PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[Clyde Frazier]

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[GSP]

Everyone that was crapping on Kyrie months ago

[MyUniBroDavis]

If you're the NBA you have to cancel the season. All the players are impassioned about bringing about change, so let them go home to their communities where they can use their platforms to be active, lead protests, put pressure on their local governments, etc.

I support them boycotting the games, but they arent being held hostage in the bubble lol

[Bidofo]

Small but important distinction wrt framing: this should be called a strike, not a boycott.

[parsnips33]

Small but important distinction wrt framing: this should be called a strike, not a boycott.

Absolutely. And you know the NBA would much rather frame this is as a boycott

[Dr Positivity]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

[HeartBreakKid]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

Advocates does bring people together, just not people who are pro all lives matter.

[ardee]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

Advocates does bring people together, just not people who are pro all lives matter.

Imagine thinking being pro the idea that all lives matter is a bad thing.

[No-more-rings]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

The thing dividing people further apart at this point is the burning, looting and rioting. And you have the media and others passing it all off as “peaceful protest”. It’s so sickening at this point. Strangely the whole thing is political even though it really shouldn’t be. I feel so bad for the residents of those cities.

[HeartBreakKid]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

Advocates does bring people together, just not people who are pro all lives matter.

Imagine thinking being pro the idea that all lives matter is a bad thing.

Is that what you think All Lives Matters means? Or are you making a joke?

[RCM88x]

Advocates does bring people together, just not people who are pro all lives matter.

Imagine thinking being pro the idea that all lives matter is a bad thing.

Is that what you think All Lives Matters means? Or are you making a joke?

Regardless the fact that confusion exists on these phrases illustrates why they're problematic.

No one actually understands what they mean unless it personally impacts them or they get lectured on twitter. I think that's why there's such push back against BLM, people don't understand it and the organization of BLM does absolutely nothing to educate the people who don't understand them.

Sure people joke about it on social media and internet forums, but the average voting person is very alienated by these things.

[MisterHibachi]

BLM has been in the news for long enough and has been explained enough that if an "average voting person" doesn't understand it, it's because they don't want to.

[yoyoboy]

I don't blame the players, the blame goes to Adam Silver for not recognizing their religious ferver for BLM beforehand.

I would prefer an NBA that's apolitical personally. Sports should be the thing bringing people together right now not dividing them further apart.

Advocates does bring people together, just not people who are pro all lives matter.

Imagine thinking being pro the idea that all lives matter is a bad thing.

It is a bad thing. Because "all lives matter" doesn't actually represent the idea of all lives mattering or else those people constantly spewing it would actually give a **** about black lives and the enormous social and economic problems their community faces. All lives matter just means: recognizing my privilege and acknowledging the notion that black people need help at this moment makes me uncomfortable so I'm just going to pretend that "black lives matter" means "white lives don't matter" and only make my voice heard when corporations, systemic forces, or white people are the ones being harmed.

[No-more-rings]

The vast majority of blacks lives if not all of them that were taken by police officers were big time criminals.

George Floyd was a career criminal who was high out of his mind at the time of his arrest and subsequent death, who not only was resisting arrest was was acting like a crazy person, watch the leaked footage not just the end of it. The recent Louisiana shooting, the guy was walking towards the store with a knife in hand with obviously the intention to either rob the place or stab someone. I don't think i need to get into the other examples really.

There's obviously police racism and police brutality out there, but at some point we can't keep acting like criminals can do whatever they want without consequence.

Black lives do matter, so why aren't people protesting the fact that blacks kill more blacks than whites do?

[RCM88x]

BLM has been in the news for long enough and has been explained enough that if an "average voting person" doesn't understand it, it's because they don't want to.

I completely disagree. You poll the average voter in the US, a white male in their 60s, they will not be able to explain the meaning and the differences between these terms.

The problem is assuming everyone knows what you know and disregarding those who don't, and blaming them for not being up to speed. It isolates and alienates people increasing division.

[eminence]

So the idea of a protest is generally to get people in power to look at changing some behavior correct? How exactly is a protest against 'crime' supposed to influence the thinking of an everyday criminal?

