2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[BallstriKer]

Sign and trade Ibaka, Stanley, McCaw and cash for Mitchell Robinson, Wayne Ellington and Bobby Portis (team option to be declined).

Would Ibaka like to make coin in the Big Apple? Seems a cool enough city for him?

PG Lowry - FVV - TD
SG FVV - Powell - Thomas
SF OG - Ellington - Watson
PF Siakam - Boucher - #29
C Marc - Robinson - Boucher

I think the Knicks are pretty high on Robinson being part of their core. But otherwise this would not be a bad trade.

[Psubs]

Sign and trade Ibaka, Stanley, McCaw and cash for Mitchell Robinson, Wayne Ellington and Bobby Portis (team option to be declined).

Would Ibaka like to make coin in the Big Apple? Seems a cool enough city for him?

PG Lowry - FVV - TD
SG FVV - Powell - Thomas
SF OG - Ellington - Watson
PF Siakam - Boucher - #29
C Marc - Robinson - Boucher

I think the Knicks are pretty high on Robinson being part of their core. But otherwise this would not be a bad trade.

If the Raptors don't want to pay Ibaka over $20 million what about Julius Randle? I think he could survive as backup smallball C.

Knicks trade: Julius Randle ($18.9 million and Bobby Portis ($15.75 million team option to decline)
Raptors trade: Serge Ibaka, Patrick McCaw, Stanley Johnson and cash

Knicks have a lot of cap space, so the Raptors can dump McCaw and Stanley, freeing up roster spots without waiving them and being dead money. Knicks could pair Ibaka with Robinson and Ibaka could also play backup C.

Randle shot 34% from 3, one season ago. Maybe he regains that if he's not forced to score and shoots more open shots in the flow of our offense? He does rebound pretty well.

PG Lowry - FVV - TD
SG FVV - Powell - Thomas
SF OG - Powell - Watson
PF Siakam - Boucher - #29
C Marc - Randle - Boucher

[TheAlchemist]

If anyone can ever make Embiid a superstar, it's Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse.

But I'm not trading Siakam for him.

I'd give Philly OG, Hesitantly FVV, some picks.

But that really takes us out of the Giannis thing.

It also makes us question how the Embiid Siakam front court would work.

Embiid
Siakam
Norm
Terrence Davis
Lowry

It just doesn't feel the same without Freddy.

[OAKLEY_2]

Sign and trade Ibaka, Stanley, McCaw and cash for Mitchell Robinson, Wayne Ellington and Bobby Portis (team option to be declined).

Would Ibaka like to make coin in the Big Apple? Seems a cool enough city for him?

PG Lowry - FVV - TD
SG FVV - Powell - Thomas
SF OG - Ellington - Watson
PF Siakam - Boucher - #29
C Marc - Robinson - Boucher

I think the Knicks are pretty high on Robinson being part of their core. But otherwise this would not be a bad trade.

I was under the understanding in a S+T you cannot add players to the mix outgoing with free agents leaving. They can send back a player with trade exemption like say Bosh for Michael Beasely plus TPE in the amount of the difference in salaries.

[Mr Swagtastic]

If anyone can ever make Embiid a superstar, it's Masai Ujiri and Nick Nurse.

But I'm not trading Siakam for him.

I'd give Philly OG, Hesitantly FVV, some picks.

But that really takes us out of the Giannis thing.

It also makes us question how the Embiid Siakam front court would work.

Embiid
Siakam
Norm
Terrence Davis
Lowry

It just doesn't feel the same without Freddy.

One of biggest Anunoby and Freddy supporters but Philly doesn't do that. Embiid has shown he is a top ten player with an argument to be in that top 3-5 range. Granted things have to change with him but you don't give him to a rival team for this kind of deal. In '21 Toronto could still aggressively and realistically still acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo which would be scary. Can you imagine a front court of Giannis, Embiid and Pascal like nobody is scoring on the inside

[pr0gr4m]

Keeping Fred on a big contract isn't the best idea. I would sell high on Fred as soon as possible once he is re-signed. I would look towards the Knicks and get Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina from the Knicks. They could be developed into strong assets that could be used as role players or pieces in future trades.

I would re-sign Ibaka as the future center and back up center for the next 5 years. He's held up very well the last 5 years. I would offer a 5 year 50M contract. I would also keep Boucher as insurance as a cheap center back up.

I would draft Paul Reed in the first round and use the last pick to dump Johnson. He's an older prospect that can grind in the Raptors dev system for the next two years before becoming a cheap asset. The Knicks have a poor development system that we could contrast through Knox and Ntilikina who are young former top 10 picks.

