NBA Trade Thread

[d boy gentleman]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2906064-every-nba-teams-dream-offseason-trade-target

Chicago Bulls: Joel Embiid

Putting a floor-spacing power forward in Lauri Markkanen and some three-point-happy guards in Zach LaVine and Coby White around him would help maximize his room to work inside the arc, and his elite defensive potential could erase a lot of poor team play on that end of the floor.

Hypothetically, if the Bulls were miraculously able to pull off this heist, Arturas and Marc should get statues, no doubt about it. Elton Brand has come out and said that they aren't trading Joel or Simmons, but still...

[Dez]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2906064-every-nba-teams-dream-offseason-trade-target

Chicago Bulls: Joel Embiid

Putting a floor-spacing power forward in Lauri Markkanen and some three-point-happy guards in Zach LaVine and Coby White around him would help maximize his room to work inside the arc, and his elite defensive potential could erase a lot of poor team play on that end of the floor.

Hypothetically, if the Bulls were miraculously able to pull off this heist, Arturas and Marc should get statues, no doubt about it. Elton Brand has come out and said that they aren't trading Joel or Simmons, but still...

So they're saying we should put Embiid next to Lauri, LaVine and White? Okay cool.

How the hell are we getting Embiid then if we're keeping Lauri, LaVine and White? Brand must be feeling mighty generous if he's giving us Embiid for WCJ/#4 and whatever scraps are left.

[kodo]

That idea is laughable, getting Embiid without giving up any of our main players. But I have read Markkanen's name come up a few times for Philly. The "floor spacing" Horford provides is laughable.



3 defenders in the paint when the shot goes up. And spacing won't improve when Simmons returns.

[rtblues]

Wondering what Zach Lavine's trade value is right now? The answer would be very telling in assessing his "actual" value.
If the sell-high thinking is true, it's time to look at this. Should the rest of the league's responses/offers be less than
exciting, it tells you something.

The talk of "building around" a player really isn't possible unless that player is an All-Star, an All-NBA first or 2nd team selection, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, something tangible and real and not hopes. I just don't think you can consider anything less than one of these high-level achievement players as a cornerstone player you build around, unless it is a generational, obvious talent rookie like Zion, and even then...

Arguments to the contrary are simply the cognitive dissonance thinking of a fan, in other words, "I wish it to be true, so it is".

I totally agree that Zach isn't a #1 option to "build around", but I also have significant doubts that he brings you back a guy or a pick that is at all likely to be a #1 option to build around (honestly, I don't think any of the top guys mentioned in this draft are a #1 option on a contender). I know folks are enamored with trading him for a handful of magic beans, but they are just regular beans.

Well, now you've sort of confirmed it. If he wouldn't bring very much in return in a trade, what does it say about his actual value?
If he was a seriously sought after commodity, there would be something more in return than the magic beans you reference. And no, you would not get back a guy that you could build around, since, again, you've got to give good to get good.

The trade market and the values it ultimately assigns players are in-fact the ultimate acid-test of a player's worth, that trumps all of our opinions. Plus, this was a "sell-high" scenario we were playing out, so it should truly be his max value. Like Las Vegas odds-makers, the trade market also doesn't lie. It is what it is, it's not a matter of opinion, it's just the reality.

In the original post, I really only posed the question if it was time to look at trading Zach, while the Bulls would be "trading high" as he is in his prime and still on a good contract. I wasn't necessarily advocating for it, but just asking what people thought the value may actually be and how telling that answer may be.

[drosereturn]

Wondering what Zach Lavine's trade value is right now? The answer would be very telling in assessing his "actual" value.
If the sell-high thinking is true, it's time to look at this. Should the rest of the league's responses/offers be less than
exciting, it tells you something.

The talk of "building around" a player really isn't possible unless that player is an All-Star, an All-NBA first or 2nd team selection, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, something tangible and real and not hopes. I just don't think you can consider anything less than one of these high-level achievement players as a cornerstone player you build around, unless it is a generational, obvious talent rookie like Zion, and even then...

Arguments to the contrary are simply the cognitive dissonance thinking of a fan, in other words, "I wish it to be true, so it is".

I totally agree that Zach isn't a #1 option to "build around", but I also have significant doubts that he brings you back a guy or a pick that is at all likely to be a #1 option to build around (honestly, I don't think any of the top guys mentioned in this draft are a #1 option on a contender). I know folks are enamored with trading him for a handful of magic beans, but they are just regular beans.

