Trade Ideas Thread

[djFan71]

Keep Hayward and draft "better" with the non-lottery picks (or get lucky I guess?). Miami got Duncan Robinson. Toronto got Powell and Anunoby for freaking Greivis Vazquez. Apart from drafting Siakam with a late first. Nuggets have had "luck" with their non-lottery picks too. Draymond became an integral part of a title team as a 2nd rounder. You get my drift.

Imagine if we hit just one instead of getting the following the past 5 drafts (not including last draft):
• Robert Williams - TBD, could turn into a rotation player if he stays healthy
• Semi Ojeleye - easily replaceable
• Kadeem Allen - out of the league (OOTL)
• Jabari Bird - OOTL
• Guerschon Yabusele - OOTL
• Ante Zizic - OOTL
• Demetrius Jackson - OOTL
• Ben Bentil - OOTL
• Abdel Nader - OKC found a use for him; has played 51 total playoff minutes in 3 seasons
• Terry Rozier - this was a good pick, imo; playoff starter in 2018 ECF run
• RJ Hunter - OOTL
• Jordan Mickey - OOTL
• Marcus Thornton - OOTL
• James Young - OOTL

Preach. That's what kind scares me about the keep Hayward and hit low picks approach though... we haven't really show a proclivity for that. Though Grant seems good (not as good as Clarke, but...).

[zoyathedestroya]

Keep Hayward and draft "better" with the non-lottery picks (or get lucky I guess?). Miami got Duncan Robinson. Toronto got Powell and Anunoby for freaking Greivis Vazquez. Apart from drafting Siakam with a late first. Nuggets have had "luck" with their non-lottery picks too. Draymond became an integral part of a title team as a 2nd rounder. You get my drift.

Imagine if we hit just one instead of getting the following the past 5 drafts (not including last draft):
• Robert Williams - TBD, could turn into a rotation player if he stays healthy
• Semi Ojeleye - easily replaceable
• Kadeem Allen - out of the league (OOTL)
• Jabari Bird - OOTL
• Guerschon Yabusele - OOTL
• Ante Zizic - OOTL
• Demetrius Jackson - OOTL
• Ben Bentil - OOTL
• Abdel Nader - OKC found a use for him; has played 51 total playoff minutes in 3 seasons
• Terry Rozier - this was a good pick, imo; playoff starter in 2018 ECF run
• RJ Hunter - OOTL
• Jordan Mickey - OOTL
• Marcus Thornton - OOTL
• James Young - OOTL

Preach. That's what kind scares me about the keep Hayward and hit low picks approach though... we haven't really show a proclivity for that. Though Grant seems good (not as good as Clarke, but...).

Sorry for that moment of weakness. Can't shake off that little what-if sometimes. My "proposal" isn't helpful at all and doesn't even belong in this thread lol. But how easier it would be to trade Hayward if we already had a suitable and capable replacement waiting in the wings right now. And I don't mean the wishful thinking that Langford could magically replicate Gordo's impact by next season.

Hey maybe winning the title THIS YEAR without Hayward would change my mind about keeping him. Rooting for the kids specifically Langford and the Williams twins to make significant contributions the next couple of weeks.

[100proof]

Hayward and 30 to Dallas
James Johnson, Vincent Poirier and #18 to Sacramento
Delon Wright, THJ and Enes Kanter to Minny
Hield and Naz Reid to Boston.

Dallas improves wing
Kings add a pick and shed salary
Minny improves depth and adds a shooter on the wing.
Boston adds a young dead eye shooter for the starting sg spot, pick up a young big with loads of potential.



Still have the 14th (Barrett) and 26th pick (T. Bey). which should fill the missing depth, Team salary prior the picks is 126 million, so should have some MLE to use as well.

Kemba/Smart/Barrett
Hield/Langford
Brown/Semi/Bey
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Reid/TImelord

[hugepatsfan]

Reading through most of our trade proposals, seems like most of us are being pretty consistent on what we want to include. Everyone here seems willing to give up the late 1sts. Everyone seems open to the idea of moving Hayward. People are willing to move on from Kanter it seems. Poirier/Edwards people are willing to dump because Waters/Fall are more popular.