Ibaka/Robinson
Siakam/Reed
Anunoby/Watson/Knox(Gleague)
Powell/Thomas/Ntilikina(Gleague)
Lowry/Davis

[execoftheyear]

Keeping Fred on a big contract isn't the best idea. I would sell high on Fred as soon as possible once he is re-signed. I would look towards the Knicks and get Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina from the Knicks. They could be developed into strong assets that could be used as role players or pieces in future trades.

I would re-sign Ibaka as the future center and back up center for the next 5 years. He's held up very well the last 5 years. I would offer a 5 year 50M contract. I would also keep Boucher as insurance as a cheap center back up.

I would draft Paul Reed in the first round and use the last pick to dump Johnson. He's an older prospect that can grind in the Raptors dev system for the next two years before becoming a cheap asset. The Knicks have a poor development system that we could contrast through Knox and Ntilikina who are young former top 10 picks.

Ibaka/Robinson
Siakam/Reed
Anunoby/Watson/Knox(Gleague)
Powell/Thomas/Ntilikina(Gleague)
Lowry/Davis

I don't think Masai would do Fred dirty like that and I don't think the knicks would give up that many assets when they can just outright sign him unless they really really like him.

[youngthegiant]

#22 for Terence Davis or Norman Powell? Although it would tricky for Powell since he makes more money.

[Psubs]

#22 for Terence Davis or Norman Powell? Although it would tricky for Powell since he makes more money.

Hmmmm, I'd probably not trade TD for #22.

Maybe for a pick high enough to draft Vassell or Patrick Williams

[720]

We should really try to get Jrue here. Maybe sign and trade Fred for him. Or maybe Lowry and draft picks, etc.

[Raptors_128]

We should really try to get Jrue here. Maybe sign and trade Fred for him. Or maybe Lowry and draft picks, etc.

Jrue would be an expiring contract so I wouldn’t do Lowry + draft picks because we can’t afford to lose picks now.

I would love a FVV sign-and-trade though (unless Fred is only asking for $18 mill per year to stay).

[Mr Swagtastic]

#22 for Terence Davis or Norman Powell? Although it would tricky for Powell since he makes more money.

Norman Powell fine but Terence Davis probably not. Kid has a lot of potential to be a good bench player idk who Toronto is going to be looking at though with #21 and #29. Maybe use them to move up or for a future pick?

Keeping Fred on a big contract isn't the best idea. I would sell high on Fred as soon as possible once he is re-signed. I would look towards the Knicks and get Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina from the Knicks. They could be developed into strong assets that could be used as role players or pieces in future trades.

I would re-sign Ibaka as the future center and back up center for the next 5 years. He's held up very well the last 5 years. I would offer a 5 year 50M contract. I would also keep Boucher as insurance as a cheap center back up.

I would draft Paul Reed in the first round and use the last pick to dump Johnson. He's an older prospect that can grind in the Raptors dev system for the next two years before becoming a cheap asset. The Knicks have a poor development system that we could contrast through Knox and Ntilikina who are young former top 10 picks.

Ibaka/Robinson
Siakam/Reed
Anunoby/Watson/Knox(Gleague)
Powell/Thomas/Ntilikina(Gleague)
Lowry/Davis

Why does everyone want The Knicks garbage? Nitakinla is crap, can't shoot, can't create his own offense nor can he be a PGOTF. I don't get the love for him, Mitchell Robinson is good but not at the price of Freddy. Kevin Knox has been a major bust. For a guy his size he's a bad rebounder and idk what he's going to bring here? Anunoby should be the starting SF and Pascal is the PF unless you want Knox to take over Hollis-Jefferson's spot. Knox also can't shoot Toronto should look to bring Freddy back on a hometown discount deal like 4 years $85 million.

[pr0gr4m]

#22 for Terence Davis or Norman Powell? Although it would tricky for Powell since he makes more money.

Norman Powell fine but Terence Davis probably not. Kid has a lot of potential to be a good bench player idk who Toronto is going to be looking at though with #21 and #29. Maybe use them to move up or for a future pick?

Keeping Fred on a big contract isn't the best idea. I would sell high on Fred as soon as possible once he is re-signed. I would look towards the Knicks and get Knox, Robinson, and Ntilikina from the Knicks. They could be developed into strong assets that could be used as role players or pieces in future trades.

I would re-sign Ibaka as the future center and back up center for the next 5 years. He's held up very well the last 5 years. I would offer a 5 year 50M contract. I would also keep Boucher as insurance as a cheap center back up.

