Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Klomp]

I'd have to look at Markkanen again, but I don't remember him being as good on-ball as say Avdija.

[youngthegiant]

Monte Morris for Josh Okogie? You get a solid pg who could potentially play alongside Russell and we get some defense.

[KGdaBom]

Monte Morris for Josh Okogie? You get a solid pg who could potentially play alongside Russell and we get some defense.

It's a fair trade IMO, but we don't have a true SF on the team IMO and Okogie is the closest we got to an SF. We can't afford to send him out.
I'm hoping we resign J Mac and that would pretty much eliminate any need for a PG.

[Klomp]

A lot of people have discussed trade down possibilities with Charlotte. Most of the discussion has centered around PJ Washington. I brought up Miles Bridges the other day. But what about Malik Monk? There are a few things that hold me back from going all-in on him, but I think the tools are intriguing.

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[shrink]

Monte Morris for Josh Okogie? You get a solid pg who could potentially play alongside Russell and we get some defense.

I don’t think it’s unfair either, but adding another PG is not a priority here - wing defense is.

[Wolveswin]

I am like many here and think Simmons is target #1.

Some have said he doesn't work with Russell -- who also needs the ball in hand. I think a little differently, they actually compliment each other perfectly and need each other to take their respective next step in their NBA journey.

Russell is a dribble-driver. More of a scoring SG than an offense initiator. Simmons needs the ball in his hands in transition -- but not in the half court. Boom, peas and carrots. Peanut butter and jelly.

Simmons would become the offense initiator from one of the forward positions, with the ball in his hand during transition moments. During half court sets, Russell will have ball in hand, and Simmons can go down low. Simmons should have space to work with Towns spotting up for 8-10 3PT attempts per game and the other F being a spot up shooter (corner 3 becomes important). Simmons would have a guard (Russell) to take over the 'guard' duties so he can get closer to the rim where he is actually a threat to score -- and his man can't slack off to play help D.

Towns
Hernangomez
Simmons
Beasley
Russell

That is a lethal lineup. Simmons can D-up any forward or big who is not 'traditional center' in which Towns needs that matchup. If Beasley and Russell can play passible D on guards, team will survive on defense. But, I would think Okogie would play a big role. He would be quick off the bench as 6th man to play role of shut down defensive guard. Okogie would become a defensive juggernaut on opposing team's lead guard -- allowing Saunders to stagger the scoring of Beasley with other (non starting) units.

[KGdaBom]

A lot of people have discussed trade down possibilities with Charlotte. Most of the discussion has centered around PJ Washington. I brought up Miles Bridges the other day. But what about Malik Monk? There are a few things that hold me back from going all-in on him, but I think the tools are intriguing.

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No interest in Miles Bridges or Monk. If we make that trade our options will be Ball, Okongwu or Avdija. I see Bridges and Monk both as just taking up a roster spot. No plus to them at all IMO. If we did make that deal I would hope for Okongwu or Avdija, but I fear with might take Ball. On the other hand we make that deal and then trade 3 for some good asset and Still get Okongwu that would be OK with me. If we make that deal we better be getting a 21 FRP included.

[KGdaBom]

I am like many here and think Simmons is target #1.

Some have said he doesn't work with Russell -- who also needs the ball in hand. I think a little differently, they actually compliment each other perfectly and need each other to take their respective next step in their NBA journey.

Russell is a dribble-driver. More of a scoring SG than an offense initiator. Simmons needs the ball in his hands in transition -- but not in the half court. Boom, peas and carrots. Peanut butter and jelly.

Simmons would become the offense initiator from one of the forward positions, with the ball in his hand during transition moments. During half court sets, Russell will have ball in hand, and Simmons can go down low. Simmons should have space to work with Towns spotting up for 8-10 3PT attempts per game and the other F being a spot up shooter (corner 3 becomes important). Simmons would have a guard (Russell) to take over the 'guard' duties so he can get closer to the rim where he is actually a threat to score -- and his man can't slack off to play help D.

Towns
Hernangomez
Simmons
Beasley
Russell

That is a lethal lineup. Simmons can D-up any forward or big who is not 'traditional center' in which Towns needs that matchup. If Beasley and Russell can play passible D on guards, team will survive on defense. But, I would think Okogie would play a big role. He would be quick off the bench as 6th man to play role of shut down defensive guard. Okogie would become a defensive juggernaut on opposing team's lead guard -- allowing Saunders to stagger the scoring of Beasley with other (non starting) units.

I have no issues with Simmons, but Russell is not by any means a dribble-driver. He doesn't attack the rim at all.

[Wolveswin]

A Simmons trade I think makes a lot of sense...

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Redick + Hart + #13
Pelicans Get: #1 Overall (Ball or Edwards) + Culver + Horford + J. Johnson + #17
Pelicans Reasoning: set their future backcourt with #1 overall in back to back years.
Horford (mentors Hayes)
Zion
Ingram
Melo or Edwards
Zo
Plus Culver and Alexander-Walker and #17.

