Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[8516knicks]

I don't know man; if we get FVV, Kennard just makes sense in between him and RJ at the 2.

He can shoot the lights out the ball, and he's a really good secondary playmaker. FVV and Kennard would be a perfect backcourt behind an RJ & Mitch led frontcourt.

Even if we got the best possible available power forward to play with those four, and we need one, say Blake Griffith? - we're looking at a first round playoff and out team at best, no? RJ should be our 3rd or 4th option if/when we are a playoff team.

[Esq-4]

Bored and in the mood to brainstorm trade ideas that won’t happen.

Charlotte needs talent bad, Timberwolves are chilling and probably don’t mind trading a back a few times to fill out roster after trading for DLo & we still lowkey want LaMelo.

Hornets get: #1 pick (to draft Edwards)
Knicks get: #3 pick and Nicolas Batum
Wolves get: #8 pick, Malik Monk, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, pick #27 & Hornets 2021 1st (top 3 protected)

Alter it and try it make it better

I think MIN is better off with Edwards or Ball than what they'd be getting in the trade. GS is also too much of a wild card at 2. They could see Ball as a fit with his play making, plus the guy to learn and eventually take over. Or, they can trade it to a team that wants Ball. Plus, there is a good chance Edwards is still on the board at 3, so no need for CHA to move up.

[NYG]

Sign Davis Bertans and Joe Harris
Julius Randle and one of the Mavs picks sign and trade for Christian Wood
Dennis Smith Jr., Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox and the other Mavs pick sign and trade for FVV

C-Mitchell Robinson
PF-Davis Bertans
SF-Joe Harris
SG-R.J. Barrett
PG-Fred VanVleet
Bench: Christian Wood, 8th Overall, 27th Overall, Cap MLE

That gives you a lot of versatile line-up options and the floor would be well spaced with all those shooting threats on the floor.

[a-French-Fan]

Sign Davis Bertans and Joe Harris
Julius Randle and one of the Mavs picks sign and trade for Christian Wood
Dennis Smith Jr., Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox and the other Mavs pick sign and trade for FVV

C-Mitchell Robinson
PF-Davis Bertans
SF-Joe Harris
SG-R.J. Barrett
PG-Fred VanVleet
Bench: Christian Wood, 8th Overall, 27th Overall, Cap MLE

That gives you a lot of versatile line-up options and the floor would be well spaced with all those shooting threats on the floor.

+1 because you trade Frank ^^

[-YogiBiz-]

I don't know man; if we get FVV, Kennard just makes sense in between him and RJ at the 2.

He can shoot the lights out the ball, and he's a really good secondary playmaker. FVV and Kennard would be a perfect backcourt behind an RJ & Mitch led frontcourt.

Even if we got the best possible available power forward to play with those four, and we need one, say Blake Griffith? - we're looking at a first round playoff and out team at best, no? RJ should be our 3rd or 4th option if/when we are a playoff team.

Barrett has the potential to be a quality #2 spot #1 scorer in this league. If his 3 starts falling he’s an animal. Big if but that’s should be what he’s working on the most right now. Ja and Zion were special year 1 type players. RJ was always viewed as a project cause his jumper was whack. Plus he’s a good big playmaker. So he should evolve in that regard to. If everything goes right, he could be a 20/5/5 while playing solid, to spectacular at times, defense.

Rose and company want to see what they have and are eyeing players that’ll highlight RJ’s strengths more. Thibs is gonna develop these young cats and hopefully put the ball in RJ’s hands more.

Notice how both the Grizzlies and Pelicans acquired players that would fit with their rookies when the lottery finished. We brought in a bunch of guys that occupy the same area our rookie plays best in, and not even well at that.

[sol537]

Draft Vassell. Sign FVV to 3-4 year deal. Sign Jerami Grant to 1+1 team option deal. Package remaining 2020 picks and cash/cap to get another top 20 pick and get the best remaining PG prospect like Kira Lewis.

A man can dream...