I'm curious how willing Ainge will be to include the other, more valuable pieces. #14 pick, Rob Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford... are those pieces on the table for upgrades around the core pieces? Even Theis, his modest salary and good production could be something we have to send back to make a deal work for the right guy. Kemba trade isn't practical, lmfao at trading Tatum, Brown is incredibly unlikely to be moved and would be tough to get value for Smart. But those other young pieces could realistically be parts of deals and would be interesting to see if Ainge would be willing.

Most of the deals we talk about as fans we just debate the financials. But no one really posts deals that we really have to debate if we're giving up too much. That means most of what we're posting is probably unrealistic haha

[zoyathedestroya]

Not that I'd personally do it. It feels sacrilege to do so. Just gauging trade value... So bad at this.

Will Kemba get you the Knicks' 8th pick? (Kemba comes back home. Maybe with Thibs, Robinson, and Barrett they become a playoff team so we don't really do Walker a disservice.)

So something like Kemba, 26, 30 for Randle, Ntilikina, Bullock, 8. Waive Bullock (non-guaranteed). Randle (expiring) can be re-routed. Draft potential replacement of Kemba with 8 and have Frank or Smart be PG for the meantime.

Not sure how much we save. If that's enough to dodge the tax. But Hayward could be salvaged in this scenario?

[Bleeding Green]

Hayward and 30 to Dallas
James Johnson, Vincent Poirier and #18 to Sacramento
Delon Wright, THJ and Enes Kanter to Minny
Hield and Naz Reid to Boston.

Dallas improves wing
Kings add a pick and shed salary
Minny improves depth and adds a shooter on the wing.
Boston adds a young dead eye shooter for the starting sg spot, pick up a young big with loads of potential.



Still have the 14th (Barrett) and 26th pick (T. Bey). which should fill the missing depth, Team salary prior the picks is 126 million, so should have some MLE to use as well.

Kemba/Smart/Barrett
Hield/Langford
Brown/Semi/Bey
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Reid/TImelord

Who is Barrett? Hield would be the second-oldest player on this team.

[100proof]

Hayward and 30 to Dallas
James Johnson, Vincent Poirier and #18 to Sacramento
Delon Wright, THJ and Enes Kanter to Minny
Hield and Naz Reid to Boston.

Dallas improves wing
Kings add a pick and shed salary
Minny improves depth and adds a shooter on the wing.
Boston adds a young dead eye shooter for the starting sg spot, pick up a young big with loads of potential.



Still have the 14th (Barrett) and 26th pick (T. Bey). which should fill the missing depth, Team salary prior the picks is 126 million, so should have some MLE to use as well.

Kemba/Smart/Barrett
Hield/Langford
Brown/Semi/Bey
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Reid/TImelord

Who is Barrett? Hield would be the second-oldest player on this team.

I mean hampton.
Dont know why I was thinking RJ barret...

He is 27, he is younger than Kemba, Theis and Kaneter
8 months older than Green, 10 months older than poirier, I certainly wouldnt say he is old.

And he is a superb 3pt shooter. Strong and is a solid enough defender. IMO would be a lethal 3 point shooter here, and would more than hold his own defensively when compared to him replacing Hayward. I think I prefer Buddy to THJ.

[Bleeding Green]

Sorry didn't mean to say he was old, just that he's definitely not young and wouldn't expect him to get any better. Good call on Theis, thought he was still 27. Seems like a worse team than just keeping Hayward to me and now you've got another 20mm per year guy who is just OK on the roster, although it's kind of nice that his salary is regressive year over year. He's absolutely better than THJ at least.

[hugepatsfan]

Buddy is a terrible defender. He'd be a great floor spacer but him and Kemba would be a terrible backcourt pairing and prevent us from running the switchable defensive scheme that's consistently yielded results. Hayward is actually a good defender despite perception that he's any sort of liability. Don't think we could be a champiosnhip defense making that swap.

