Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[xdrta+]

About I week ago on the trade board, I saw a proposal for #2 & Paschall & Looney & TPE to ATL for #6 and Clint Capela. Thoughts?

He doesn't fit in the TPE. He is making 17.5, TPE is 17.2

Where do you get that Capela is making $17.5M?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

[Mylie10]

He doesn't fit in the TPE. He is making 17.5, TPE is 17.2

Where do you get that Capela is making $17.5M?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

Spotrac has Capella at 16 mil

[statsman]

He doesn't fit in the TPE. He is making 17.5, TPE is 17.2

Where do you get that Capela is making $17.5M?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

Isn't part of the $17.5M the "likely" bonus of $1M for reaching the Western Conference finals?

Houston didn't reach the Western Conference finals in 2018-19, and the team he was traded to isn't even in the playoffs for 2019-20 and hasn't been since 2016-17 (assuming they transferred the bonus requirement from the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference).

Is there a mechanism with which a likely bonus gets reclassified as an unlikely bonus?

[ShayDee]

Where do you get that Capela is making $17.5M?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

Spotrac has Capella at 16 mil

I'm not sure how this works, would they use the full salary + incentives or they use it without incentives in a trade. But You are right, it will fit TPE without incentives. BUT if we are picking up Capela and paying him 16 mil when he has no offensive game, why not take the higher ceiling, bigger, faster, better ball handling and rebounding big in Wiseman at 2 with no bad injury history and pay him 8 mil instead?

[Mylie10]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

Spotrac has Capella at 16 mil

I'm not sure how this works, would they use the full salary + incentives or they use it without incentives in a trade. But You are right, it will fit TPE without incentives. BUT if we are picking up Capela and paying him 16 mil when he has no offensive game, why not take the higher ceiling, bigger, faster, better ball handling and rebounding big in Wiseman at 2 with no bad injury history and pay him 8 mil instead?

I was just responding to a previous trade idea another poster had. By no means am I pushing for Capella.

[xdrta+]

Where do you get that Capela is making $17.5M?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ATL.html

Isn't part of the $17.5M the "likely" bonus of $1M for reaching the Western Conference finals?

Houston didn't reach the Western Conference finals in 2018-19, and the team he was traded to isn't even in the playoffs for 2019-20 and hasn't been since 2016-17 (assuming they transferred the bonus requirement from the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference).

Is there a mechanism with which a likely bonus gets reclassified as an unlikely bonus?

Yeah, you're right, team-related incentives get re-classified when a player is traded, so a likely incentive can go to unlikely. Likely would count but not unlikely. So I guess he would fit. I still don't want him.

[basketballRob]

Vuc for Wiggins, Fournier 17.1m for the tpe, DJ signed 6m for the 2nd pick?

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[Little Digger]

Vuc for Wiggins, Fournier 17.1m for the tpe, DJ signed 6m for the 2nd pick?

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No thanks..W’s are more interested in winning than scoring

[watch1958]

Suppose Minny drafts Edwards, and GSW drafts Wiseman. Then another said "we'll trade our pick this year for the Minny pick next year". Are there any players in the rest of the draft that you'd do that for? Or any two picks this year that any one team has in this draft?

[spree8]

How would you allocate draft picks if these were the players traded? Could the Warriors still keep #2 with this trade scenario?

Knicks get
Kevon Looney
Furkan Korkman
Ky Bowman

Warriors get
Al Horford
Frank Ntilikina

76ers get
Andrew Wiggins
Mitchell Robinson

If the Knicks like this, cut out the Sixers and we'll give them a couple 2nd round picks for MitchRob. If we want a young, long and athletic rim runner/shot blocker I'd rather have him than Wiseman. And we would get to keep Wiggins who is clearly the best player in this deal.

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

[Warriors Analyst]

Suppose Minny drafts Edwards, and GSW drafts Wiseman. Then another said "we'll trade our pick this year for the Minny pick next year". Are there any players in the rest of the draft that you'd do that for? Or any two picks this year that any one team has in this draft?

Really depends where the pick is. If we could grab someone between 10 and 14 and perhaps get an 2021 SRP, I'd be open to it. The 2021 draft is a weird one. It's quite hyped because of its prospects, but the NCAA season might not even happen, so teams may not get to see any of these guys play meaningful minutes above the AAU/HS level. I think in some ways, the hype of the 2021 draft might be at its peak right now until the reality of next year's uncertainty sets in. Whoever we would pick in 2021 might not be a useful player until 2022 or 2023 anyway and banking on that pick runs the risk of not meshing with our current timeline. In your scenario, say we do draft Wiseman and then pick up Hayes or Haliburton by trading down and grab someone like Crowder with the MLE, GRIII at the minimum.