[jermsknicks]

Draft Vassell. Sign FVV to 3-4 year deal. Sign Jerami Grant to 1+1 team option deal. Package remaining 2020 picks and cash/cap to get another top 20 pick and get the best remaining PG prospect like Kira Lewis.

A man can dream...

I like the idea of trading the remaining picks after selecting at #8, but try to trade the picks for 1st rounders in 2021.

My dream would be to have 3 1st round picks in 2021. Just in case we wanted to move up a spot or two next draft.

[shrink]

You think the Wolves would take Randle 27 & 38 for Johnson and 17?

Seems like less useful player that costs more money who's contract expires in the same year as Johnson, but he also is owed 5 million the year after (guaranteed)

I've been thinking about a deal like that and I think it makes sense

While we are down on Randle, objectively he is a better player than James Johnson, and could be a useful 3rd/4th option for them. here he was miscast as the #1 option

and Wolves fans seem to think so too; I've seen more than one Wolves fan propose this
https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2020/08/11/minnesota-timberwolves-3-trades-new-york-knicks/3/

I don’t think you’d find much love for this trade over on the Wolves board.

DunkingwithWolves is not a great site for detailed Wolves info. They mention that the Wolves haven’t run with a true PF. That is very intentional. Rosas wants a 5-out system so that they can maximize Towns inside-outside game. They don’t want a true PF, because opposing coaches can put a big slow defender down low. Heck, last year, Utah was forced to play Gobert man-to-man out on the perimeter vs Towns.

Next, MIN has roster size problems, with 18 players for 15 slots, so a 2 for 3 is painful. Adding the 27 and especially the 38 makes things worse.

Finally, James Johnson was surprisingly much better than expected. Well, much better than everyone except Rosas expected, since he had a relationship with him when they were both down at Houston’s G-League team. He has reportedly been a good influence on Towns off the court (who’d a thunk it?).

Rosas will likely try to upgrade the PF spot .. re-signing Juancho won’t be enough. But he Has been committed to a one-big system, and will probably be looking for a larger wing with 3-and-d abilities who is Towns age or younger. Randall doesn’t fit that.

[shrink]

I'm curious whether getting the #1 pick (likely Edwards) makes it less likely the Wolves match an offer on Beasley

It’s an interesting idea, but I would guess not. Rosas invested the HOU 1st (then #24) to gain Malik Beasley’s Bird Rights, to keep their MLE available. Beasley played well for them in a starting role, and wanted to stay. MIN also has a serious lack of talented players on the team, and will likely try to fix that situation financially to help make the team more successful to aid in a sale of the franchise.

If you’re looking for a number, I’d expect the Wolves would offer a little over the MLE, maybe $11/$12/$13. I could be wrong, but I expect lower Covid revenues to significantly depress free agent offers, especially with much better players available in 2021. Beasley turned down a 3-for-$30 extension with Denver, so he needs a bigger number than that. Perhaps if NYK wanted to go higher MIN would refuse to match, but this is the way teams get stuck with bad contracts.

Plus there is a real possibility MIN trades the #1, which makes Beasley important again.

[F N 11]

Apparently we want Justin Holiday back. I would love him.

[Jose7]

Apparently we want Justin Holiday back. I would love him.

Meh..yeah he's much better than bullock, Ellington, abomination. Would rather see those minutes and shots go to Dotson/Peters/etc. Guess we'll have to see how the draft shakes out. We may end up trading for even drafting multiple wings.

[Richard4444]

Sign Davis Bertans and Joe Harris
Julius Randle and one of the Mavs picks sign and trade for Christian Wood
Dennis Smith Jr., Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox and the other Mavs pick sign and trade for FVV

C-Mitchell Robinson
PF-Davis Bertans
SF-Joe Harris
SG-R.J. Barrett
PG-Fred VanVleet
Bench: Christian Wood, 8th Overall, 27th Overall, Cap MLE

That gives you a lot of versatile line-up options and the floor would be well spaced with all those shooting threats on the floor.

Why do we have to sign and trade for Wood and FVV? They are UFA and we have cap space.