[No-more-rings]

So the idea of a protest is generally to get people in power to look at changing some behavior correct? How exactly is a protest against 'crime' supposed to influence the thinking of an everyday criminal?

What protests? A lot of them are devolving into rioting, looting, burning business etc. Almost certainly some of the businesses are black owned. That hurts black people more than it helps anyone.

[eminence]

So the idea of a protest is generally to get people in power to look at changing some behavior correct? How exactly is a protest against 'crime' supposed to influence the thinking of an everyday criminal?

What protests? A lot of them are devolving into rioting, looting, burning business etc. Almost certainly some of the businesses are black owned. That hurts black people more than it helps anyone.

You asked:

"Black lives do matter, so why aren't people protesting the fact that blacks kill more blacks than whites do?"

I'm asking how that would work? Seems a bit of a fools errand to me.

[yoyoboy]

The vast majority of blacks lives if not all of them that were taken by police officers were big time criminals.

Irrelevant. Oftentimes the police officers have no idea what their criminal backgrounds were before murdering them, not to mention it's not their job to decide whether or not someone deserves to live regardless of crimes. That's why we have a justice system that allows you to be tried in court. Although I have a problem with the death penalty in general so I'll just stop there.

George Floyd was a career criminal who was high out of his mind at the time of his arrest and subsequent death, who not only was resisting arrest was was acting like a crazy person, watch the leaked footage not just the end of it. The recent Louisiana shooting, the guy was walking towards the store with a knife in hand with obviously the intention to either rob the place or stab someone. I don't think i need to get into the other examples really.

...Did you just try to use being high as justification for why someone should die? Fox News and the War on Drugs have really corrupted your mind if you think someone battling addiction is evil and not worthy of life. His criminal history doesn't warrant being killed on the spot by the way either. Mostly drug charges which from my moral perspective aren't deserving of jail time in the first place. Theft of a person over 20 years earlier. And then armed robbery of a woman in 07 which is obviously the worst one but again that was 13 years prior and he already did the time.

So really what you're saying at the end of the day is the cops were right to kill him in cold blood/stand by and watch the murder because of a freaking $20 counterfeit bill he used after not having any criminal history in over a decade. Also I did watch the footage. At no point was he being at all threatening towards the officers. He was terrified and telling them "please don't shoot me" and he had health issues and I'm sure being high didn't help. It's an officer's duty to be able to handle that situation INFINITELY better and kneeling on a man's neck for close to 10 full minutes while he's stationary on the ground, not posing any harm, and telling you he can't breathe is nothing besides callous disgusting murder.

There's obviously police racism and police brutality out there, but at some point we can't keep acting like criminals can do whatever they want without consequence.

Black lives do matter, so why aren't people protesting the fact that blacks kill more blacks than whites do?

Cops are supposed to be the ones who protect us. Why are you engaging in useless whataboutisms and comparing them to criminals?

And oh we do protest that! You want to know how we do that? We call for mass educational reform, ending the war on drugs, working to eliminate poverty, livable wages, universal health care, and better funding underprivileged areas which all help to combat the actual source of crime which everyone agrees is an issue. Because you know what's the major source of crime? Not having access to the resources you need to support yourself and your family, something that disproportionately affects black people because of this country's extensive history of disgustingly overt and more subtle racist practices from slavery to Jim Crow laws to the GI Bill exclusion to redlining to hiring discrimination supported by many studies to the War on Drugs to underfunding of black comminities and so on. And if your idea of solving the issue is: black people just need to make better decisions and not shoot and rob people! Then you live in more of a bubble than the NBA players.

[MisterHibachi]

BLM has been in the news for long enough and has been explained enough that if an "average voting person" doesn't understand it, it's because they don't want to.

I completely disagree. You poll the average voter in the US, a white male in their 60s, they will not be able to explain the meaning and the differences between these terms.

The problem is assuming everyone knows what you know and disregarding those who don't, and blaming them for not being up to speed. It isolates and alienates people increasing division.

If they don't know the meaning, why would they be hostile to the movement? Shouldn't they be agnostic, and if curious willing to learn more? If they really don't understand what BLM is, they can look it up quite easily.