Thoughts on aggressive pursuit of Fred Van Vleet & Joe Harris/Davis Bertans

[Oscirus]

we're overpaying for anybody to uproot them. So to say you dont want a free agent here on an overpay is to say you don't want a free agent.

[sol537]

FVV @ $21.5m year one, with decreasing yearly amounts, for 4 years, 4th year player option

Jerami Grant at 1+1 with 2nd year team option, 1st year fat amount like $21m just to entice him to take the 1+1 so we can preserve max cap space for 2021.

[Nazrmohamed]

^^^ thats why I like Lonzo. Hes young like the rest of the guys, can contribute to grow with the team and is on a rookie deal. I can fully appreciate that hes not as good as FVV but its basically a continuation of our rebuild and if it works out maybe we're not in the top 12 in the lottery but if not we're in great draft position in a deep draft.

[Jose7]

Knicks fans still think a rebuild consists of 7 young players on rookie scale contracts, 5 vets on expiring contracts, preserving all draft capital and hoping to land #1 overall picks.

This aint NBA 2k. It will never work like this. There's gotta be mixture of veterans, youth and of course preserving all draft capital and being as flexible with cap as possible. The Knicks have failed with management to do the rebuild the right way, with a big factor being no type of GM/coach alignment and with there being no developmental system in place.

PILLS really believed a fizdale lead team with randle/portis/morris/payton/gibson was going to lead us to a developmental promiseland. They couldn't have been any more wrong.

A guy like Randle at 18M+ is everything we dont need because of the type of player and fit he is between our most valuable young players. He's about him, always has, always will be. His play reflects that.

It APPEARS that with Leon/WWW/Perin/Thibs/Payne/Johnnie Bryant there is finally alignment.

A guy like FVV, 25M+, whatever you call an overpay is what we need and more.

Again, it seems like a developmental structure is in place with Thibs who is going to be an identity guy for this team. I think the ship is being steered much more correctly than it has been within the last 20 years. Knicks have to go hard at FVV because he's everything you'd hope for during a rebuild.

1. His style of play as our primary PG.
2. World champion who played a huge role on his team and continues to play a huge role.
3. Young veteran who is entering his prime.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

say you get van vleet for 25 per. and say you now, with some of mitch & rj's improvement, reach 38 wins. which is a best case scenario. now what ? sign giannis. what if he says no ? what if ad says no and kawhi says no ? sign demarr ? you're not getting any good pick at 38 wins. so what is the plan beyond making a 1 year improvement ? what is the plan to actually become a contender ? the thing to accept is that nobody is coming to save this franchise most likely. and they certainly aren't coming alone. people bring up the nets and that they attracted durant & kyrie but they also had the cap space to do so. fred van vleet at 25 per on a long contract might become hard to move. so you've messed up the cap space. you've messed up our ability to get good picks. we would be in a worse position than now.

You're banking on the development of RJ and whoever we draft this year and next, not on landing big time free agents. I have no delusions about signing Giannis he's not coming here, and neither is anyone else if we can't get quality players. On that front I want player development and smart signings and to me FVV is a very smart move because it finally gives us a PG for the next 4-5 yrs. He is the absolute perfect type of PG to pair with someone like RJ because he can function on and off the ball at a high level, the Toronto system requires everyone but the center to be able to create to some degree or shoot the 3 when open, there's nobody in the draft that is ready to do that, not yet at least and that's not even taking into account his defense.

I'd rather have him at 20-23 million per year than Randle at the same numbers, just think about his salary going a year longer, but with the same money as Randle while being a much better player and fit for the team. Is it worth it to have a player who can shoot high volume threes off the ball, while also being an on ball threat? Yes. Can you build around that if your PG is set for 4 years? yes. Even in terms of position he doesn't stop you from drafting another PG, because he's currently playing SG in a midget backcourt with Lowry while guarding people much bigger than himself. Every single one of our best players are on rookie contracts, I don't see the big worry with signing him.

i guess i wouldn't bank on that. rj, whoever we draft at 8, and whoever we draft next year with a pick worse than 8 might not really be worth building around. i'd want to see a young player perform at a high level before i make that decision. if we had drafted a ja morant i could see this plan. we didn't. until then, keep the cap space open and keep ourselves as high in the draft as possible.