I would draft Paul Reed in the first round and use the last pick to dump Johnson. He's an older prospect that can grind in the Raptors dev system for the next two years before becoming a cheap asset. The Knicks have a poor development system that we could contrast through Knox and Ntilikina who are young former top 10 picks.

Ibaka/Robinson
Siakam/Reed
Anunoby/Watson/Knox(Gleague)
Powell/Thomas/Ntilikina(Gleague)
Lowry/Davis

Why does everyone want The Knicks garbage? Nitakinla is crap, can't shoot, can't create his own offense nor can he be a PGOTF. I don't get the love for him, Mitchell Robinson is good but not at the price of Freddy. Kevin Knox has been a major bust. For a guy his size he's a bad rebounder and idk what he's going to bring here? Anunoby should be the starting SF and Pascal is the PF unless you want Knox to take over Hollis-Jefferson's spot. Knox also can't shoot Toronto should look to bring Freddy back on a hometown discount deal like 4 years $85 million.

Fred can't score inside the paint. He is going to be extremely limited against bigger teams. I see him struggling against Boston and finding stints of success against Walker.

[HeadtopChunes]

Probably try to trade Norm, dont think he's a long term guy for us. (by that i mean i dont think we'd pay his next deal)

Maybe Norm+29 to Orlando for 15+45


If our centers are gone (i wouldn't commit to Marc or Serge for more than 1 season) it be interesting to retool the scheme and aim for small ball instead. So you have one nominal starter (lets say like Derrick Favors) and another playmaker off the bench (although Marc maybe come back as 1-year backup C),

end up closing games with Klow/Fred/(maybe TD)x/OG/Siakam mostly

[nabbs]

To me Norm and sign and trade with Serge are the ways to retool the roster while also considering both will not be here past 2021.

If Masai wants to take his chances at Dipo and Giannis, I wonder if acquiring Dipo and his bird rights while getting off of salary entices Dipo to re-up with Toronto while also allowing us to sign Giannis and go in to the tax.

if Indiana feels Dipo is out the door, I'd imagine the trade value is low, especially when you consider his health.

Norm, Stanley, Mccaw, 2020 first, 2020 2nd and a 2021 2nd for Dipo.

Honestly I don't know what his trade value is and what Indiana is willing to accept given his depressed trade value but if they take that I don't think I would have a hard time accepting that deal.

[HeadtopChunes]

To me Norm and sign and trade with Serge are the ways to retool the roster while also considering both will not be here past 2021.

If Masai wants to take his chances at Dipo and Giannis, I wonder if acquiring Dipo and his bird rights while getting off of salary entices Dipo to re-up with Toronto while also allowing us to sign Giannis and go in to the tax.

if Indiana feels Dipo is out the door, I'd imagine the trade value is low, especially when you consider his health.

Norm, Stanley, Mccaw, 2020 first, 2020 2nd and a 2021 2nd for Dipo.

Honestly I don't know what his trade value is and what Indiana is willing to accept given his depressed trade value but if they take that I don't think I would have a hard time accepting that deal.

Dipo appears to be pretty set on Miami but im sure the FO could get at least a hint from his agent. But combined with him not looking very good since his return im not sure if id be willing to give up a lot for him. Although that package isn't anything too valuable so it be okay with me.

Mainly more about whats the likelihood he reups, also concerned that he hasn't looked like a max player since his return and i wouldn't want to Tobias harris us

[nabbs]

To me Norm and sign and trade with Serge are the ways to retool the roster while also considering both will not be here past 2021.

If Masai wants to take his chances at Dipo and Giannis, I wonder if acquiring Dipo and his bird rights while getting off of salary entices Dipo to re-up with Toronto while also allowing us to sign Giannis and go in to the tax.

if Indiana feels Dipo is out the door, I'd imagine the trade value is low, especially when you consider his health.

Norm, Stanley, Mccaw, 2020 first, 2020 2nd and a 2021 2nd for Dipo.

Honestly I don't know what his trade value is and what Indiana is willing to accept given his depressed trade value but if they take that I don't think I would have a hard time accepting that deal.

Dipo appears to be pretty set on Miami but im sure the FO could get at least a hint from his agent. But combined with him not looking very good since his return im not sure if id be willing to give up a lot for him. Although that package isn't anything too valuable so it be okay with me.