[Richard4444]

Draft Vassell. Sign FVV to 3-4 year deal. Sign Jerami Grant to 1+1 team option deal. Package remaining 2020 picks and cash/cap to get another top 20 pick and get the best remaining PG prospect like Kira Lewis.

A man can dream...

I like the idea of trading the remaining picks after selecting at #8, but try to trade the picks for 1st rounders in 2021.

My dream would be to have 3 1st round picks in 2021. Just in case we wanted to move up a spot or two next drafts.

The expectation is that teams will try everything possible to save money this year due to the reduction of the salary cap and the drop in revenue, including trading picks for cash consideration and cap relief.

Teams can anticipate the smaller salary cap and plan better to 2021 and maybe they will not be so aggressive saving money at the time.

Anyway, I think this year we don't have premium prospects (sure stars and superstars prospects). But I believe we will have around 20 to 30 good players. It's a great opportunity to be aggressive in this draft.

[LookToShoot]

You guys still want FVV in NY? I don't. He's a product of playing next to Lowry. Knicks need to trade for Schroder.

[mg]

I pass on FVV..
Draft Hayes (trade up a few slots if necessary) and then sign a cheaper vet backup.

[bigfnjoe96]

The expectation is that teams will try everything possible to save money this year due to the reduction of the salary cap and the drop in revenue, including trading picks for cash consideration and cap relief.

Teams can anticipate the smaller salary cap and plan better to 2021 and maybe they will not be so aggressive saving money at the time.

The salary cap isn't going down, with salaries where they're at. If anything the cap will probably stay the same to maintain competitive balance



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[Richard4444]

The expectation is that teams will try everything possible to save money this year due to the reduction of the salary cap and the drop in revenue, including trading picks for cash consideration and cap relief.

Teams can anticipate the smaller salary cap and plan better to 2021 and maybe they will not be so aggressive saving money at the time.

The salary cap isn't going down, with salaries where they're at. If anything the cap will probably stay the same to maintain competitive balance

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Maybe the salary cap stays the same. But teams were expecting an increase to 116M and that the luxury tax line would be almost140M. Now they have to cut salaries.

[Fat]

Expectations vanvleet and bertans

Reality dj Augustin and Carmelo

[thebuzzardman]

The expectation is that teams will try everything possible to save money this year due to the reduction of the salary cap and the drop in revenue, including trading picks for cash consideration and cap relief.

Teams can anticipate the smaller salary cap and plan better to 2021 and maybe they will not be so aggressive saving money at the time.

The salary cap isn't going down, with salaries where they're at. If anything the cap will probably stay the same to maintain competitive balance

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Maybe the salary cap stays the same. But teams were expecting an increase to 116M and that the luxury tax line would be almost140M. Now they have to cut salaries.

I'm looking for this FO to impress me right away.
Sure, sometimes a group of people need some time to adjust, to gel with each other.
But Rose was hired for connections. WWW for connections. To be smart about basketball and hire smarter people. Aller is supposed to be a cap genius. Perrin and Zanin have good reputations, whatever that means.

So, with the Knicks one of, what, 3 or 4 teams with cap space, some assets (though not great), already 2 picks in this draft, I'm looking for this FO to prove itself immediately.

Will I think "oh, they suck" if they don't make some moves? No, because right away is a little rough. But it will start me on the road to being concerned.

If Rose/WWW are all that, if Aller is this cap guru, then in a season where there are a number of teams under financial constraints/cap implications and also a couple of teams with 2 first round picks, and in a draft without top end talent but a lot of parity, I'm looking for movement from the Knicks. Taking on salary for picks. Getting extra picks. Dealing Frank or DSJr out in a smart way. Picking the right vets to fill out the team. Making a strong play for FVV IF he's the right guy. And so on.

I just want to see a Knick FO be impressive for once.
The hirings SEEM good, FO and coaching wise.
Now show us something.
Make some noise.
Do something.

[Jalen Bluntson]

NBA gonna have to do away with that luxury tax. Somehow. Hard cap with no tax...whatever it takes. Times are tough and that tax is gonna kill teams.