We're not getting out of this hoping one of the big time free agents sign with us, that's why we're here in the first place. I'm not about to give up on RJ, even if you're not that high on him he's going to be a 20ppg scorer at minimum, it just comes down to how efficiently he does it and whether or not he can make threes. I view FVV as someone that would make things easier for RJ and help his development, it would take a lot of the play making responsibilities out of RJ's hands and allow him to attack more, especially with the added shooting.

The way the lottery is now makes tanking difficult, and being high in the lottery year after year hasn't done much to help the Kings, Wolves or Hornets.

[BKlutch]

We can play both Randle and Taj as backup bigs off the bench, if necessary. Near the end of next season, we could send Randle to another team as an expiring (almost!). That would allow us to get a pick or young asset. I loved Morris, but we played him out of place. After a few games with the Clips, he seems to be playing really well now. There are so so so many options .. If this, then that... it's hard to game everything.

So I think Rose uses a paradigm. He saw what happened to The Process - how many rings did that win for Philly? Which round did they exit this year? Oh, right. Maybe getting great picks and drafting well doesn't create, all by itself, a great team.

So the way Rose plans to do this is to create a decent team, and improve it incrementally year by year. I love the idea of keeping Mitch and RJ until we win it all, but I know that teams can't always live by ideals. Sometimes, they find a better solution to what they were seeking, no matter how much they believed in what they were doing before. I hope we can keep Mitch and RJ.

Look at the issue of KP. Nobody knows, as of today, what he will be able to do for the remainder of the playoffs. One game the Mavs won without him, and the next, they were crushed. This is the KP we knew from his Knicks days - he's delicate - injury prone, and subject to "anemia" all year long. Maybe he'll get better and the Mavs will win a chit. Maybe he won't, and they'll be bumped out of the playoffs this round. But we hated how great he, THJr, and Trey Burke were playing for them, until they didn't last game. I don't think there's an AI or a human genius anywhere who can lay out, here and now, the one true path for us to follow going forward.

We may have to consider placing some faith in Rose & Co. and wish them well, under the assumption they actually know more than we do.

[robillionaire]

So I think Rose uses a paradigm. He saw what happened to The Process - how many rings did that win for Philly? Which round did they exit this year? Oh, right. Maybe getting great picks and drafting well doesn't create, all by itself, a great team.

truth be told they didn't even draft that well. ben simmons fell in their lap at 1, and embiid was a good pick. they crapped the bed trading up from 3rd to 1st to take Fultz when they could have had Tatum and still kept the kings pick. They took Okafor 1 pick ahead of KP. Took Nerlens Noel at 6th and Carter-Williams at 11th when Giannis was on the board. It could have went really really well for them. But you're right, you also have to make smart moves. They didn't really do that either.

[Zenzibar]

he's making 18 per now. you didn't even give him much of a raise.

He's making 9 per now.

That's more than doubling his salary

oh. i read that wrong.

still. i saw 25-30 per floated. this seems like a big mistake if so.

[Jose7]

We can play both Randle and Taj as backup bigs off the bench, if necessary. Near the end of next season, we could send Randle to another team as an expiring (almost!). That would allow us to get a pick or young asset. I loved Morris, but we played him out of place. After a few games with the Clips, he seems to be playing really well now. There are so so so many options .. If this, then that... it's hard to game everything.

So I think Rose uses a paradigm. He saw what happened to The Process - how many rings did that win for Philly? Which round did they exit this year? Oh, right. Maybe getting great picks and drafting well doesn't create, all by itself, a great team.

So the way Rose plans to do this is to create a decent team, and improve it incrementally year by year. I love the idea of keeping Mitch and RJ until we win it all, but I know that teams can't always live by ideals. Sometimes, they find a better solution to what they were seeking, no matter how much they believed in what they were doing before. I hope we can keep Mitch and RJ.

Look at the issue of KP. Nobody knows, as of today, what he will be able to do for the remainder of the playoffs. One game the Mavs won without him, and the next, they were crushed. This is the KP we knew from his Knicks days - he's delicate - injury prone, and subject to "anemia" all year long. Maybe he'll get better and the Mavs will win a chit. Maybe he won't, and they'll be bumped out of the playoffs this round. But we hated how great he, THJr, and Trey Burke were playing for them, until they didn't last game. I don't think there's an AI or a human genius anywhere who can lay out, here and now, the one true path for us to follow going forward.

