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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1161 » by ItsDanger » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:03 pm

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thunderforce wrote:Can I say something , not trying to be racist but why can't people listen to the police , then no one would be hurt . They don't come into this looking to hurt or kill people of any race . I am white and if a white person gets killed because they are not listening to and fighting the police most white people will say he deserved it because he was an idiot . If these people marching want no police or no police to stop people because they are black then black criminals will own the streets and the cities and ask yourself who would want to live in that world ? 90 percent of normal people will never go for that . If a cop kills a black person for nothing they should go to jail but come on that almost never happens . I think the reason the lines are getting blurred is because the democrats have gone insane and want crime to become not against the law and that is the main reason Trump is going to be re elected .

Criminals think the rules don't apply to them. The end. Police will react differently to suspects with priors.


What priors did Ujiri have ? White people think they own black bodies period.

I'm not speaking to minor altercations. Your hyperbole serves no purpose.
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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1162 » by Mark_83 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:06 pm


I'll spare you the lol WaPo genetic fallacy you lacked the courtesy to extend to me, and ask you to post the relevant passages you would like me to comment on since I'm not paying to access this Bezos-owned yellow journalism factory.
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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1163 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:15 pm

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I'll spare you the lol WaPo genetic fallacy you lacked the courtesy to extend to me, and ask you to post the relevant passages you would like me to comment on since I'm not paying to access this Bezos-owned yellow journalism factory.


Lol, you posted a link to a **** Quilette article, give me a break. I also don’t pay for the Washington Post, yet can read that article all the same. Try clicking on it? I posted some paragraphs from it in the other thread which are by no means comprehensive. Regardless, Radley Balko is one of the preeminent criminal justice system journalists in the US. You should read him if you’re going to comment on the topic.
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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1164 » by Mark_83 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:23 pm

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I'll spare you the lol WaPo genetic fallacy you lacked the courtesy to extend to me, and ask you to post the relevant passages you would like me to comment on since I'm not paying to access this Bezos-owned yellow journalism factory.


Lol, you posted a link to a **** Quilette article, give me a break. I also don’t pay for the Washington Post, yet can read that article all the same. Try clicking on it? I posted some paragraphs from it in the other thread which are by no means comprehensive. Regardless, Radley Balko is one of the preeminent criminal justice system journalists in the US. You should read him if you’re going to comment on the topic.

I posted a link but cited studies from actual Universities collected therein. You might want to learn about genetic fallacies. You're in an information bubble where you handwave away facts or information you don't agree with as "right wing propaganda." Please. That's like saying Vice is more reliable than The WSJ because "muh Cons."

I clicked on the article. It asks me to subscribe and I can't navigate back to the article. I'll find his writing myself then or look to the ones you posted earlier if that's all I can access freely.
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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1165 » by thunderforce » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:41 pm

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thunderforce wrote:Can I say something , not trying to be racist but why can't people listen to the police , then no one would be hurt . They don't come into this looking to hurt or kill people of any race . I am white and if a white person gets killed because they are not listening to and fighting the police most white people will say he deserved it because he was an idiot . If these people marching want no police or no police to stop people because they are black then black criminals will own the streets and the cities and ask yourself who would want to live in that world ? 90 percent of normal people will never go for that . If a cop kills a black person for nothing they should go to jail but come on that almost never happens . I think the reason the lines are getting blurred is because the democrats have gone insane and want crime to become not against the law and that is the main reason Trump is going to be re elected .

Criminals think the rules don't apply to them. The end. Police will react differently to suspects with priors.

If they lie they should go to jail , White criminals should be treated the same as all criminals , cops kill white criminals too you just don't hear about it , i bet it happens more than black criminals . All the people getting accused of crimes around Trump is nothing compared to what Obama got away with .
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Re: Raptors discussing the possibility of boycotting games following shooting of Jacob Blake 

Post#1166 » by maternal85 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:48 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
maternal85 wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Criminals think the rules don't apply to them. The end. Police will react differently to suspects with priors.


What priors did Ujiri have ? White people think they own black bodies period.

I'm not speaking to minor altercations. Your hyperbole serves no purpose.


Lol now its a minor altercation? Sure.
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Post#1167 » by rarefind » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:49 am

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So you think that they are making up the accounts of what went down? I'm just summarizing what's in the report.


Wouldn’t you want to hear Jacob’s Blake’s side of the story before coming to a conclusion? I mean if you’re truly about the facts and unbiased reporting why would you be posting the statements from the union?



you want to hear a career criminals side of events? he's obviously gonna say "Just because I spent years in jail, have been arrested for firearms possession in the past and have an extensive criminal record, doesn't mean I did anything. I didn't do anything on this day. I complied from the moment police arrived on scene. The warrants are fake, the court issued them in error because I'm an oppressed black man. I feared for my safety so I put officers in a headlock and then wanted to drive away. Why should I listen to the police when they all lie? I have rights you know!"


He absolutely has the right to not be shot 7 times. If the police had the justification to shoot everyone that doesn't listen to them, there would be hundreds of police involved shootings every single day.

There is much unknown about this situation but you wouldn't be saying any of the garbage you are spewing if Jacob Blake was white. Cops interact with white ex-cons who don't comply with legitimate warrants. How often do they shoot them?

Failing to understand how race applies to this situation and countless others is just evidence of your incredible ignorance.
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Post#1168 » by Pointgod » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:02 am

Guys racism is all in black people’s heads. It’s a class issue.

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Post#1169 » by 13th Man » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:47 am

Pointgod wrote:Guys racism is all in black people’s heads. It’s a class issue.

