2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

DY_nasty · Post #941 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:23 pm

Wonder who the mystery box pick is gonna be

Rich4114 · Post #942 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:36 pm

_tijo_ wrote:With all due respect for Deni or Obi or Haliburton, this isn't hard. Unless we are prepared to trade assets to move up, we are getting whoever is left of Edwards, Ball, or Wiseman. Us debating that Ball won't be a fit and we should take Wiseman instead is missing the point... we won't have a choice between them.

Kinda reminds me of the Manning/Leaf draft. Everyone kills SD for taking Leaf. They didn't have a choice. Indy took Manning first, there was no choice for SD. It works the other way too, Seattle doesn't get credit for choosing Durant. Portland picked Oden first. It will be the same for us. Unless we get bowled over with an offer from someone (like the Knicks), I think this draft for us will be determined for us, for better or worse.

I'm hoping we get lucky and the right guy drops to us. I myself hope its Edwards, but am happy that we got pick 3 so we can get a good player regardless.

This is a really good take. We are going to take whichever of the 3 are left. I don't think Minn/GS will divert from one of those top 3 guys and definitely not if there is a trade. This is similar to the Okafor/Howard draft. That was a two guy draft and my understanding is leading up to draft night Orlando was undecided on who it wanted and ended up making the better choice. Although if we had #1, I think we may have still take Okafor. So really, it's probably good that the decision will be made for us, lol

Rich4114 · Post #943 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:37 pm

LofJ wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:we could always be that team who takes a massive reach in a bad draft lmao

Anthony Bennett says what's up?!!

Wasn't he basically almost the consensus #1 in that draft?

UNCNYC · Post #944 » by **UNCNYC** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:42 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:UNCNYC... who would you consider your three best calls on prospects since you started posting on the draft here?

Meaning guys you called would be great and are really good?

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Super great question coming from someone who like you who is a MASTER at evaluating talent... I am HUMBLED...

I think Devon Dotson will be a sure thing, I think he has a complete game.

I also like Patrick Williams as a sure thing. He can give you 2 positions and doesn't have a game that can hurt a team...
At the very least will be a great defensive player.

The final player is a tough one... I would have to say Elijah Huges. He does it all... Won't give you a star but will solidify
your SG or SF position...

So my top 3 are Devon Dotson, Patrick Williams, Elijah Huges

Honarable mention - Tyler Bey, and sleeper is Tyshon Alexander

No, my question was who are the guys who you said were sure things 2 years ago and last year during draft that you are proud of for their careers so far.

You had a ton of guys you claimed were better than a bunch of the lottery guys. Guys who you loved in the second round that were future starters... much like you have this year.

Just curious how all these bold calls are working out for you so far. Can you give me 5-10 guys that you were right about recently?

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Good morning (my apologies if my greeting has reached you in a part of the world where it is still dark...)

Wow, to my best recolection, those predictions were made in good fun and to defend myself from taking a liking to 2nd rounders.
At that time, quite a few came for me and I defended myself best I could...

I didn't think you and I were in a competition... I would not want to make myself look like a fool by entering a competition
against someone like you who has FAR MORE basketball expertise than I do.

I am just more focused around draft time due to I have always wanted to be a GM...

I respect the majority of things you post, and when I do find myself questioning some things, I say, I am sure whatever point you
are attemting to make... I am sure is for the betterment of the team, and quite often it turns out that way!

I admire your opinions, as much as I do others FACTS...

Either way, I am glad you are ok... It has been a year that has taken the best of us, as well as some who were on their way to
becoming one of them...

We have the number 3 pick in the draft, and whoever you choose with our picks, I am SURE our future will look great with them,
and who I choose, I hope we can at least get a better draft pick in the next years lottery lol...

BlackOutBuzz · Post #945 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:50 pm

Rich4114 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:we could always be that team who takes a massive reach in a bad draft lmao

Anthony Bennett says what's up?!!

Wasn't he basically almost the consensus #1 in that draft?

Not really. People keep dogging 2020, but I think 2013 was even weirder/harder to navigate. At least now we mostly agree Ball and Edwards are top tier (some disagreements on 3); but back then people were scrambling to identify the top players after Nerlens Noel tore his ACL, Shabazz Muhammed lied about his age, and Marcus freaking Smart went back to school.