Its really unrealistic to expect a number 1 option back if Lavine was never a number1 despite getting 35 usg.
They tried him out for full 2 yrs, sorry it didnt work out. And he is not going to have higher value bc of contract yrs left and will sign a max soon for putting up numbers. I know a top 5 pick isnt very appealing but if they can get it, they should probably pull the trigger bc you have then time for rebuild instead of rushing it with max players who dont actually deserve it. Basically, drafting a star with at least 2 max space is how you become top team. Think of Dallas with Luka, KP and another max.

[Dez]

Wondering what Zach Lavine's trade value is right now? The answer would be very telling in assessing his "actual" value.
If the sell-high thinking is true, it's time to look at this. Should the rest of the league's responses/offers be less than
exciting, it tells you something.

The talk of "building around" a player really isn't possible unless that player is an All-Star, an All-NBA first or 2nd team selection, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP, something tangible and real and not hopes. I just don't think you can consider anything less than one of these high-level achievement players as a cornerstone player you build around, unless it is a generational, obvious talent rookie like Zion, and even then...

Arguments to the contrary are simply the cognitive dissonance thinking of a fan, in other words, "I wish it to be true, so it is".

I totally agree that Zach isn't a #1 option to "build around", but I also have significant doubts that he brings you back a guy or a pick that is at all likely to be a #1 option to build around (honestly, I don't think any of the top guys mentioned in this draft are a #1 option on a contender). I know folks are enamored with trading him for a handful of magic beans, but they are just regular beans.

Its really unrealistic to expect a number 1 option back if Lavine was never a number1 despite getting 35 usg.
They tried him out for full 2 yrs, sorry it didnt work out. And he is not going to have higher value bc of contract yrs left and will sign a max soon for putting up numbers. I know a top 5 pick isnt very appealing but if they can get it, they should probably pull the trigger bc you have then time for rebuild instead of rushing it with max players who dont actually deserve it. Basically, drafting a star with at least 2 max space is how you become top team. Think of Dallas with Luka, KP and another max.

"It didn't work out"? LaVine is the only one working out, Lauri regressing and not actually adding to his game is what has been holding the team back.

- Streaky shooter
- No post game
- Can't create for himself
- Defensive liability
- Can't take advantage of mismatches

How about actually sending criticism to where it's warranted rather than LaVine where it isn't?

Of course you won't answer this since you ignore every factual point shown to you.

[d boy gentleman]

That idea is laughable, getting Embiid without giving up any of our main players. But I have read Markkanen's name come up a few times for Philly. The "floor spacing" Horford provides is laughable.



3 defenders in the paint when the shot goes up. And spacing won't improve when Simmons returns.

Agreed. Any hypothetical trade would require both Lauri and Carter and probably Young to match up Joel's salary.

[Chi town]

That idea is laughable, getting Embiid without giving up any of our main players. But I have read Markkanen's name come up a few times for Philly. The "floor spacing" Horford provides is laughable.



3 defenders in the paint when the shot goes up. And spacing won't improve when Simmons returns.

Agreed. Any hypothetical trade would require both Lauri and Carter and probably Young to match up Joel's salary.

If Brand trades Embiid it will be with Harris. If Simmons with Horford. Any trade will have to clear cap to balance roster and set them up to sign another max player that fits.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Sure, Embiid would be great for Bulls, but what can we give them, Markkanen, Carter, 4th pick and next years 1st rounder?

[d boy gentleman]

That idea is laughable, getting Embiid without giving up any of our main players. But I have read Markkanen's name come up a few times for Philly. The "floor spacing" Horford provides is laughable.



3 defenders in the paint when the shot goes up. And spacing won't improve when Simmons returns.

Agreed. Any hypothetical trade would require both Lauri and Carter and probably Young to match up Joel's salary.

If Brand trades Embiid it will be with Harris. If Simmons with Horford. Any trade will have to clear cap to balance roster and set them up to sign another max player that fits.

If that's the case, you can always throw Porter's expiring deal in there as well. Harris is solid; overpaid, but solid

[Chi town]

Agreed. Any hypothetical trade would require both Lauri and Carter and probably Young to match up Joel's salary.

If Brand trades Embiid it will be with Harris. If Simmons with Horford. Any trade will have to clear cap to balance roster and set them up to sign another max player that fits.

If that's the case, you can always throw Porter's expiring deal in there as well. Harris is solid; overpaid, but solid

What does a Coby Lavine Harris Embiid core do?

I don’t think it’s enough to win the East. I don’t trust Embiid’s health either.

Taking Harris’ contract is a big deal.
Otto, Young, Lauri, WCJ, 4th Pick for Embiid Harris.

I know many would. I wouldn’t.

[Chicagoat]

Trading for Embiid is fools gold. The guy has such a whiner mentality and he can't stay on the floor. I would hesitate greatly in trading the farm for him OR Simmons.