Mainly more about whats the likelihood he reups, also concerned that he hasn't looked like a max player since his return and i wouldn't want to Tobias harris us

The assumption I make here is the med/training staff have a scrum with Masai/Bobby and all parties come away convinced after looking at his medicals that they can rehab him in to at least 85-90% of what he was. If that's the case then that's a legitimate 3 way scoring threat in the pick and roll that is no liability defensively. Half court offense is our biggest weakness and if the goal is to compete immediately, that's a move where it allows to compete now and his money expires in 2021. If we have his bird rights, there is a scenario where Raps potentially sign Giannis first in 2021 and then use bird rights to re-sign Dipo and go in to the tax.

[HeadtopChunes]

To me Norm and sign and trade with Serge are the ways to retool the roster while also considering both will not be here past 2021.

If Masai wants to take his chances at Dipo and Giannis, I wonder if acquiring Dipo and his bird rights while getting off of salary entices Dipo to re-up with Toronto while also allowing us to sign Giannis and go in to the tax.

if Indiana feels Dipo is out the door, I'd imagine the trade value is low, especially when you consider his health.

Norm, Stanley, Mccaw, 2020 first, 2020 2nd and a 2021 2nd for Dipo.

Honestly I don't know what his trade value is and what Indiana is willing to accept given his depressed trade value but if they take that I don't think I would have a hard time accepting that deal.

Dipo appears to be pretty set on Miami but im sure the FO could get at least a hint from his agent. But combined with him not looking very good since his return im not sure if id be willing to give up a lot for him. Although that package isn't anything too valuable so it be okay with me.

Mainly more about whats the likelihood he reups, also concerned that he hasn't looked like a max player since his return and i wouldn't want to Tobias harris us

The assumption I make here is the med/training staff have a scrum with Masai/Bobby and all parties come away convinced after looking at his medicals that they can rehab him in to at least 85-90% of what he was. If that's the case then that's a legitimate 3 way scoring threat in the pick and roll that is no liability defensively. Half court offense is our biggest weakness and if the goal is to compete immediately, that's a move where it allows to compete now and his money expires in 2021. If we have his bird rights, there is a scenario where Raps potentially sign Giannis first in 2021 and then use bird rights to re-sign Dipo and go in to the tax.

Yeah the upside is clear and again that package isn't particularly valuable either so even if it doesn't work out its not the end of the world.

Howeever it would probably mean dumping Fred though no? I haven't checked but im assuming Dipo's caphold is too big to fit a max with Pascal and Fred on the books.

[HeadtopChunes]

Dipo appears to be pretty set on Miami but im sure the FO could get at least a hint from his agent. But combined with him not looking very good since his return im not sure if id be willing to give up a lot for him. Although that package isn't anything too valuable so it be okay with me.

Mainly more about whats the likelihood he reups, also concerned that he hasn't looked like a max player since his return and i wouldn't want to Tobias harris us

The assumption I make here is the med/training staff have a scrum with Masai/Bobby and all parties come away convinced after looking at his medicals that they can rehab him in to at least 85-90% of what he was. If that's the case then that's a legitimate 3 way scoring threat in the pick and roll that is no liability defensively. Half court offense is our biggest weakness and if the goal is to compete immediately, that's a move where it allows to compete now and his money expires in 2021. If we have his bird rights, there is a scenario where Raps potentially sign Giannis first in 2021 and then use bird rights to re-sign Dipo and go in to the tax.

Yeah the upside is clear and again that package isn't particularly valuable either so even if it doesn't work out its not the end of the world.

Howeever it would probably mean dumping Fred though no? I haven't checked but im assuming Dipo's caphold is too big to fit a max with Pascal and Fred on the books.

yeah dipos cap hold is 31.5M

So looking at the 21 books

we got

Siakam at 31.2M
OG Cap Hold 9.7M
TD Cap Hold 2M
Matt Thomas + Dewan on mins

Adds up to 46.5M

assuming 115M cap

a 30% max would be 34.5M

so

that adds up to 81M

leaves 34M. With Dipos Caphold that would leave 3.5M in cap space (probably less assuming we draft someone in 21), so no Fred and really not much depth either it seems. Idk if this trio would be worth not having a bench basically

[Psubs]

Oladipo is going to do a Durant by signing in Miami!??!?!

Let's poach Dragic for the 4 year MLE with no raises.

PG Lowry - FVV - TD
SG FVV - Dragic - Thomas
SF OG - Powell - #59
PF Siakam - OG - Boucher
C Gasol - Ibaka #29

Nevermind, I can see him signing with the Mavs to play with Luka Doncic.

Mavs let Courtney Lee and Barea walk.

PG Dragic - Wright/Brunson
SG Hardaway - Curry
SF Doncic - FinneySmith
PF Porzingis - Kleber
C Powell - Boban