If we had never signed Kemba and Smart was the starting PG then I think it could work. But as we're built now with Kemba, I just don't see it. Can't have two poor, undersized defenders and switch like we do. And Hield isn't a good enough player to totally shift philosophy that's yielded terrific results. I just don't see that as a fit at all. I think Harrison Barnes would be a much better target for us from Sacramento.

[100proof]

Buddy is a terrible defender. He'd be a great floor spacer but him and Kemba would be a terrible backcourt pairing and prevent us from running the switchable defensive scheme that's consistently yielded results. Hayward is actually a good defender despite perception that he's any sort of liability. Don't think we could be a champiosnhip defense making that swap.

If we had never signed Kemba and Smart was the starting PG then I think it could work. But as we're built now with Kemba, I just don't see it. Can't have two poor, undersized defenders and switch like we do. And Hield isn't a good enough player to totally shift philosophy that's yielded terrific results. I just don't see that as a fit at all. I think Harrison Barnes would be a much better target for us from Sacramento.

He has the tools to be a far better defender than he was in Sactown.

I think taking some offensive burden away will improve his defense, which has been solid in the past.

6foot 10 wingspan, 8foot 5 reach is excellent 6foot 5 is not undersized and I think playing with the likes of Smart, Brown, Tatum etc under Steven's tutulige makes him better.

Kemba has been very excellent on defense here, and he has always been a pretty bad defender. Even Kyrie was a very effective defender for us when he was here.

[djFan71]

For fun since they'd never trade him to us, but:

IND: Hayward, Langford for Oladipo, Lamb, McDermott, Leaf
BOS: Simmons, McDermott, Leaf for Hayward, Langford, 14, 30, BOS 21
PHI: Oladipo, Lamb, 14, 30, BOS 21 for Simmons

IND unloads some contracts, and still gets two great wings who happen to be natives.
PHI gets Oladipo, Lamb and 3 picks.

We get:

Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Simmons, Theis
Smart, McDermott, Grant, Kanter
Edwards, Leaf, Timelord, 26

I didn't bother doing the money, but we're well in the tax, but obviously going all in. That defense would be amazing.

[Ernest]

Seems like the days of trading one star for another area almost over. I do remember a recent example or two, but seems like it used to be the norm and now it's the exception.

[Fencer reregistered]

Seems like the days of trading one star for another area almost over. I do remember a recent example or two, but seems like it used to be the norm and now it's the exception.

Westbrook/CP3?
PG13/Oladipo?
Kawhi/DeRozan?

[soxfan2003]

Seems like the days of trading one star for another area almost over. I do remember a recent example or two, but seems like it used to be the norm and now it's the exception.

Compared to the 70's and even 80's much more free agency freedom for the players has probably curtailed the trades of stars for stars of equal value.

Nowadays when 2 stars are in a trade usually one of them has much higher value than the other and it is balanced out by draft picks.
Not saying this didn't happen in the past but it does appear as though the dynamics of trades have changed a bit compared to the past.

[Ernest]

Seems like the days of trading one star for another area almost over. I do remember a recent example or two, but seems like it used to be the norm and now it's the exception.

Compared to the 70's and even 80's much more free agency freedom for the players has probably curtailed the trades of stars for stars of equal value.

Nowadays when 2 stars are in a trade usually one of them has much higher value than the other and it is balanced out by draft picks.
Not saying this didn't happen in the past but it does appear as though the dynamics of trades have changed a bit compared to the past.

Yeah, Glenn Rice for Mourning, Kemp for Baker... actually, maybe I'm wrong. I had a bunch of trades in my head that a quick google search proved were just my imagnation. I really thought there was a Kidd for Marbury trade for example.

[Fencer reregistered]

Seems like the days of trading one star for another area almost over. I do remember a recent example or two, but seems like it used to be the norm and now it's the exception.

Compared to the 70's and even 80's much more free agency freedom for the players has probably curtailed the trades of stars for stars of equal value.