76ers Give: Simmons + Horford + Scott
76ers Get: Holiday + Redick + Hart + #13 + Future Wolves Draft Consideration
76ers Reasoning: trade not only saves them like 20MM instantly, gives them a great win-now reunion of Holiday and Redick. Holiday should re-sign for much more reasonable contract than Horford, and Redick re-signs for exception level contract.
Embiid
Harris
Richardson
Thybulle or Hart or Redick
Holiday
Plus #13, #21, #34, #36

Wolves Give: #1 Overall + J. Johnson + Culver + #17 + Future Draft Consideration
Wolves Get: Simmons + Scott
Wolves Reasoning: Saunders and Rosas have to think Simmons is the final piece to roster.
Towns
Herangomez
Simmons
Beasley
Russell

[Wolveswin]

I am like many here and think Simmons is target #1.

Some have said he doesn't work with Russell -- who also needs the ball in hand. I think a little differently, they actually compliment each other perfectly and need each other to take their respective next step in their NBA journey.

Russell is a dribble-driver. More of a scoring SG than an offense initiator. Simmons needs the ball in his hands in transition -- but not in the half court. Boom, peas and carrots. Peanut butter and jelly.

Simmons would become the offense initiator from one of the forward positions, with the ball in his hand during transition moments. During half court sets, Russell will have ball in hand, and Simmons can go down low. Simmons should have space to work with Towns spotting up for 8-10 3PT attempts per game and the other F being a spot up shooter (corner 3 becomes important). Simmons would have a guard (Russell) to take over the 'guard' duties so he can get closer to the rim where he is actually a threat to score -- and his man can't slack off to play help D.

Towns
Hernangomez
Simmons
Beasley
Russell

That is a lethal lineup. Simmons can D-up any forward or big who is not 'traditional center' in which Towns needs that matchup. If Beasley and Russell can play passible D on guards, team will survive on defense. But, I would think Okogie would play a big role. He would be quick off the bench as 6th man to play role of shut down defensive guard. Okogie would become a defensive juggernaut on opposing team's lead guard -- allowing Saunders to stagger the scoring of Beasley with other (non starting) units.

I have no issues with Simmons, but Russell is not by any means a dribble-driver. He doesn't attack the rim at all.

Let me clarify, he is a scorer off the dribble. He had 57% of his shots off the dribble and 22% catch and shoot. He uses the dribble to create (31% of shots came with 3-6 dribbles and 27% with 7+ dribbles). To me a dribble-driver doesn't mean it has to be all the way to rim -- but that could be one of the results from the dribbling.

[KGdaBom]

I am like many here and think Simmons is target #1.

Some have said he doesn't work with Russell -- who also needs the ball in hand. I think a little differently, they actually compliment each other perfectly and need each other to take their respective next step in their NBA journey.

Russell is a dribble-driver. More of a scoring SG than an offense initiator. Simmons needs the ball in his hands in transition -- but not in the half court. Boom, peas and carrots. Peanut butter and jelly.

Simmons would become the offense initiator from one of the forward positions, with the ball in his hand during transition moments. During half court sets, Russell will have ball in hand, and Simmons can go down low. Simmons should have space to work with Towns spotting up for 8-10 3PT attempts per game and the other F being a spot up shooter (corner 3 becomes important). Simmons would have a guard (Russell) to take over the 'guard' duties so he can get closer to the rim where he is actually a threat to score -- and his man can't slack off to play help D.

Towns
Hernangomez
Simmons
Beasley
Russell

That is a lethal lineup. Simmons can D-up any forward or big who is not 'traditional center' in which Towns needs that matchup. If Beasley and Russell can play passible D on guards, team will survive on defense. But, I would think Okogie would play a big role. He would be quick off the bench as 6th man to play role of shut down defensive guard. Okogie would become a defensive juggernaut on opposing team's lead guard -- allowing Saunders to stagger the scoring of Beasley with other (non starting) units.

I have no issues with Simmons, but Russell is not by any means a dribble-driver. He doesn't attack the rim at all.

Let me clarify, he is a scorer off the dribble. He had 57% of his shots off the dribble and 22% catch and shoot. He uses the dribble to create (31% of shots came with 3-6 dribbles and 27% with 7+ dribbles). To me a dribble-driver doesn't mean it has to be all the way to rim -- but that could be one of the results from the dribbling.

Not exactly, but close enough.

[minimus]

Would you like to test our luck again?

Trade with SAC:
Out: #1, #33, Spellman, Evans
In: #12, unprotected 2021 FRP, Richaun Holmes

Why for SAC: get Wiseman.
Why for MIN: next SAC will have to battle against LAL, LAC, GSW, PHO in division. So I would risk and trade our FRP for their next year FRP, 2021 draft looks better than 2020 draft.

Trade with ORL:
Out: #17, JJ
In: Aaron Gordon

Trade with NYK:
Out: #12, Nowell, Juancho
In: #8

Draft PG (Hayes, Maxey, Haliburton). Re-sign Beasley, Jmac, Kelan Martin (1+3).

