2020 NBA Draft prospects

[urinesane]

Long ass post from the other thread, but I think it's relevant.

I personally think he's more talented than the other guys slated to go at the top. If he turns into a Chris Bosh type player, you have a pretty incredible duo down low that can hit their FTs and at least one of them is deadly from outside (though Wiseman's form looks really smooth imo, so he should be able to at least be a threat from three).

7ft guys with athleticism, coordination, and the ability to learn can still greatly impact the game, they just have to be able to shoot the three and not be big slow ogres. The game has gone small, because it's easier to teach three point shooting than that kind of height mixed with guard like skill sets.

If Wiseman can be that type of player he opens up way more possibilities/advantages over the current style of play, that I don't think Edwards or Ball have the possibility of doing, even if they become star players at their positions.

If you take a swing, you may as well go for one that if it works, could put the Wolves in a position to contend for a solid chunk of time.

Maybe none of the three will be good, or maybe all of them will. Maybe Ball/Edwards go onto to being awesome players for years to come and Wiseman never reaches his potential, maybe a Whiteside-esque guy. I think it's worth it to take the shot at something special, than hoping two guards can greatly improve giant holes in their games and become stars.

Also, I think a guy like Wiseman is a much better fit with KAT than the other two.

KAT gets his points in a myriad of ways and won't be effected by another big down low, except for it taking some of the rebounding, shot blocking, and physical wear and tear off him. Wiseman won't have to have any offense run for him, let him feast on the offensive boards, get easy alley oops from Beasley/Russell, and be a solid FT shooter.

Ball and Edwards will have to take the ball out of our best players hands to be effective and play to their strengths. Wiseman won't negatively effect anyone, and will offer help to our best player in the paint.

What happens if you have two 7fters (I'll count Karl because he's close enough) that can shot block, rebound like demons, hit their FTs, and shoot the three (in KATs case EXTREMELY well)?

I think you win championships if you have decent guard play.

That sums up my thoughts pre-draft. Have fun arguing over potential for another few months

Alright, it's been fun guys, but I have way more responsibilities now than I did when I used to spend way too much time here.

[shangrila]

That guy sounds like Wiseman kicked his dog or something.

Ok, he bit on a pump fake, pretty standard for a young big man. Then he blames him for "clogging up the lane"... but Oregon is playing a zone defense...

Then he complains about missed putback dunks acting like they were easy ones (they weren't).

Basically the guy isn't worth listening to.

Most young big men need to learn discipline around shot blocking and the 2nd clip looks like a more balanced view of a game that wasn't great for Wiseman (but also not really showing a ton of red flags that can't be shored up with some NBA coaching).

I agree Wasserman is way too critical, but your statement that this wasn’t a great game for Wiseman is the problem. It is literally the only game footage we have of him playing anyone above the HS level except for two games against really poor low major competition.

It’ll be interesting. I think there is really high risk, high reward with all three of the top guys.

To add to this, you can't really disagree with what Wasserman said. Sure, he might have been "harsh" but there are questions regarding Wiseman's ability to handle catches in traffic, shot selection and perimeter defence.

And that point about clogging the paint is of particular concern to me. I don't expect him to space out to the 3 in his rookie season, nor does he need to necessarily. But if he's just going to stand in the centre of the key when guys are driving then he's going to cause serious issues. And if he can't recognise in real time when he needs to fade out to the dunkers spot then, again, he'll cause issues even in the limited role people are trying to project him in short term.

Realistically though, all of the top guys are serious projects that are likely going to take years to be meaningful contributors to a winning team. Whether it's worth waiting is the question we have to ask ourselves.

[KGdaBom]

Long ass post from the other thread, but I think it's relevant.

I personally think he's more talented than the other guys slated to go at the top. If he turns into a Chris Bosh type player, you have a pretty incredible duo down low that can hit their FTs and at least one of them is deadly from outside (though Wiseman's form looks really smooth imo, so he should be able to at least be a threat from three).

7ft guys with athleticism, coordination, and the ability to learn can still greatly impact the game, they just have to be able to shoot the three and not be big slow ogres. The game has gone small, because it's easier to teach three point shooting than that kind of height mixed with guard like skill sets.

If Wiseman can be that type of player he opens up way more possibilities/advantages over the current style of play, that I don't think Edwards or Ball have the possibility of doing, even if they become star players at their positions.

If you take a swing, you may as well go for one that if it works, could put the Wolves in a position to contend for a solid chunk of time.

Maybe none of the three will be good, or maybe all of them will. Maybe Ball/Edwards go onto to being awesome players for years to come and Wiseman never reaches his potential, maybe a Whiteside-esque guy. I think it's worth it to take the shot at something special, than hoping two guards can greatly improve giant holes in their games and become stars.

Also, I think a guy like Wiseman is a much better fit with KAT than the other two.