Nowadays when 2 stars are in a trade usually one of them has much higher value than the other and it is balanced out by draft picks.
Not saying this didn't happen in the past but it does appear as though the dynamics of trades have changed a bit compared to the past.

Yeah, Glenn Rice for Mourning, Kemp for Baker... actually, maybe I'm wrong. I had a bunch of trades in my head that a quick google search proved were just my imagnation. I really thought there was a Kidd for Marbury trade for example.

I think Cassell for Marbury actually happened, and Jerry Stackhouse for Theo Ratliff (plus later Ratliff for Mutombo). Wilt was traded twice. Kareem, Moses Malone and Barkley were traded as well. And of course Gary Payton was traded for Ray Allen.

That said, draft picks have always been a big part of trading. Bill Russell came in a pick trade. McHale and Parish came in a pick trade. That pick was acquired in a trade for Bob McAdoo, who was acquired for picks. Garnett of course came in in a trade for picks and prospects, and went out in a trade for picks. The aforementioned Allen was acquired for a pick. And Joe Johnson went out as a prospect bringing back vets.

[Dogen]

Buddy is a terrible defender. He'd be a great floor spacer but him and Kemba would be a terrible backcourt pairing and prevent us from running the switchable defensive scheme that's consistently yielded results. Hayward is actually a good defender despite perception that he's any sort of liability. Don't think we could be a champiosnhip defense making that swap.

If we had never signed Kemba and Smart was the starting PG then I think it could work. But as we're built now with Kemba, I just don't see it. Can't have two poor, undersized defenders and switch like we do. And Hield isn't a good enough player to totally shift philosophy that's yielded terrific results. I just don't see that as a fit at all. I think Harrison Barnes would be a much better target for us from Sacramento.

He has the tools to be a far better defender than he was in Sactown.

I think taking some offensive burden away will improve his defense, which has been solid in the past.

6foot 10 wingspan, 8foot 5 reach is excellent 6foot 5 is not undersized and I think playing with the likes of Smart, Brown, Tatum etc under Steven's tutulige makes him better.

Kemba has been very excellent on defense here, and he has always been a pretty bad defender. Even Kyrie was a very effective defender for us when he was here.

100proof, I think Sacto would pass on your initial offer, but I'd do that deal. Hield would be a great fit in Boston. I know it seems like an overpay to not start him but if he could be sold on the classic C's sixth man role I really like that move. Kemba is starting to be time managed more due to age and injury. If Gordon is gone and Smart starts with Kemba, Hield as first off the bench gives you a great combo between him and Smart, not losing anything offensively with Kemba out. Find a decent defensive PG at #14 this year and the backcourt is set for the next few years, maybe something like Kemba/Smart/Hield/Maxey.

Kemba and Hield together in a close game in the 4th is very potent offensively. Add Brown and Tatum and there's going to be an open shot. We've seen what Hield can do in that situation, the only question might be is there enough ball to go around but I think Hield's character is the type that if he has a chance to be on a winning team he will make the sacrifices and also up his D since he would need to spend as much energy on the offensive end with the Celtics.

[hugepatsfan]

Buddy is a terrible defender. He'd be a great floor spacer but him and Kemba would be a terrible backcourt pairing and prevent us from running the switchable defensive scheme that's consistently yielded results. Hayward is actually a good defender despite perception that he's any sort of liability. Don't think we could be a champiosnhip defense making that swap.

If we had never signed Kemba and Smart was the starting PG then I think it could work. But as we're built now with Kemba, I just don't see it. Can't have two poor, undersized defenders and switch like we do. And Hield isn't a good enough player to totally shift philosophy that's yielded terrific results. I just don't see that as a fit at all. I think Harrison Barnes would be a much better target for us from Sacramento.

He has the tools to be a far better defender than he was in Sactown.

I think taking some offensive burden away will improve his defense, which has been solid in the past.

6foot 10 wingspan, 8foot 5 reach is excellent 6foot 5 is not undersized and I think playing with the likes of Smart, Brown, Tatum etc under Steven's tutulige makes him better.

Kemba has been very excellent on defense here, and he has always been a pretty bad defender. Even Kyrie was a very effective defender for us when he was here.

