2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

[UNCNYC]

I am not sure if there really are any GOOD drafting GM's. I do think there are bad drafting GM's tho... I think for the GOOD drafting GM's sometimes luck plays a huge part as well as obvious talent...

[UNCNYC]

as of now my top 5 picks at each spot (pretty much) in order if fell to us would be

PICK 1 - Killian Hayes, Lamelo Ball, Tyrese Haliburton, Tyrell Terry, Deven Dotson

PICK 2 - Zeke Nnaji, Tyler Bey, Leandro Balmoro, JaDen McDaniels, Jalen Smtih

PICK 3 - Karim Mane, LaMar Stevens, Ty'shon Alexander, CJ Elleby, Rayshaun Hammonds

[luciano-davidwesley]

Of the projected top 3 I rate them
Ball/Wiseman roughly equal 1st and Anthony Edwards 3rd. After watching some film of Edwards he doesn’t really impress me.

[-Ian-]

Whatever happens with the NBA bubble, I hope they don't move back the 2020 Draft.

[LofJ]

Whatever happens with the NBA bubble, I hope they don't move back the 2020 Draft.

I don't think it will be pushed back, none of the players drafted are officially part of the league until after they've been drafted and signed to a contract. They don't have any part or say with what's happening in the playoff bubble. The majority of the league's teams have also already been sent home.

[MasterIchiro]

I can totally see the Warriors strong-arming the Knicks for Ball if the Wolves take Edwards. I bet they'd demand 8 + 2021 unprotected 1st + Mitchell Robinson.

Ball could end up the most valuable selection due to Knicks desperation.

Warriors would go Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Draymond - Robinson and go into 2021 with 2 high lottery picks from Minny and NYK.

I'd love to do that deal with the Knicks but I think the Warriors are all over it.

This is why the Wolves will take Ball, they won't let GS walk away with those assets.

Maybe, but the same proposal/offer doesn't make as much sense for the Wolves as they don't need Mitchell Robinson. I guess the Wolves might be happy with 8 + NYK 2021 first? Or maybe they could flip Mitchell Robinson to the Hornets for something (NOT pick 3).

[MasterIchiro]

Of the projected top 3 I rate them
Ball/Wiseman roughly equal 1st and Anthony Edwards 3rd. After watching some film of Edwards he doesn’t really impress me.

This is always puzzling to me but we all have different eyesight. I see an explosive athlete with good form and court vision. His problem is shot selection and feel. His mentality is do dominate and try to do too much, similar to Kemba when Kemba was younger. But if he puts it all together he's an All-Star and key piece of a deep playoff team. Edwards has NBA size and knows how to use his body. This should speed up his development timeline. I suspect Edwards won't fall but ya never know!

[LofJ]

I can totally see the Warriors strong-arming the Knicks for Ball if the Wolves take Edwards. I bet they'd demand 8 + 2021 unprotected 1st + Mitchell Robinson.

Ball could end up the most valuable selection due to Knicks desperation.

Warriors would go Curry - Klay - Wiggins - Draymond - Robinson and go into 2021 with 2 high lottery picks from Minny and NYK.

I'd love to do that deal with the Knicks but I think the Warriors are all over it.

This is why the Wolves will take Ball, they won't let GS walk away with those assets.

Maybe, but the same proposal/offer doesn't make as much sense for the Wolves as they don't need Mitchell Robinson. I guess the Wolves might be happy with 8 + NYK 2021 first? Or maybe they could flip Mitchell Robinson to the Hornets for something (NOT pick 3).

The Wolves don't own their 2021 pick so they would highly value a lightly protected 2021 pick from the Knicks. If they offer that I think they'd have a hard time saying no.

[-Ian-]

Whatever happens with the NBA bubble, I hope they don't move back the 2020 Draft.

I don't think it will be pushed back, none of the players drafted are officially part of the league until after they've been drafted and signed to a contract. They don't have any part or say with what's happening in the playoff bubble. The majority of the league's teams have also already been sent home.

Yes, I know. But there's talk about moving back the free agency/draft because of CBA or something.

[MasterIchiro]

This is why the Wolves will take Ball, they won't let GS walk away with those assets.

Maybe, but the same proposal/offer doesn't make as much sense for the Wolves as they don't need Mitchell Robinson. I guess the Wolves might be happy with 8 + NYK 2021 first? Or maybe they could flip Mitchell Robinson to the Hornets for something (NOT pick 3).

The Wolves don't own their 2021 pick so they would highly value a lightly protected 2021 pick from the Knicks. If they offer that I think they'd have a hard time saying no.

I can see that. Ball becoming a NYK really hinges on their willingness to sacrifice their 2021 pick. Pick 8 and Mitchell Robinson are secondary value in the proposal. Hard to know if the Wolves value Ball enough to reject the NYK 2021 pick + pick 8 + Mitchell Robinson. That's a haul. The Knicks would be making a Godfather offer.

[LofJ]

Whatever happens with the NBA bubble, I hope they don't move back the 2020 Draft.

I don't think it will be pushed back, none of the players drafted are officially part of the league until after they've been drafted and signed to a contract. They don't have any part or say with what's happening in the playoff bubble. The majority of the league's teams have also already been sent home.