We may have to consider placing some faith in Rose & Co. and wish them well, under the assumption they actually know more than we do.

I think from day one, Rose began hiring people who are experts in their area. Unlike the keys being given to Mills who time after time failed in this regard. He has never been a basketball talent guy, he's always been a business man. But due to his friendship with a clueless dope like Doland who cant stop Plaxico'ing himself, we have always been in a bad fundamental position as an organization. It's like running a hedge fund without analysts, headless chicken type of shyt.

What we can say is that Leon has hired guys who are seemingly experts or on the rise in their perspective fields as it relates to basketball.

- Capologist
- coaching talent/developmental coaching talent
- scouting talent
- analytics talent

he's actually building a fundamental base within the organization that we've never had with Dolan.

[sPALL]

Fred Van Fleet - Undrafted, signed by Raptors
Davis Bertans - 42nd Pick
Joe Harris - 33rd Pick, signed by Nets after being waived.

I believe we can obtain players like these through free agency or draft, instead of giving max contracts out. I'm a fan of all three of these players at the right price.

[BKlutch]

We can play both Randle and Taj as backup bigs off the bench, if necessary. Near the end of next season, we could send Randle to another team as an expiring (almost!). That would allow us to get a pick or young asset. I loved Morris, but we played him out of place. After a few games with the Clips, he seems to be playing really well now. There are so so so many options .. If this, then that... it's hard to game everything.

So I think Rose uses a paradigm. He saw what happened to The Process - how many rings did that win for Philly? Which round did they exit this year? Oh, right. Maybe getting great picks and drafting well doesn't create, all by itself, a great team.

So the way Rose plans to do this is to create a decent team, and improve it incrementally year by year. I love the idea of keeping Mitch and RJ until we win it all, but I know that teams can't always live by ideals. Sometimes, they find a better solution to what they were seeking, no matter how much they believed in what they were doing before. I hope we can keep Mitch and RJ.

Look at the issue of KP. Nobody knows, as of today, what he will be able to do for the remainder of the playoffs. One game the Mavs won without him, and the next, they were crushed. This is the KP we knew from his Knicks days - he's delicate - injury prone, and subject to "anemia" all year long. Maybe he'll get better and the Mavs will win a chit. Maybe he won't, and they'll be bumped out of the playoffs this round. But we hated how great he, THJr, and Trey Burke were playing for them, until they didn't last game. I don't think there's an AI or a human genius anywhere who can lay out, here and now, the one true path for us to follow going forward.

We may have to consider placing some faith in Rose & Co. and wish them well, under the assumption they actually know more than we do.

I think from day one, Rose began hiring people who are experts in their area. Unlike the keys being given to Mills who time after time failed in this regard. He has never been a basketball talent guy, he's always been a business man. But due to his friendship with a clueless dope like Doland who cant stop Plaxico'ing himself, we have always been in a bad fundamental position as an organization. It's like running a hedge fund without analysts, headless chicken type of shyt.

What we can say is that Leon has hired guys who are seemingly experts or on the rise in their perspective fields as it relates to basketball.

- Capologist
- coaching talent/developmental coaching talent
- scouting talent
- analytics talent

he's actually building a fundamental base within the organization that we've never had with Dolan.

This is what I think, and also what I hope. Mills reminds me of an old time General Practitioner doctor. Very friendly, well liked, but if you had more than a cold, you weren't likely to do better. Now medicine is data driven and there are many interventions that can really help people. The old timer GP can't really do that, but in some small towns, people love them.

Many fans have no clue about what's going on, but on this board, many of us do. I think more Knicks fans probably know about Front Office matters than fans of many other teams - that's why we were always going bonkers here when Mills, Phil, and Jimmy made their worst moves. Many of us could actually have done better. Collectively, we certainly could have. So I'm glad Leon got his team of specialists. I'm sure that fixing DSJ, for example, requires the basketball equivalent of a neurosurgeon.

[cgmw]

Knicks fans still think a rebuild consists of 7 young players on rookie scale contracts, 5 vets on expiring contracts, preserving all draft capital and hoping to land #1 overall picks.

This aint NBA 2k. It will never work like this. There's gotta be mixture of veterans, youth and of course preserving all draft capital and being as flexible with cap as possible. The Knicks have failed with management to do the rebuild the right way, with a big factor being no type of GM/coach alignment and with there being no developmental system in place.