KAT/Holmes/Reid
Gordon/Layman/Vanderbilt
Culver/Martin/Layman
Beasley/Okogie/DLo
DLo/Maxey/JMac

[IceManBK1]

Ben Simmons played with Dlo in HS and won state championships together. They should have good chemistry. I think having another person who can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense will ease the burden off dlo a bit. Simmons is very good pick and roll finisher. Great at drive and kick and finding open shooters. Dlo will get a lot of spot up opportunities. And if Dlo cuts to the basket Simmons will find him easily.

[KGdaBom]

Ben Simmons played with Dlo in HS and won state championships together. They should have good chemistry. I think having another person who can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense will ease the burden off dlo a bit. Simmons is very good pick and roll finisher. Great at drive and kick and finding open shooters. Dlo will get a lot of spot up opportunities. And if Dlo cuts to the basket Simmons will find him easily.

HS teammates. I had no Idea. Thanks for the tip.

[KGdaBom]

Would you like to test our luck again?

Trade with SAC:
Out: #1, #33, Spellman, Evans
In: #12, unprotected 2021 FRP, Richaun Holmes

Why for SAC: get Wiseman.
Why for MIN: next SAC will have to battle against LAL, LAC, GSW, PHO in division. So I would risk and trade our FRP for their next year FRP, 2021 draft looks better than 2020 draft.

Trade with ORL:
Out: #17, JJ
In: Aaron Gordon

Trade with NYK:
Out: #12, Nowell, Juancho
In: #8

Draft PG (Hayes, Maxey, Haliburton). Re-sign Beasley, Jmac, Kelan Martin (1+3).

KAT/Holmes/Reid
Gordon/Layman/Vanderbilt
Culver/Martin/Layman
Beasley/Okogie/DLo
DLo/Maxey/JMac

Hate it.

[Klomp]

Ben Simmons played with Dlo in HS and won state championships together. They should have good chemistry. I think having another person who can bring the ball up court and initiate the offense will ease the burden off dlo a bit. Simmons is very good pick and roll finisher. Great at drive and kick and finding open shooters. Dlo will get a lot of spot up opportunities. And if Dlo cuts to the basket Simmons will find him easily.

HS teammates. I had no Idea. Thanks for the tip.

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[jayu70]

Reddish is bigger than Culver and a natural SF. He started last season poorly, but really came on strong down the stretch. My interest in him would be pretty high. Plus I love OO7. And Gordon for nothing but 17 and a salary swap. Sign me up.

Reddish is a SG, not a natural SF. He may be taller than Culver, but he’s not as physical. I tracked him as a Duke recruit in the AAU circuit. Watched him a ton at Duke. He’s a very talented kid. Great shooting stroke that was inconsistent in college, but finally started to see results late in the NBA season. He’s better suited at SG. In the MN 1-3-1 system, he’s just another wing like Beasley and Juancho. But if you need him to put a body on somebody, Culver or Okogie are better options at SF - despite their weaknesses on offense.

Wow so Reddish sucks at SF. Consider me no longer interested in acquiring him.

Ha. So KG, You came to the Hawks board trying to tell us we had too many SFs and disregarded what we told you regarding Huerter being strictly a SG, Reddish being a SG that can fill in at SF, but more of a natural SG and Hunter being the only truly SF than can play PF. Do you believe it now?
Don't mind Ken, - come back anytime.

[KGdaBom]

Reddish is a SG, not a natural SF. He may be taller than Culver, but he’s not as physical. I tracked him as a Duke recruit in the AAU circuit. Watched him a ton at Duke. He’s a very talented kid. Great shooting stroke that was inconsistent in college, but finally started to see results late in the NBA season. He’s better suited at SG. In the MN 1-3-1 system, he’s just another wing like Beasley and Juancho. But if you need him to put a body on somebody, Culver or Okogie are better options at SF - despite their weaknesses on offense.

Wow so Reddish sucks at SF. Consider me no longer interested in acquiring him.

Ha. So KG, You came to the Hawks board trying to tell us we had too many SFs and disregarded what we told you regarding Huerter being strictly a SG, Reddish being a SG that can fill in at SF, but more of a natural SG and Hunter being the only truly SF than can play PF. Do you believe it now?
Don't mind Ken, - come back anytime.

I'm convinced.

[King Ken]

Courtesy of KGdaBom,

I think the PERFECT trade would be John Collins for KAT.

Why?

1. JC is the perfect fit for LaMelo Ball. Best movement big in the NBA with one of the best passers makes so much sense. No brainer.

2. KAT never won anything in MIN without Jimmy Butler. Best to let him, Reddish, Hunter, and Trae Young do their thing.

3. You save nearly 25 million off the cap and can go to land AD to play with Collins and Ball.

Honestly, if you don't like it, your a hater, haters gonna hate. Ain't that right, KGdaBom?

[mthead2121]

What y’all think of 17, Culver and Johnson for Oladipo?