I would prefer Simmons since he has an interesting skillet. But in my opinion, offering anything more than Lavine, Lauri, and a protected future first is a bad move.

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[ChettheJet]

In Bleacher Report Fantasy Land I still don't see how #4, Carter and everybody but Markkanen, White and Lavine swings the deal. The more picks the Bulls have to add holds back any progress they could make building the roster

If that's the case, you can always throw Porter's expiring deal in there as well. Harris is solid; overpaid, but solid

Let's have a reality check. It's somehow acceptable to add in Harris, described right here as "solid, overpaid bu solid" and his #35M long term contract but we can't consider Lavine at under $20 for just 2 more years to be worthy of consideration as a #1. OK Lavine comes up at a #2 at least he allows for the miracle of there being room financially for a true #1. Taking on Harris, shuts out a #1 and a #2, maybe even a #3 with so much invested in solid.

[rtblues]

How's this, I don't even want Joel Embid on the Bulls. Thank you, no. Hard pass...

[Chi town]

In Bleacher Report Fantasy Land I still don't see how #4, Carter and everybody but Markkanen, White and Lavine swings the deal. The more picks the Bulls have to add holds back any progress they could make building the roster

If that's the case, you can always throw Porter's expiring deal in there as well. Harris is solid; overpaid, but solid

Let's have a reality check. It's somehow acceptable to add in Harris, described right here as "solid, overpaid bu solid" and his #35M long term contract but we can't consider Lavine at under $20 for just 2 more years to be worthy of consideration as a #1. OK Lavine comes up at a #2 at least he allows for the miracle of there being room financially for a true #1. Taking on Harris, shuts out a #1 and a #2, maybe even a #3 with so much invested in solid.

What? Embiid becomes your 1. Lavine your 2. Coby 3 and Harris your 4th options.

Harris has big negative value due to his contract in a falling cap. He’s still a productive player though. Just way overpaid as a 4th option.

[Chi town]

How's this, I don't even want Joel Embid on the Bulls. Thank you, no. Hard pass...

Either do I. Doesn’t mean AK doesn’t want him though.

[MrSparkle]

The trick with trading for a star is selling fool's gold. So IMO, these fit the criteria:

LaVine (21 UFA)
Lauri (21 RFA)
#4 (bad draft)

I don't add Otto's expiring to take on Horford or Harris though. If that happens, then I'd keep the #4 pick and try to off-load a few more deadweight salaries (Thad, Felicio) and take back something else decent. At that point though, you don't really have a remotely good team anymore, particularly if it's Horford. Just hoping to be able to convert the rest of the pieces into a competent starting wing.

I don't see PHI's asking price to be within realm of reason since they're not really shopping Embiid. I do think they should consider moving Simmons and Horford or Harris for Beal and Wall. Seems like a reasonable trade. DC is in the tank anyway; wait for Simmons to recover.

[drosereturn]

The trick with trading for a star is selling fool's gold. So IMO, these fit the criteria:

LaVine (21 UFA)
Lauri (21 RFA)
#4 (bad draft)

I don't add Otto's expiring to take on Horford or Harris though. If that happens, then I'd keep the #4 pick and try to off-load a few more deadweight salaries (Thad, Felicio) and take back something else decent. At that point though, you don't really have a remotely good team anymore, particularly if it's Horford. Just hoping to be able to convert the rest of the pieces into a competent starting wing.

I don't see PHI's asking price to be within realm of reason since they're not really shopping Embiid. I do think they should consider moving Simmons and Horford or Harris for Beal and Wall. Seems like a reasonable trade. DC is in the tank anyway; wait for Simmons to recover.

I think the Bulls have to take on Horford/Harris and get picks/Thybulle bc they lack veteran leadership and talent.
Would do something like Horford /Thybulle for Thad/Felicio/Sato and trade Carter as well bc Al can play 30 min for the sake of his contract while teaching Gafford.

Something like Ball/Lavine/Thy/Lauri/Horford is what I want with Horford being starter until 23' and Thybulle for another decade.
SF is the hardest position to fill in and Bulls get by taking worst contract while also filling 2 positions and use Carter to move up for Ball. The most ideal scenario would be trade Lavine for a S&T AD superstar or max level type player and let White play Lavine 2.0.
Ball, Thybulle and Horford are starting no matter who comes so Lauri might get moved since a star will be his replacement.

[Bulldog23]

It is hard to create a trade without understanding whether the Bulls want to win, accumulate talent, or coaching philosophy.

[sco]

Given the statements made by Philly about keeping Simmons and Embiid, I am doubting anything happens with either guy.

What about a deal to "help them" - trading Lauri and Hutch for Thybulle, Korkmaz and #21?