PILLS really believed a fizdale lead team with randle/portis/morris/payton/gibson was going to lead us to a developmental promiseland. They couldn't have been any more wrong.

A guy like Randle at 18M+ is everything we dont need because of the type of player and fit he is between our most valuable young players. He's about him, always has, always will be. His play reflects that.

It APPEARS that with Leon/WWW/Perin/Thibs/Payne/Johnnie Bryant there is finally alignment.

A guy like FVV, 25M+, whatever you call an overpay is what we need and more.

Again, it seems like a developmental structure is in place with Thibs who is going to be an identity guy for this team. I think the ship is being steered much more correctly than it has been within the last 20 years. Knicks have to go hard at FVV because he's everything you'd hope for during a rebuild.

1. His style of play as our primary PG.
2. World champion who played a huge role on his team and continues to play a huge role.
3. Young veteran who is entering his prime.

Solid thinking and I hope you're right, but it would fly in the face of everything we've seen time and time and time again from the Dolan regime.

The consistent pattern for decades is for the new hire to acquire a high-paid marquee veteran to play above the role that got him where he is. I want to believe you that it's all about developing RJ and Mitch, but where in the past 20 years has that kind of intelligence been at MSG?

The more likely case is that FVV would be promoted as the guy to lead us into the Playoffs at all costs in 2021 and our youth will be fake hustle "developed" aka showcased for trades to acquire another CAA veteran during the season (or possibly draft night).

Dolan's lust for respect is what drives the ship, which means the priority is the 8 seed and acquiring a veteran All Star at all costs. Nothing about the previous 20 years points to Dolan hiring Leon Rose for his ability to develop RJ Barrett into a star.

[Synciere]

We sign Van Vleet to a deal averaging 25 mil and he’s an albatross by the 2021 trade deadline. Why are we spending that much on him when we have two firsts in a draft full of point guards? Even if we draft forwards we still have Frank and DSJ, or are we giving up on them altogether? We don’t know where the cap is going to fall but deals like that are going to cripple us in free agency; even if we are a better team we won’t have the flexibility or room to sign a max guy. This is a year to skip free agency, at least for long term deals at 20+ million.

[fatalogic]

Knicks fans still think a rebuild consists of 7 young players on rookie scale contracts, 5 vets on expiring contracts, preserving all draft capital and hoping to land #1 overall picks.

This aint NBA 2k. It will never work like this. There's gotta be mixture of veterans, youth and of course preserving all draft capital and being as flexible with cap as possible. The Knicks have failed with management to do the rebuild the right way, with a big factor being no type of GM/coach alignment and with there being no developmental system in place.

PILLS really believed a fizdale lead team with randle/portis/morris/payton/gibson was going to lead us to a developmental promiseland. They couldn't have been any more wrong.

A guy like Randle at 18M+ is everything we dont need because of the type of player and fit he is between our most valuable young players. He's about him, always has, always will be. His play reflects that.

It APPEARS that with Leon/WWW/Perin/Thibs/Payne/Johnnie Bryant there is finally alignment.

A guy like FVV, 25M+, whatever you call an overpay is what we need and more.

Again, it seems like a developmental structure is in place with Thibs who is going to be an identity guy for this team. I think the ship is being steered much more correctly than it has been within the last 20 years. Knicks have to go hard at FVV because he's everything you'd hope for during a rebuild.

1. His style of play as our primary PG.
2. World champion who played a huge role on his team and continues to play a huge role.
3. Young veteran who is entering his prime.

Solid thinking and I hope you're right, but it would fly in the face of everything we've seen time and time and time again from the Dolan regime.

The consistent pattern for decades is for the new hire to acquire a high-paid marquee veteran to play above the role that got him where he is. I want to believe you that it's all about developing RJ and Mitch, but where in the past 20 years has that kind of intelligence been at MSG?

The more likely case is that FVV would be promoted as the guy to lead us into the Playoffs at all costs in 2021 and our youth will be fake hustle "developed" aka showcased for trades to acquire another CAA veteran during the season (or possibly draft night).

Dolan's lust for respect is what drives the ship, which means the priority is the 8 seed and acquiring a veteran All Star at all costs. Nothing about the previous 20 years points to Dolan hiring Leon Rose for his ability to develop RJ Barrett into a star.