100proof, I think Sacto would pass on your initial offer, but I'd do that deal. Hield would be a great fit in Boston. I know it seems like an overpay to not start him but if he could be sold on the classic C's sixth man role I really like that move. Kemba is starting to be time managed more due to age and injury. If Gordon is gone and Smart starts with Kemba, Hield as first off the bench gives you a great combo between him and Smart, not losing anything offensively with Kemba out. Find a decent defensive PG at #14 this year and the backcourt is set for the next few years, maybe something like Kemba/Smart/Hield/Maxey.

Kemba and Hield together in a close game in the 4th is very potent offensively. Add Brown and Tatum and there's going to be an open shot. We've seen what Hield can do in that situation, the only question might be is there enough ball to go around but I think Hield's character is the type that if he has a chance to be on a winning team he will make the sacrifices and also up his D since he would need to spend as much energy on the offensive end with the Celtics.

The kings were struggling all year. They moved Hield into the 6th man role you want with Bogdonovich starting. And then the team started making a big playoff push. Throughout it all Hield kept whining and bitching. Not sure he’s take the role you want.

[Dogen]

I liked the idea of adding backcourt bench offense/point skills with the lotto pick (Maxey, Anthony, Bey, Nesmith), but if the C's actually went after Hield (using 100Proof's template here) that would solve the offensive need. Considering two picks are left, that makes #14 available for high upside front court help in Achiuwa. There might be some PG value later in the draft, such as Théo Maledon.

Smart/Maledon/Waters
Kemba/Hield/Langford
Brown/Achiuwa/Semi
Tatum/Grant
Theis/Timelord/Reid

[Dogen]

He has the tools to be a far better defender than he was in Sactown.

I think taking some offensive burden away will improve his defense, which has been solid in the past.

6foot 10 wingspan, 8foot 5 reach is excellent 6foot 5 is not undersized and I think playing with the likes of Smart, Brown, Tatum etc under Steven's tutulige makes him better.

Kemba has been very excellent on defense here, and he has always been a pretty bad defender. Even Kyrie was a very effective defender for us when he was here.

100proof, I think Sacto would pass on your initial offer, but I'd do that deal. Hield would be a great fit in Boston. I know it seems like an overpay to not start him but if he could be sold on the classic C's sixth man role I really like that move. Kemba is starting to be time managed more due to age and injury. If Gordon is gone and Smart starts with Kemba, Hield as first off the bench gives you a great combo between him and Smart, not losing anything offensively with Kemba out. Find a decent defensive PG at #14 this year and the backcourt is set for the next few years, maybe something like Kemba/Smart/Hield/Maxey.

Kemba and Hield together in a close game in the 4th is very potent offensively. Add Brown and Tatum and there's going to be an open shot. We've seen what Hield can do in that situation, the only question might be is there enough ball to go around but I think Hield's character is the type that if he has a chance to be on a winning team he will make the sacrifices and also up his D since he would need to spend as much energy on the offensive end with the Celtics.

The kings were struggling all year. They moved Hield into the 6th man role you want with Bogdonovich starting. And then the team started making a big playoff push. Throughout it all Hield kept whining and bitching. Not sure he’s take the role you want.

That may be true, I haven't followed the Kings roller coaster much, and have mentally attributed the struggles to poor leadership off the court. Hield has always been sold as a high character guy, so the whiny bitch take is news to me, although if there's not any truth to it he's probably not on the trade block.

But a change of scenery might turn his frown upside down. Kings are clearly one of the more disfunctional teams these past few years. Coming to Boston and being in that great lineage of Celtic sixth men, with the understanding that he'll very likely be on the floor when the game is on the line for a team with actual aspirations deep into the playoffs could make a world of difference. Maybe the issue would be that he considers himself a bigger star than he is. Here, he could certainly be a closer/clutch guy, but would need to adjust his role to understand that Tatum and Kemba are options 1A & B. Hayward and Brown have made that adjustment fairly successfully; I hope that Hield hasn't become a primadonna already.