven't watched much of Ball though. I know he isn't a shooter. What, is he like Ben Simmons lite without the D?
Nah...His defense really isn't good enough yet to be like Simmons, Of course the allure is in that he's a gifted natural passer, With a lot of flamboyance and flashiness. But he's honestly more of a shaun Livingston with better passing, or closest to his brother Lonzo, But not yet as developed and athletic. But already a better shooter. Not that that's saying much though.
I'm legit curious of the suns and Klutch current relationship. On one hand you have the spat with Sarver but on the other hand James Jones and LeBron are friends. I'd hope they have things smoothed out because it's not healthy to have an agency you can't work with.
Another wrickle is Booker is a CCA guy and there was absolutely some bad blood between CCA and Rich Paul when he left and started his own agency.
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Barkley6 wrote: Nope. This doesn't make us better. We're trading 3 rotation players, (and possibly a 4th depending on how you view the 10 pick) for one. This is what our team would look like
So while the starting group seems like a lot of fun and a really good team, that team is an injury away from being really bad.
What if Simmons, who doesn't exactly have a clean injury bill, goes down? We turn into garbage city. What happens if Bridges gets hurt? Who else even plays the 3 on that roster?
I would be super unhappy with this trade.
That is crazy man. Suns would have to take that kind of upgrade. Simmons, Booker, Ayton would be crazy fun. Would need Ayton to develop that jump shot quick.Also, as has been pointed out, the fact that Rich Paul is Simmons agent probably puts an end to this speculation. No way Sarver agrees to tie a major piece of the franchise to Klutch. Its petty but that's Robert Saver.
It's not an overall upgrade though. It helps one position and guts our wings. What happens when Simmons is injured? We play Payne or Carter 30 minutes a night? What happens if Mikal is injured? Who plays the 3? Ty Jerome?
I think it is easier to find role playing wings that all-nba caliber players, which I think Simmons is close to becoming. You fill those empty spots with the MLE, BAE, and draft pick. Also, defensively Simmons guards 1-4 so guys like Carter, Jerome and Payne can be more effective playing off ball on offense and guarding smaller players on the defensive end.
jredsaz wrote:Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.
Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?
Any money not spent to the salary floor is distributed to the players on the roster.
Mjee wrote:Just looked at that 2021 FA class... nobodies coming here lets be real.
Giannis, PG13, Kawahi, Lebron, CP3 ..... they aren't coming to PHX
Got to trade for a star to put next to book !!
Trading is the only way to get a star NOT FA
Look at some of the tier 2 and 3 free agents. Some pretty likeable names out there. If we don't land a super star, we could add 2 tier 2 or 3 FAs and still improve significantly.
jredsaz wrote: That is crazy man. Suns would have to take that kind of upgrade. Simmons, Booker, Ayton would be crazy fun. Would need Ayton to develop that jump shot quick.Also, as has been pointed out, the fact that Rich Paul is Simmons agent probably puts an end to this speculation. No way Sarver agrees to tie a major piece of the franchise to Klutch. Its petty but that's Robert Saver.
It's not an overall upgrade though. It helps one position and guts our wings. What happens when Simmons is injured? We play Payne or Carter 30 minutes a night? What happens if Mikal is injured? Who plays the 3? Ty Jerome?
I think it is easier to find role playing wings that all-nba caliber players, which I think Simmons is close to becoming. You fill those empty spots with the MLE, BAE, and draft pick. Also, defensively Simmons guards 1-4 so guys like Carter, Jerome and Payne can be more effective playing off ball on offense and guarding smaller players on the defensive end.
MLE and BAE. We don't have a draft pick. We'll have traded it in the deal for Simmons as this is constructed. So 11 million total to fill the three rotation spots we're subtracting. And that's if we keep Saric and Baynes.
Aside from just roster construction, do you not see what this would do to our shooting? We are sending away 3 players who are plus shooters from 3 for a guy who is a terrible shooter. Our floor spacing would be non-existent. This deal makes NO sense.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?
Any money not spent to the salary floor is distributed to the players on the roster.
we trade back for a future 2nd saving a bit of money with the draft pick we let Baynes and Saric walk sign somebody like WCS for the minimum and bring back Frank for 5
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.
Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.
If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.
What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.
Windhorst wasn't having a take. He stated that is what he is hearing. It fits with Sarvers history.
I understand the cap and that is a good explanation. The problem is that a single win costs about $3 million. Taking $20 million out of the team salary will in all likelihood cost the Suns 4-8 wins.
That is where a competitive team takes a step forward towards the playoffs or falls back to the pack. Keeping Saric and Baynes at large 1+1 deals (like Bobby Marks suggested) retaining Oubre and Carter, and using the full MLE on a vet or vets to fill the remaining hole(s) pushes the salary number towards $125 million to $130 million. In the end, that is the best policy moving forward. Keep both continuity and flexibility while maintaining maximum competitiveness.
If the Suns need to cut the salary back to $115 million they are losing wins in a western conference that is super close in talent between teams 6 through 15. Losing even $10 million in spending on salary equates to 2-4 wins which is a significant issue for a team like the Suns who find themselves right in the middle of that group.
I was just making a joke because windy and Bickley are two of my least favorite media people.
I'm by no means trying to carry water for sarver, I can't stand the guy.
I'm all for the maximum spending plan but as has been discussed here a ton theres no saying Baynes even wants to come back, plenty of legit reasons he would want another situation. If he leaves then there's just not a huge variance in what the suns can spend.
But yeah any act of cheapness should be scorned I was just laying out the parameters of the CBA because some people might have the impression that team payrolls can vary more than is allowed.
Also it's two years from now that the true cheapness could rear it's ugly head and that could be tradgic if the suns are actually good. Let's all hope the wolves sell for some insane number and Bobby decides to cash in.
I agree with that. I don't see Sarver going into the tax. Like you, I hope he is forced to sell before those decisions need to be made.
I understand about Baynes. I would assume that at his age his most pressing concern will be money. He got to the NBA late in his playing life and has made a total of $30 million in his career. I don't see a team offering him more than the MLE and I don't see a team offering a multiyear deal for a 34 year old center.
IDK I think he is very retain-able if the Suns want. You're right that if he is not kept ending up around $115 million is somewhat inevitable. The cascading effect is what hurts. The Suns have to use the MLE (or part of it), the Room Exception or cap space on a backup center instead of a possible upgrade at backup PG or wing. They also have less short term salary to put in a possible trade. ' I just hate Sarver so much. Lol