Realistically it’s still about getting a star. However there are right and wrong ways to go about that. Good teams develop players until they are either good enough to supplement a star, be a star or trade for a star whether that be an established star or through the draft. The Knicks stupidly kept on trying to just buy their way into stars with no foundation or plan.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks fans still think a rebuild consists of 7 young players on rookie scale contracts, 5 vets on expiring contracts, preserving all draft capital and hoping to land #1 overall picks.

This aint NBA 2k. It will never work like this. There's gotta be mixture of veterans, youth and of course preserving all draft capital and being as flexible with cap as possible. The Knicks have failed with management to do the rebuild the right way, with a big factor being no type of GM/coach alignment and with there being no developmental system in place.

PILLS really believed a fizdale lead team with randle/portis/morris/payton/gibson was going to lead us to a developmental promiseland. They couldn't have been any more wrong.

A guy like Randle at 18M+ is everything we dont need because of the type of player and fit he is between our most valuable young players. He's about him, always has, always will be. His play reflects that.

It APPEARS that with Leon/WWW/Perin/Thibs/Payne/Johnnie Bryant there is finally alignment.

A guy like FVV, 25M+, whatever you call an overpay is what we need and more.

Again, it seems like a developmental structure is in place with Thibs who is going to be an identity guy for this team. I think the ship is being steered much more correctly than it has been within the last 20 years. Knicks have to go hard at FVV because he's everything you'd hope for during a rebuild.

1. His style of play as our primary PG.
2. World champion who played a huge role on his team and continues to play a huge role.
3. Young veteran who is entering his prime.

Solid thinking and I hope you're right, but it would fly in the face of everything we've seen time and time and time again from the Dolan regime.

The consistent pattern for decades is for the new hire to acquire a high-paid marquee veteran to play above the role that got him where he is. I want to believe you that it's all about developing RJ and Mitch, but where in the past 20 years has that kind of intelligence been at MSG?

The more likely case is that FVV would be promoted as the guy to lead us into the Playoffs at all costs in 2021 and our youth will be fake hustle "developed" aka showcased for trades to acquire another CAA veteran during the season (or possibly draft night).

Dolan's lust for respect is what drives the ship, which means the priority is the 8 seed and acquiring a veteran All Star at all costs. Nothing about the previous 20 years points to Dolan hiring Leon Rose for his ability to develop RJ Barrett into a star.

Realistically it’s still about getting a star. However there are right and wrong ways to go about that. Good teams develop players until they are either good enough to supplement a star, be a star or trade for a star whether that be an established star or through the draft. The Knicks stupidly kept on trying to just buy their way into stars with no foundation or plan.

There aren't any stars on Toronto. I guess Siakem but they drafted in in the late teens (?) and developed him into a star, if you want to put him in that category.

[fatalogic]

Solid thinking and I hope you're right, but it would fly in the face of everything we've seen time and time and time again from the Dolan regime.

The consistent pattern for decades is for the new hire to acquire a high-paid marquee veteran to play above the role that got him where he is. I want to believe you that it's all about developing RJ and Mitch, but where in the past 20 years has that kind of intelligence been at MSG?

The more likely case is that FVV would be promoted as the guy to lead us into the Playoffs at all costs in 2021 and our youth will be fake hustle "developed" aka showcased for trades to acquire another CAA veteran during the season (or possibly draft night).

Dolan's lust for respect is what drives the ship, which means the priority is the 8 seed and acquiring a veteran All Star at all costs. Nothing about the previous 20 years points to Dolan hiring Leon Rose for his ability to develop RJ Barrett into a star.

Realistically it’s still about getting a star. However there are right and wrong ways to go about that. Good teams develop players until they are either good enough to supplement a star, be a star or trade for a star whether that be an established star or through the draft. The Knicks stupidly kept on trying to just buy their way into stars with no foundation or plan.

There aren't any stars on Toronto. I guess Siakem but they drafted in in the late teens (?) and developed him into a star, if you want to put him in that category.

Did you forget about the Demar for Kawhi trade?They literally took players they drafted and developed and traded them for a star and won a championship last year while supplemented him with players they developed.

The last team to win without a true star is probably the Pistons and even then they build there team by trading their stars for better fitting assets.

I’d love for RJ and Mitch to be here for their whole career but realistically if the right deal comes up you move them to better the team. And before anyone brings it up the Melo deal is not the type of deal I’m talking about. Until the right deal comes up you gotta give them the best environment to succeed which the Knicks haven’t done. It’s also why the Process turned out the way it did. Rose seems to get this but we will see with his actions.