KAT gets his points in a myriad of ways and won't be effected by another big down low, except for it taking some of the rebounding, shot blocking, and physical wear and tear off him. Wiseman won't have to have any offense run for him, let him feast on the offensive boards, get easy alley oops from Beasley/Russell, and be a solid FT shooter.

Ball and Edwards will have to take the ball out of our best players hands to be effective and play to their strengths. Wiseman won't negatively effect anyone, and will offer help to our best player in the paint.

What happens if you have two 7fters (I'll count Karl because he's close enough) that can shot block, rebound like demons, hit their FTs, and shoot the three (in KATs case EXTREMELY well)?

I think you win championships if you have decent guard play.

That sums up my thoughts pre-draft. Have fun arguing over potential for another few months

Alright, it's been fun guys, but I have way more responsibilities now than I did when I used to spend way too much time here.

You make a great case for Wiseman IMO. He's the one with the highest floor and the highest ceiling.

[KGdaBom]

That guy sounds like Wiseman kicked his dog or something.

Ok, he bit on a pump fake, pretty standard for a young big man. Then he blames him for "clogging up the lane"... but Oregon is playing a zone defense...

Then he complains about missed putback dunks acting like they were easy ones (they weren't).

Basically the guy isn't worth listening to.

Most young big men need to learn discipline around shot blocking and the 2nd clip looks like a more balanced view of a game that wasn't great for Wiseman (but also not really showing a ton of red flags that can't be shored up with some NBA coaching).

I agree Wasserman is way too critical, but your statement that this wasn’t a great game for Wiseman is the problem. It is literally the only game footage we have of him playing anyone above the HS level except for two games against really poor low major competition.

It’ll be interesting. I think there is really high risk, high reward with all three of the top guys.

To add to this, you can't really disagree with what Wasserman said. Sure, he might have been "harsh" but there are questions regarding Wiseman's ability to handle catches in traffic, shot selection and perimeter defence.

And that point about clogging the paint is of particular concern to me. I don't expect him to space out to the 3 in his rookie season, nor does he need to necessarily. But if he's just going to stand in the centre of the key when guys are driving then he's going to cause serious issues. And if he can't recognise in real time when he needs to fade out to the dunkers spot then, again, he'll cause issues even in the limited role people are trying to project him in short term.

Realistically though, all of the top guys are serious projects that are likely going to take years to be meaningful contributors to a winning team. Whether it's worth waiting is the question we have to ask ourselves.

Regarding any concerns about Wiseman being a lane clogger that is so simple to fix. Just have the coaches show him where to be.

[shangrila]

I agree Wasserman is way too critical, but your statement that this wasn’t a great game for Wiseman is the problem. It is literally the only game footage we have of him playing anyone above the HS level except for two games against really poor low major competition.

It’ll be interesting. I think there is really high risk, high reward with all three of the top guys.

To add to this, you can't really disagree with what Wasserman said. Sure, he might have been "harsh" but there are questions regarding Wiseman's ability to handle catches in traffic, shot selection and perimeter defence.

And that point about clogging the paint is of particular concern to me. I don't expect him to space out to the 3 in his rookie season, nor does he need to necessarily. But if he's just going to stand in the centre of the key when guys are driving then he's going to cause serious issues. And if he can't recognise in real time when he needs to fade out to the dunkers spot then, again, he'll cause issues even in the limited role people are trying to project him in short term.

Realistically though, all of the top guys are serious projects that are likely going to take years to be meaningful contributors to a winning team. Whether it's worth waiting is the question we have to ask ourselves.

Regarding any concerns about Wiseman being a lane clogger that is so simple to fix. Just have the coaches show him where to be.

It's the recognition that concerns me. Seconds can make all the difference so if he needs time to think about it...

It's not impossible to improve, don't get me wrong, just something to be aware of.

[Klomp]

Regarding any concerns about Wiseman being a lane clogger that is so simple to fix. Just have the coaches show him where to be.

It's not always that easy. This isn't a video game.

[minimus]

I have two questions though. Raw bigman takes more time to develop. Are you okay with Wiseman starting to produce after 2nd year? I might be mistaken but raw bigman have higher chance of getting injured. See Patton, Embiid, Noel etc. Are you ok with it?

[KGdaBom]

Regarding any concerns about Wiseman being a lane clogger that is so simple to fix. Just have the coaches show him where to be.

It's not always that easy. This isn't a video game.

I think where to be on the court should be pretty easy to fix.

[KGdaBom]

I have two questions though. Raw bigman takes more time to develop. Are you okay with Wiseman starting to produce after 2nd year? I might be mistaken but raw bigman have higher chance of getting injured. See Patton, Embiid, Noel etc. Are you ok with it?

I expect him to produce pretty quickly and I don't expect him to be injury prone. High floor and High ceiling is what I see.

[minimus]

I have two questions though. Raw bigman takes more time to develop. Are you okay with Wiseman starting to produce after 2nd year? I might be mistaken but raw bigman have higher chance of getting injured. See Patton, Embiid, Noel etc. Are you ok with it?