Yes, I know. But there's talk about moving back the free agency/draft because of CBA or something.

They aren't going to renegotiate the CBA because of this, that's premature speculation.

[MasterIchiro]

I hope the Knicks make that offer for Ball and the Wolves pull the trigger. It gives the Hornets an inside track to line up a proposal for Mitchell Robinson. If the Warriors acquired Robinson they'd keep him because they need a center. I wonder what Kupchak could do to pry away Mitchell Robinson from the Wolves and what kind of hole it would create that Kupchak could fill with pick 3.

[LofJ]

I hope the Knicks make that offer for Ball and the Wolves pull the trigger. It gives the Hornets an inside track to line up a proposal for Mitchell Robinson. If the Warriors acquired Robinson they'd keep him because they need a center. I wonder what Kupchak could do to pry away Mitchell Robinson from the Wolves and what kind of hole it would create that Kupchak could fill with pick 3.

Miles for Mitchell Robinson?

[MasterIchiro]

How about Bridges for Robinson + Clippers pick with the Knicks sending Bridges to Minnesota?

Knicks form the bedrock of a rebuild pairing Barrett + Ball.

Wolves add 2021 Knicks 1st + Bridges + 8.

Hornets get their center Mitchell Robinson, keep pick 3 and add a late 1st.

This makes most sense if Kupchak is gunning for Avdija as a SF/PF at 3 or Edwards as a SF/SG.

[MasterIchiro]

Maybe the Hornets would have to include pick 32. So Bridges + 32 for Mitchell Robinson + 27.

[Soul Rebel]

I hope the Knicks make that offer for Ball and the Wolves pull the trigger. It gives the Hornets an inside track to line up a proposal for Mitchell Robinson. If the Warriors acquired Robinson they'd keep him because they need a center. I wonder what Kupchak could do to pry away Mitchell Robinson from the Wolves and what kind of hole it would create that Kupchak could fill with pick 3.

For us, I’d prefer Rozier + Bridges....basically building around DG & PJ. IMO, Rozier needs to be moved soon as his value won’t really get much higher. I don’t want to lose Bridges but if it gets us Robinson while allowing us to keep pick 3, I’m for it.

For the Knicks, if they acquire Ball, I don’t see how Rozier helps them. It would also mean Barrett playing more SG than SF.

I REALLY want Robinson and if the NYK added another asset to an 8 + Robinson for 3 deal, I’d be fine with that if Edwards and Wiseman are gone. I really like Vassell from FSU at 8.

[wilson115]

They aren't going to renegotiate the CBA because of this, that's premature speculation.

Not as drastic as renegotiating everything, but they'll need to do something.

Despite current and projected revenue losses affecting the union's 51-49 revenue split with the league, there's optimism that the sides can reach agreements on temporary changes to the CBA -- including the salary-cap and luxury-tax thresholds -- that would preclude the need to enact the nuclear option of terminating the CBA....

Without the NBA and NBPA negotiating a new mechanism for the cap, the league could be facing 25 of its 30 teams stuck in luxury-tax payments based on projected payrolls -- something that would chill free agency and limit many organizations' ability to operate in a normal manner in the marketplace.

For example, the Golden State Warriors' projected tax penalty of $45 million would rise to $160 million before the start of free agency.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29739338/sources-nba-players-union-agree-2nd-push-back-window-preserving-cba-termination-rights

[Soul Rebel]

Hmmmm.....maybe I overvalue Robinson. Haha. I much prefer the scenario where we only lose Bridges, get to keep 3 and get to pick again at 27.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/zachlowe29702176/behind-scenes-weirdest-nba-draft-lottery-ever

There is skepticism among team executives that this draft will take place as scheduled on Oct. 16 -- in part because there is even more skepticism across every sector of the league that free agency will begin as scheduled two days later. (See more in this report from ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.) Obviously, everything about this situation is fluid.

[MasterIchiro]

Hmmmm.....maybe I overvalue Robinson. Haha. I much prefer the scenario where we only lose Bridges, get to keep 3 and get to pick again at 27.

Maybe you also undervalue Bridges. This proposal illustrates the possibility that the Hornets don't need to sacrifice pick 3 for a traditional center. Mitchell Robinson and players like him can be acquired for far less than top 3 picks. This kind of move rules out Wiseman at 3. I don't think the Warriors would take Wiseman at 2 either. Basically if Ball goes 1 then Warriors will not have a prospect they can flip for impact win-now players, forcing them to select a more finished product like Toppin or Avdija. If the Warriors took Toppin 2 then Kupchak could decide between Edwards as a replacement for Bridges or Avdija. If the Warriors took Avdija or Edwards Kupchak would have to really like either as a replacement for Bridges. That means he has to see Edwards as a SF/SG and Avdija as more of a SF than a PF.

So the whole deal is:

Hornets

Mitchell Robinson
Pick 27

Wolves

Miles Bridges
NYK 2021 2st
Pick 8

Knicks

Lamelo Ball
Pick 32

Hornets walk away from the draft with Edwards or Avdija as our new SF, Mitchell Robinson at C and pick 27. We lose Miles Bridges and pick 32.