[thebuzzardman]

FVV @ $21.5m year one, with decreasing yearly amounts, for 4 years, 4th year player option

Jerami Grant at 1+1 with 2nd year team option, 1st year fat amount like $21m just to entice him to take the 1+1 so we can preserve max cap space for 2021.

Tron Carter has brought up Justin Holiday as a wing signing.

FVV
Jerami Grant on a 1 year
Justin Holiday a 2 year 8 million per?

All 3 would make the team semi competitive, all 3 seem like "Thibs kind of players" and would give the Knicks a lot of flexibility in the next 2 drafts and in trades

The downsides being they might eke out the 8th slot in the east and fall out of the lottery, and half the future cap is tied into FVV, which I don't think is a bad thing, but it is a long term commitment.

[HarthorneWingo]

Realistically it’s still about getting a star. However there are right and wrong ways to go about that. Good teams develop players until they are either good enough to supplement a star, be a star or trade for a star whether that be an established star or through the draft. The Knicks stupidly kept on trying to just buy their way into stars with no foundation or plan.

There aren't any stars on Toronto. I guess Siakem but they drafted in in the late teens (?) and developed him into a star, if you want to put him in that category.

Did you forget about the Demar for Kawhi trade?They literally took players they drafted and developed and traded them for a star and won a championship last year while supplemented him with players they developed.

The last team to win without a true star is probably the Pistons and even then they build there team by trading their stars for better fitting assets.

I’d love for RJ and Mitch to be here for their whole career but realistically if the right deal comes up you move them to better the team. And before anyone brings it up the Melo deal is not the type of deal I’m talking about. Until the right deal comes up you gotta give them the best environment to succeed which the Knicks haven’t done. It’s also why the Process turned out the way it did. Rose seems to get this but we will see with his actions.

The Raptors are 53-19 this season. No Derozan, no Kawhi. Thoughts?

[fatalogic]

There aren't any stars on Toronto. I guess Siakem but they drafted in in the late teens (?) and developed him into a star, if you want to put him in that category.

Did you forget about the Demar for Kawhi trade?They literally took players they drafted and developed and traded them for a star and won a championship last year while supplemented him with players they developed.

The last team to win without a true star is probably the Pistons and even then they build there team by trading their stars for better fitting assets.

I’d love for RJ and Mitch to be here for their whole career but realistically if the right deal comes up you move them to better the team. And before anyone brings it up the Melo deal is not the type of deal I’m talking about. Until the right deal comes up you gotta give them the best environment to succeed which the Knicks haven’t done. It’s also why the Process turned out the way it did. Rose seems to get this but we will see with his actions.

The Raptors are 53-19 this season. No Derozan, no Kawhi. Thoughts?

They remained a good team by developing their players and great team building but as they showed last year they aren’t afraid to move them for the right deal. They are the model the Knicks should follow. Everyone called them a treadmill team for years till they got Kawhi. Now they are just back to doing what they did pre Kawhi. It’s still a star or bust league but your team has to build to compliment a star.

I think the difference is the Knicks always build 1 year at a time. The good teams, like good business build, thinking multiple years out.

For instance trading Mitch right now is probably a bad idea short term but may make sense long term due to his contract situation.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We sign Van Vleet to a deal averaging 25 mil and he’s an albatross by the 2021 trade deadline. Why are we spending that much on him when we have two firsts in a draft full of point guards? Even if we draft forwards we still have Frank and DSJ, or are we giving up on them altogether? We don’t know where the cap is going to fall but deals like that are going to cripple us in free agency; even if we are a better team we won’t have the flexibility or room to sign a max guy. This is a year to skip free agency, at least for long term deals at 20+ million.

I disagree, signing Fred for us would be no different than the Pacers going after Malcolm Brogdon last summer. You get a high character guy who can run the team or play off the ball. I'd rather use those potential draft picks on wings or versatile forwards than to spend it on a PG. I get that we've lacked a good PG in ages, but we shouldn't over value the position either, and signing an already developed PG makes much more sense than hoping we draft the right guy. Just look at the playoffs right now, we're most likely going to end up with 8 teams in which not a single one of them has a PG they drafted in the lottery. The league is all about wings & forwards now, draft those players, sign the PG in free agency.