I distinctly remember there being a rather depressing 4-man race between injured Noel, Bennett, Oladipo, and McLemore. Then in the final weeks Len started getting talked up as a potential number 1 to Cleveland, we were getting linked to Porter by some questionable sources but he ended up going ahead of us anyway.

Everyone questioned Portland taking McCollum when they already had Lillard (you don't draft for need!), and Giannis and Gobert fell out of the lottery.

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Braggins · Post #946 » by **Braggins** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:52 pm

My memory isn't 100% clear on this, but I thought Bennett wasn't in the discussing for top 3 and was viewed more as someone who would go in the 6-10 range. I thought everyone was shocked when he went 1st.

316Hornets · Post #947 » by **316Hornets** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:40 pm

Braggins wrote:My memory isn't 100% clear on this, but I thought Bennett wasn't in the discussing for top 3 and was viewed more as someone who would go in the 6-10 range. I thought everyone was shocked when he went 1st.

Bennett was viewed as the safe pick with high floor based on his size and IQ. He definitely wasn't the guy with highest upside. He just massively underperformed and fell through the floor everyone projected.

DY_nasty · Post #948 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:52 pm

Bennet was in the 6-10 range pretty much everywhere. He was a reach at 4

amcoolio · Post #949 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:39 pm

Who are the best ball handlers in the draft?

Ball handling with size and FT shooting seem to be the most positive indicators at success at the next level.

James Gatz · Post #950 » by **James Gatz** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:03 pm

amcoolio wrote:Who are the best ball handlers in the draft?

Ball handling with size and FT shooting seem to be the most positive indicators at success at the next level.

Lamelo is in a tier of his own in terms of ball handling.

DY_nasty · Post #951 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:07 pm

Yeah, LaMelo wins the ball handling discussion but it far, far from an indicator of success at the NBA level.

I'm not even convinced he knows what a floppy is

Rich4114 · Post #952 » by **Rich4114** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:29 pm

That raises a good point. FT shooting. It looks like Wiseman is a decent FT shooter so to the Andre Drummond folks out there, one thing Drummond has and always will suck at is FT shooting. If he could hit FT's at a decent clip, he would be on a different level as an impact C.

amcoolio · Post #953 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:11 pm

DY_nasty wrote:Yeah, LaMelo wins the ball handling discussion but it far, far from an indicator of success at the NBA level.

I'm not even convinced he knows what a floppy is

What fantastic ball handlers busted out of the league? Not discrediting with you just wondering. It seems like the guards drafted in the top 5 that failed, failed because of lack of ball handling and playmaking

4pointkiller · Post #954 » by **4pointkiller** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:14 pm

316Hornets · Post #955 » by **316Hornets** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:15 pm

I give it a 60% chance we take Wiseman if he's there. Seems like a Kupchak draft guy and he would make Devonte happy.

Post #956 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:07 pm

Killian Hayes or Deni A appear to be the next best skilled ball handlers after Ball

DY_nasty · Post #957 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:53 pm

amcoolio wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:Yeah, LaMelo wins the ball handling discussion but it far, far from an indicator of success at the NBA level.

I'm not even convinced he knows what a floppy is

What fantastic ball handlers busted out of the league? Not discrediting with you just wondering. It seems like the guards drafted in the top 5 that failed, failed because of lack of ball handling and playmaking

Feels like there's a dribblegawd that's out the league in no time flat every season. I guess the biggest two to stand out were Telfair and Dejuan Wagner

Braggins · Post #958 » by **Braggins** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:11 pm

Where does Haliburton's handle rank in this class?

wilson115 · Post #959 » by **wilson115** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:36 pm

Haliburton needs screens to get off anything. He's in trouble 1-on-1. Multiple analysts pick up on this.

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2020/07/19/tyrese-haliburton-2020-nba-draft-propsect-breakdown/

Post #960 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:40 pm

amcoolio wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:Yeah, LaMelo wins the ball handling discussion but it far, far from an indicator of success at the NBA level.

I'm not even convinced he knows what a floppy is

What fantastic ball handlers busted out of the league? Not discrediting with you just wondering. It seems like the guards drafted in the top 5 that failed, failed because of lack of ball handling and playmaking

Normally ball handling alone doesn't get you into the top 5.

There was a while league of ball handlers without NBA chops, the And1 crew.