Curry / Hayes / Poole
Klay / Lee / Mulder
Wiggins / Crowder / GRIII
Dray / Paschall / Crowder
Chriss / Wiseman / Looney

That's a pretty solid team. Still don't feel great about the C rotation, but it's an intriguing roster. I think i'd rather go Advija at the #2 and Haliburton with the additional pick in this scenario, grab Baynes at MLE.

Curry / Haliburton / Poole
Klay / Lee / Mulder
Wiggins / Advija / GRIII
Green / Paschall / Advija
Chriss / Baynes / Looney

[GQ Hot Dog]

How would you allocate draft picks if these were the players traded? Could the Warriors still keep #2 with this trade scenario?

Knicks get
Kevon Looney
Furkan Korkman
Ky Bowman

Warriors get
Al Horford
Frank Ntilikina

76ers get
Andrew Wiggins
Mitchell Robinson

If the Knicks like this, cut out the Sixers and we'll give them a couple 2nd round picks for MitchRob. If we want a young, long and athletic rim runner/shot blocker I'd rather have him than Wiseman. And we would get to keep Wiggins who is clearly the best player in this deal.

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

It's been floated many times on this board.

#2, Warriors 2021 1st(lottery protected until it conveys) to the Knicks

MitchRob, #8, Knicks 2021 1st(top-10 protected, then top-5, then top-1, then unprotected) to the Warriors

[spree8]

If the Knicks like this, cut out the Sixers and we'll give them a couple 2nd round picks for MitchRob. If we want a young, long and athletic rim runner/shot blocker I'd rather have him than Wiseman. And we would get to keep Wiggins who is clearly the best player in this deal.

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

It's been floated many times on this board.

#2, Warriors 2021 1st(lottery protected until it conveys) to the Knicks

MitchRob, #8, Knicks 2021 1st(top-10 protected, then top-5, then top-1, then unprotected) to the Warriors

That’s a massive overpay. Wiseman is the only pick I’d trade Mitch for, and it’s scary even doing that since Mitch is already proven. Adding the 8th pick and our 1st next year is mind blowing. I mean, you said so yourself that you’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman, so why is it fair to ask for all of that on top of it?

[wco81]

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

If Robinson is legit, a DPOY contender, why would you trade him?

[spree8]

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

If Robinson is legit, a DPOY contender, why would you trade him?

Because of the situation my team is in. We need a #1/2 on offense next to RJ. Wiseman has that potential... it’s no guarantee by any means, but I’m willing to take the risk because of the state of the franchise... I’d swing for the fences.

If I’m the Warriors... different circumstance. I’d want the sure thing and wouldn’t wanna take a gamble because of the age of my core. I’d want someone to step in right away and contribute... someone cheap, very efficient, defensive minded, and still more room to grow.

I think it’s a win win.

[ShayDee]

No chance the Knicks do anything remotely close to this. Robinson is legit. Under Thibs he should be in the convo for DPOY within a couple years.. once he learns to stay out of foul trouble.

If you’d rather have him than Wiseman, why not just make a fair offer with the 2nd pick for Mitch straight up? Mitch is on a crazy cheap contract and is proven... let NY take the gamble on Wiseman while being able to pair him with his boy RJ.

If Robinson is legit, a DPOY contender, why would you trade him?

Because of the situation my team is in. We need a #1/2 on offense next to RJ. Wiseman has that potential... it’s no guarantee by any means, but I’m willing to take the risk because of the state of the franchise... I’d swing for the fences.

If I’m the Warriors... different circumstance. I’d want the sure thing and wouldn’t wanna take a gamble because of the age of my core. I’d want someone to step in right away and contribute... someone cheap, very efficient, defensive minded, and still more room to grow.

I think it’s a win win.

They not trading #2 for Rob. Maybe Rob + 8 + 27 + DAL 21

[wco81]

Yeah you're not getting the #2 of the draft for what is a good starter, not an all-star.

[spree8]

Yeah you're not getting the #2 of the draft for what is a good starter, not an all-star.

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Yeah you're not getting the #2 of the draft for what is a good starter, not an all-star.

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

[spree8]

Yeah you're not getting the #2 of the draft for what is a good starter, not an all-star.

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.