Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[Jamaaliver]

Does Collins play seriously horrible defense? That's what those on the Minnesota board are saying against him. His offense is very good.

He has been subpar mostly, but there were clear improvements this year.

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[KGdaBom]

Does Collins play seriously horrible defense? That's what those on the Minnesota board are saying against him. His offense is very good.

He has been subpar mostly, but there were clear improvements this year.

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Thanks. Blocks and steals otherwise known as stocks are nice, but they're not a very significant part of defense. I'd be more interested in the efficiency of the player he's guarding.

[CP War Hawks]

I'm onboard with either one the OK boys. I'm looking for prospects that can make plays on both ends.

[King Ken]

Does everybody here value Reddish over Hunter and Huerter?

Yep. Even if you don't believe in Reddish, it's clear he has potential to be more and we all want to see it. With John, he's steady, efficient and productive but we know with his flaws, he's likely not going to be a star. With Cam, it's that possibly that's there plus he's the most naturally talented and gifted member of the team going on the 2nd year of his contract. He's not Trae but trade value wise, him and Trae are as untouchable as it gets for young prospects. Hunter is pretty untouchable too even though he doesn't offer close to the same promise. We just paid a **** for him and finding guys like him are damn near impossible and usually aren't for trade.

John might be our 2nd best player but has the 4th highest trade value. Still, not interested in trading him for any pick in this draft at all.

[KGdaBom]

Does everybody here value Reddish over Hunter and Huerter?

Yep. Even if you don't believe in Reddish, it's clear he has potential to be more and we all want to see it. With John, he's steady, efficient and productive but we know with his flaws, he's likely not going to be a star. With Cam, it's that possibly that's there plus he's the most naturally talented and gifted member of the team going on the 2nd year of his contract. He's not Trae but trade value wise, him and Trae are as untouchable as it gets for young prospects. Hunter is pretty untouchable too even though he doesn't offer close to the same promise. We just paid a **** for him and finding guys like him are damn near impossible and usually aren't for trade.

John might be our 2nd best player but has the 4th highest trade value. Still, not interested in trading him for any pick in this draft at all.

Great so Collins and 6 for #1 overall. Git R Dun.
Seriously you believe that the awesome Hawks have four players that are more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. Wow.

I know Reddish finished strong, but he shot 38% from the field and had an Efg of 46%. Those are horrific efficiency #s.
Collins 58% with 40% 3s 80% FTs amd 63% Efg. I get that his D is subpar.

[King Ken]

Does Collins play seriously horrible defense? That's what those on the Minnesota board are saying against him. His offense is very good.

Horrible no but I can't see him fitting in with KAT either. Collins leaves much to be desired in space. Okongwu probably is your best fit option with KAT

[KGdaBom]

Does Collins play seriously horrible defense? That's what those on the Minnesota board are saying against him. His offense is very good.

Horrible no but I can't see him fitting in with KAT either. Collins leaves much to be desired in space. Okongwu probably is your best fit option with KAT

I love Okongwu. He's #2 on my draft board. However, I would pass on him and Wiseman who's my #1 if we could get Collins and #6. I know that's not going to happen.

[King Ken]

Does everybody here value Reddish over Hunter and Huerter?

Yep. Even if you don't believe in Reddish, it's clear he has potential to be more and we all want to see it. With John, he's steady, efficient and productive but we know with his flaws, he's likely not going to be a star. With Cam, it's that possibly that's there plus he's the most naturally talented and gifted member of the team going on the 2nd year of his contract. He's not Trae but trade value wise, him and Trae are as untouchable as it gets for young prospects. Hunter is pretty untouchable too even though he doesn't offer close to the same promise. We just paid a **** for him and finding guys like him are damn near impossible and usually aren't for trade.

John might be our 2nd best player but has the 4th highest trade value. Still, not interested in trading him for any pick in this draft at all.

Great so Collins and 6 for #1 overall. Git R Dun.
Seriously you believe that the awesome Hawks have four players that are more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. Wow.

I know Reddish finished strong, but he shot 38% from the field and had an Efg of 46%. Those are horrific efficiency #s.
Collins 58% with 40% 3s 80% FTs amd 63% Efg. I get that his D is subpar.

You really can't use full stats to justify values on rookies for the most part. Its about talent, potential, improvement shown and what not and no, no interested in trading JC for anyone in this class.

[KGdaBom]

Yep. Even if you don't believe in Reddish, it's clear he has potential to be more and we all want to see it. With John, he's steady, efficient and productive but we know with his flaws, he's likely not going to be a star. With Cam, it's that possibly that's there plus he's the most naturally talented and gifted member of the team going on the 2nd year of his contract. He's not Trae but trade value wise, him and Trae are as untouchable as it gets for young prospects. Hunter is pretty untouchable too even though he doesn't offer close to the same promise. We just paid a **** for him and finding guys like him are damn near impossible and usually aren't for trade.

John might be our 2nd best player but has the 4th highest trade value. Still, not interested in trading him for any pick in this draft at all.

Great so Collins and 6 for #1 overall. Git R Dun.
Seriously you believe that the awesome Hawks have four players that are more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. Wow.