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I'd like to hear the reasoning from the concierge, too bad the video got cut off as soon as he was about to explain.
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Post#1170 » by JN » Sun Aug 30, 2020 2:33 am

thunderforce wrote:Can I say something , not trying to be racist but why can't people listen to the police , then no one would be hurt . They don't come into this looking to hurt or kill people of any race . I am white and if a white person gets killed because they are not listening to and fighting the police most white people will say he deserved it because he was an idiot . If these people marching want no police or no police to stop people because they are black then black criminals will own the streets and the cities and ask yourself who would want to live in that world ? 90 percent of normal people will never go for that . If a cop kills a black person for nothing they should go to jail but come on that almost never happens . I think the reason the lines are getting blurred is because the democrats have gone insane and want crime to become not against the law and that is the main reason Trump is going to be re elected .


You have gone insane and believe the Trump nonsense and fear mongering if you think the demand for equality is the same as wanting crime to be law.
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Post#1171 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:56 am

rarefind wrote:
RIP Kobe wrote:
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Wouldn’t you want to hear Jacob’s Blake’s side of the story before coming to a conclusion? I mean if you’re truly about the facts and unbiased reporting why would you be posting the statements from the union?



you want to hear a career criminals side of events? he's obviously gonna say "Just because I spent years in jail, have been arrested for firearms possession in the past and have an extensive criminal record, doesn't mean I did anything. I didn't do anything on this day. I complied from the moment police arrived on scene. The warrants are fake, the court issued them in error because I'm an oppressed black man. I feared for my safety so I put officers in a headlock and then wanted to drive away. Why should I listen to the police when they all lie? I have rights you know!"


He absolutely has the right to not be shot 7 times. If the police had the justification to shoot everyone that doesn't listen to them, there would be hundreds of police involved shootings every single day.

There is much unknown about this situation but you wouldn't be saying any of the garbage you are spewing if Jacob Blake was white. Cops interact with white ex-cons who don't comply with legitimate warrants. How often do they shoot them?

Failing to understand how race applies to this situation and countless others is just evidence of your incredible ignorance.


The issue is not changed if a person has "priors" at least not in a real justice system, because if a person does their time they've paid their debt to society. If the cops shoot a person 7 times in the back with priors and just once or twice with no priors you can with a fair measure of certainty know that if both victims of police violence are black the cops doing the shooting are going to be white.

These are all examples of excessive use of lethal force. Race profiling. Violation of civil rights and violation of human rights.

Do not blame the victims for criminal policing. It is America as a violent security obsessed nation that is on trial. On trial for continued violations of human rights. And if we are judging on past behaviours and piling on, America leads all nations in priors. Maybe the American flag should be on the back of milk cartons with a number to call in case you encounter such a menace.
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Post#1172 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 9:59 am

rarefind I am agreeing with you. We should never invent ways to blame victims. Masai knows this first hand.
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Post#1174 » by ash_k » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:21 pm

Pointgod wrote:Guys racism is all in black people’s heads. It’s a class issue.


why does that mean? getting called the N-word by Caucasians is in black's people heads? or sensing the energy in room drop during a job interview the moment the interviewer finds out the color of the interviewee? you know things like that and many..so all in black people's head?
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Post#1175 » by thunderforce » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:20 pm

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thunderforce wrote:Can I say something , not trying to be racist but why can't people listen to the police , then no one would be hurt . They don't come into this looking to hurt or kill people of any race . I am white and if a white person gets killed because they are not listening to and fighting the police most white people will say he deserved it because he was an idiot . If these people marching want no police or no police to stop people because they are black then black criminals will own the streets and the cities and ask yourself who would want to live in that world ? 90 percent of normal people will never go for that . If a cop kills a black person for nothing they should go to jail but come on that almost never happens . I think the reason the lines are getting blurred is because the democrats have gone insane and want crime to become not against the law and that is the main reason Trump is going to be re elected .


You have gone insane and believe the Trump nonsense and fear mongering if you think the demand for equality is the same as wanting crime to be law.

Trump ain't perfect but I wish we had someone like him here , he is doing all the right things their economy was the best in the world and will be again while here we are circling the toilet , it is getting worse all the time because the liberals are destroying our economy and they are spending so much pretty soon we are going to be exactly like Venezuela .
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Post#1176 » by Fairview4Life » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:23 pm

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Post#1177 » by maternal85 » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:07 pm

thunderforce wrote:
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thunderforce wrote:Can I say something , not trying to be racist but why can't people listen to the police , then no one would be hurt . They don't come into this looking to hurt or kill people of any race . I am white and if a white person gets killed because they are not listening to and fighting the police most white people will say he deserved it because he was an idiot . If these people marching want no police or no police to stop people because they are black then black criminals will own the streets and the cities and ask yourself who would want to live in that world ? 90 percent of normal people will never go for that . If a cop kills a black person for nothing they should go to jail but come on that almost never happens . I think the reason the lines are getting blurred is because the democrats have gone insane and want crime to become not against the law and that is the main reason Trump is going to be re elected .

Criminals think the rules don't apply to them. The end. Police will react differently to suspects with priors.

If they lie they should go to jail , White criminals should be treated the same as all criminals , cops kill white criminals too you just don't hear about it , i bet it happens more than black criminals . All the people getting accused of crimes around Trump is nothing compared to what Obama got away with .


You bet it happens more? Nothing compared with Obama? You know your opinions are not facts ? Saying it over and over again doesn't mean it's real.
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Sample size of 1. No other details provided. Makes sweeping judgments. Logic in 2020. Move along.


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