I expect him to produce pretty quickly and I don't expect him to be injury prone. High floor and High ceiling is what I see.

Do you realize that by start of new season it will be more than one year for Wiseman without playing organized basketball? A year without practicing with a team, without professional coaching staff?

[KGdaBom]

I have two questions though. Raw bigman takes more time to develop. Are you okay with Wiseman starting to produce after 2nd year? I might be mistaken but raw bigman have higher chance of getting injured. See Patton, Embiid, Noel etc. Are you ok with it?

I expect him to produce pretty quickly and I don't expect him to be injury prone. High floor and High ceiling is what I see.

Do you realize that by start of new season it will be more than one year for Wiseman without playing organized basketball? A year without practicing with a team, without professional coaching staff?

Yep. That has me very excited for how quickly he can improve on his already excellent skils.
Unfortunately it won't be for the Wolves.

[minimus]

I expect him to produce pretty quickly and I don't expect him to be injury prone. High floor and High ceiling is what I see.

Do you realize that by start of new season it will be more than one year for Wiseman without playing organized basketball? A year without practicing with a team, without professional coaching staff?

Yep. That has me very excited for how quickly he can improve on his already excellent skils.
Unfortunately it won't be for the Wolves.

That year at age 18-19 is very important for professional player development. Even for normal people that transition is crucial. In best-case scenario, Wiseman will make this transition to NBA in two years, without issues.

[KGdaBom]

Do you realize that by start of new season it will be more than one year for Wiseman without playing organized basketball? A year without practicing with a team, without professional coaching staff?

Yep. That has me very excited for how quickly he can improve on his already excellent skils.
Unfortunately it won't be for the Wolves.

That year at age 18-19 is very important for professional player development. Even for normal people that transition is crucial. In best-case scenario, Wiseman will make this transition to NBA in two years, without issues.

Nope not a chance. He's ready right now and will be very useful for the lucky team that gets him. Please let it be any team besides the Warriors.

[minimus]

Yep. That has me very excited for how quickly he can improve on his already excellent skils.
Unfortunately it won't be for the Wolves.

That year at age 18-19 is very important for professional player development. Even for normal people that transition is crucial. In best-case scenario, Wiseman will make this transition to NBA in two years, without issues.

Nope not a chance. He's ready right now and will be very useful for the lucky team that gets him. Please let it be any team besides the Warriors.

He is not ready right now. He is considered as top3 prospect because of his size and physical tools. But basketball is a team sport, not track and field athletic.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Poor shot selection in high school; he played like he thought he was the second coming of Dirk Nowitzki. In college, he played more to his strengths, which needs to continue at the NBA level; the context of his situation will be key to his success.
He’s an all-world athlete in an open gym, but he slows down in games when he has to read the floor. Simplifying his role will be vital early on.
He has a weak handle, which limits him off the dribble. And as a playmaker, he misses open cutters and delivers inaccurate passes. He’s best suited to finish rather than create.
Chases too many blocks and ends up falling for pump fakes.
Sluggish lateral movement on the perimeter due to a lack of quickness and shoddy footwork. Defenders blow by him too often. At this stage, he’s not switchable.
Shaky team defender who tends to find himself in the wrong position or a beat late when rotating. He reads the floor slowly, so his pick-and-roll defense is particularly underwhelming.

[Klomp]

Regarding any concerns about Wiseman being a lane clogger that is so simple to fix. Just have the coaches show him where to be.

It's not always that easy. This isn't a video game.

I think where to be on the court should be pretty easy to fix.

Again, this isn't a video game and these aren't robots. Learning instincts about floor spacing and off-ball movement isn't always easy to pick up, especially at this stage. It's a BBIQ thing to me.....either you have it or you probably never will.

[Klomp]

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[wolves_89]

Avdija seems like a better version of Dario Saric. He has similar size and a similar shooting form, but he looks to be more athletic with a better handle. I think he has the skill set to be the long term answer at PF.

[KGdaBom]

It's not always that easy. This isn't a video game.

I think where to be on the court should be pretty easy to fix.

Again, this isn't a video game and these aren't robots. Learning instincts about floor spacing and off-ball movement isn't always easy to pick up, especially at this stage. It's a BBIQ thing to me.....either you have it or you probably never will.

We disagree. Where to be isn't that hard to teach. Put an X on the court and tell the player to go there. Not that simple, but more or less that simple.

[minimus]

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The only concern I have right now with Avdija as top5 pick is the fact that he cant finish with left hand. Even this video confirms it.

[KGdaBom]

Avdija seems like a better version of Dario Saric. He has similar size and a similar shooting form, but he looks to be more athletic with a better handle. I think he has the skill set to be the long term answer at PF.

To me he's an SF. We need somebody to defend the rim and rebound better for the PF. So far our experiments with playing too small players at PF have ended in failure.