I know Reddish finished strong, but he shot 38% from the field and had an Efg of 46%. Those are horrific efficiency #s.
Collins 58% with 40% 3s 80% FTs amd 63% Efg. I get that his D is subpar.

You really can't use full stats to justify values on rookies for the most part. Its about talent, potential, improvement shown and what not and no, no interested in trading JC for anyone in this class.

As I said in your mind your great team has 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. I don't think the Lakers, Clippers or Bucks have so many players of great value.

[shakes0]

Hey, buddy ole pal.

And to be fair, I said we aren't trading Collins in a deal for anyone in this draft.

You said you weren't interested in trading up in this draft. You didn't specify that meant only Collins. However, now that that is clarified if we were to trade #1 to you what is the best offer you could make. I'm thinking maybe just maybe we would accept, Reddish, #6 and your 2nd round pick assuming you have it. Not saying we would, but that would be ballpark.

Dude, I wouldn't trade Reddish by himself for the #1 in this draft, let alone Reddish plus pieces.

[kg01]

Great so Collins and 6 for #1 overall. Git R Dun.
Seriously you believe that the awesome Hawks have four players that are more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. Wow.

I know Reddish finished strong, but he shot 38% from the field and had an Efg of 46%. Those are horrific efficiency #s.
Collins 58% with 40% 3s 80% FTs amd 63% Efg. I get that his D is subpar.

You really can't use full stats to justify values on rookies for the most part. Its about talent, potential, improvement shown and what not and no, no interested in trading JC for anyone in this class.

As I said in your mind your great team has 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. I don't think the Lakers, Clippers or Bucks have so many players of great value.

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

[KGdaBom]

And to be fair, I said we aren't trading Collins in a deal for anyone in this draft.

You said you weren't interested in trading up in this draft. You didn't specify that meant only Collins. However, now that that is clarified if we were to trade #1 to you what is the best offer you could make. I'm thinking maybe just maybe we would accept, Reddish, #6 and your 2nd round pick assuming you have it. Not saying we would, but that would be ballpark.

Dude, I wouldn't trade Reddish by himself for the #1 in this draft, let alone Reddish plus pieces.

Yep I have been informed that the mighty Hawks have 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick.

[KGdaBom]

You really can't use full stats to justify values on rookies for the most part. Its about talent, potential, improvement shown and what not and no, no interested in trading JC for anyone in this class.

As I said in your mind your great team has 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. I don't think the Lakers, Clippers or Bucks have so many players of great value.

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

[shakes0]

As I said in your mind your great team has 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. I don't think the Lakers, Clippers or Bucks have so many players of great value.

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

[kg01]

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

Seems clear he's just here to be 'that guy'. Not a serious conversation anymore.

[shakes0]

You said you weren't interested in trading up in this draft. You didn't specify that meant only Collins. However, now that that is clarified if we were to trade #1 to you what is the best offer you could make. I'm thinking maybe just maybe we would accept, Reddish, #6 and your 2nd round pick assuming you have it. Not saying we would, but that would be ballpark.

Dude, I wouldn't trade Reddish by himself for the #1 in this draft, let alone Reddish plus pieces.

Yep I have been informed that the mighty Hawks have 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick.

Good job. Now you just need to become informed as to the weakness of this draft, especially at the top, and you'll have all the information you need to catch up.

When Ant "I had a lot of bad games this year" Edwards is the top prize you know the draft has issues.

[kg01]

Good job. Now you just need to become informed as to the weakness of this draft, especially at the top, and you'll have all the information you need to catch up.

When Ant "I had a lot of bad games this year" Edwards is the top prize you know the draft has issues.

My goodness. I dropped him a tier on my 'board' after that 5 second clip. Like, did no one coach him on what to say? Surely they should've anticipated that's the type of question he was gonna be asked. He literally could've said anything other than that and it would've been ok. He found the exact wrong answer and doubled down on it mid-response.

Hopefully, for his own sake, he doesn't talk to teams' GM's like that. If he does, we'll see him drop.

I'm hard on him because I'm just not a fan, but even his most ardent supporters had to cringe at that.

[KGdaBom]

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

Seems clear he's just here to be 'that guy'. Not a serious conversation anymore.

Not being that guy. Looking for serious conversation. As far as potential trade partners it almost never gets better than the trade match that the Wolves would be with the Hawks. However, since #1 overall and the option to pick Edwards seems to have no value to Hawks fans on this board it appears that serious conversation isn't an option.

[KGdaBom]

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

You could say there's no such thing as a glut at any position I guess, but the option to turn one of those SFs into a potential (yes potential) all star SG presents itself IMO it should be strongly considered.

[KGdaBom]

Dude, I wouldn't trade Reddish by himself for the #1 in this draft, let alone Reddish plus pieces.

Yep I have been informed that the mighty Hawks have 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick.

Good job. Now you just need to become informed as to the weakness of this draft, especially at the top, and you'll have all the information you need to catch up.

When Ant "I had a lot of bad games this year" Edwards is the top prize you know the draft has issues.

I loved that quote. It was a breath of fresh air. Probably raised him a notch or two in my estimation. However, IMO Edwards is not the top prize in this draft. Wiseman is and I'm hoping my Wolves take him, unless we can trade back get a good asset and still get Okongwu.