2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[PlayerUp]

I would LOVE to trade down and try to nab him plus another decent potential guy instead of drafting a guy like Wiseman.

That's my preference as well. Also like Kira Lewis Jr. Would prefer to go the route of getting a couple prospects in the 1st Round versus going all in on Deni at #4. That's just my preference and maybe in the minority on this.

James Wiseman isn't very high on here so nothing to worry about. Most here seem to want to address our PG issue or add a versatile player.

4. Pokusevski

Speaking of Pokusevski, here is this years prospect that could shoot up in the lottery or become available in the early 2nd Round. Some impressive predraft workouts will quickly change his draft position.

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I think he’s going to go later in the 1st round due to a lack of work outs and the normal draft process. A lot of trans are likely to play it as safe as possible due to teams losing money.

Agreed. I would say his range is #13-#40.

[PlayerUp]

If I was the Bulls and Ball was still available at 4, I would call up the Knicks. They are desperate for him. Trade him for their 8th pick and pick swap next year and whatever else.

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

If I was the Bulls and Ball was still available at 4, I would call up the Knicks. They are desperate for him. Trade him for their 8th pick and pick swap next year and whatever else.

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

#8 + Knicks 2021 first (lightly protected) is a trade I’d love to make.

[Hold That]

If I was the Bulls and Ball was still available at 4, I would call up the Knicks. They are desperate for him. Trade him for their 8th pick and pick swap next year and whatever else.

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

In order for this to work, I think Deni or Hayes would have to crack the top 3 for Ball to fall or even Wiseman or Edwards. So Hayes or Deni likely wouldn’t be there at 8. Best case scenario is if someone falls in love with Obi or the USC big but I doubt it.

[pipfan]

I would love the Knicks trade
I said Felicio/#4 for Knox/#8/Dallas 2021 pick (it's unprotected)

Owners save $, we get the same caliber prospect at #8 (at a lower salary than #4 for 4 years), we try out Knox and get the Dallas pick. One Luka bad ankle sprain and Dallas is in the lottery-the West will be VERY tough next year

[Bullflip]

If I was the Bulls and Ball was still available at 4, I would call up the Knicks. They are desperate for him. Trade him for their 8th pick and pick swap next year and whatever else.

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.

#8
#27
#38
2021 and 2023 Mavs 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2021 1st Rd Pick
Knicks 2022 1st Rd Pick

If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

In order for this to work, I think Deni or Hayes would have to crack the top 3 for Ball to fall or even Wiseman or Edwards. So Hayes or Deni likely wouldn’t be there at 8. Best case scenario is if someone falls in love with Obi or the USC big but I doubt it.

Yea would be contingent on Ball being available at 4 . Though at 8, I am pretty sure Nesmith would be available and would really like him as he can have the potential to be Klay Thompson and can potentially get another lottery pick for next year.

[Ugly Duckling]

I'm a big fan of Kira but he has some gaps that keep him as late lottery mid first tier. His size (160lbs) is an issue for him at the college level and will be even more magnified at the pro level. It hurts him on defense, trying to defend PnR, and his issues shying away from contact at the whole are probably due to this as well. He also can sometimes be turnover prone as well as shot happy, which create issues as a primary ball handler. If we were to trade down, I'd be fine with him though, as he has a lot of De'Aaron Fox in his game.

Good to know. His frame seems ok though, it more-so looks like he's skinny and needs to build muscle, as opposed to Terry, who's just small. I also see some Harden in him, which is why I'd take him if we move Lauri for a late first. Something we should seriously consider, especially if we pick Obi at 4. Looks like there are a few prospects in the mid to late first

Yeah, he's not short or anything. About normal height for a PG, just very slight in frame, and needs to live in the weight room the first year.

As another point, Obi would be my worst case scenario for the 4th pick. I'm fine trading Lauri, but I think a lot of people who are down on Lauri are going to be highly disappointed with Toppin. Outside of his athleticism, he's just as bad if not worse in all the areas we bash Lauri for.

Sporting News has Toppin going 1. This isn't an easy to eval draft. There is some risk in picking a player like him, but no risk, no reward. He has some tenacity, which is something Lauri really lacks

[Ugly Duckling]

You would probably lose that money.

How much do you want to bet?

You think zero chance the Bulls pick Deni Avdija or Killian Hayes? That is pretty confident for a unsettled draft.

Def not 0, but low enough to bet on. Arturas said he's taking the best player available, who neither of these two would be at 4. Maybe Avdija, but he has too many weaknesses and question marks to spend a 4th pick on

[Ugly Duckling]

Oh, I think we're down to 3-6 prospects- Deni, Hali, Hayes, Toppin, LaMelo. I guess you could throw Wiseman in there too. But there's pretty widespread agreement it will be one of those, esp. those first 3.

I would bet money that we don't pick one of those first 3

Who do you see the Bulls picking?

I think Avdija, Hayes, and Haliburton are potential targets because of their playmaking abilities.

It depends on how the top 3 shake out. Arturas said he's taking the best player available, who none of these three would be at 4

[Andi Obst]

It depends on how the top 3 shake out. Arturas said he's taking the best player available, who none of these three would be at 4

...in your opinion. We all have have our own opinions, but let's not act like we know how AK feels about these guys.

[PlayerUp]

I would love the Knicks trade
I said Felicio/#4 for Knox/#8/Dallas 2021 pick (it's unprotected)

Owners save $, we get the same caliber prospect at #8 (at a lower salary than #4 for 4 years), we try out Knox and get the Dallas pick. One Luka bad ankle sprain and Dallas is in the lottery-the West will be VERY tough next year

Coby, Lavine Knox backcourt? That will be a disaster. Keep Felicio, no Knox, give us the #27 Pick or a Future 2021 or 2022 Protected Knicks 1st Rd Pick.

[TheHrvReport]

I would love the Knicks trade
I said Felicio/#4 for Knox/#8/Dallas 2021 pick (it's unprotected)

Owners save $, we get the same caliber prospect at #8 (at a lower salary than #4 for 4 years), we try out Knox and get the Dallas pick. One Luka bad ankle sprain and Dallas is in the lottery-the West will be VERY tough next year

If Hayes is off the board I do that all day. I'd probably go with Okoro/Nesmith/Hali at #8

[MrSparkle]

I think Thibs is disinterested in moving up in the draft. We know his style - he's not gonna play and develop rookies. I sooner expect them to shop the picks for established talent, though there are a lot of attractive players at #8. LaMelo and Thibs? Ha. I don't see it. Deni is not a guy they need to overpay for; they need to put shooters around RJ. And they don't need the big prospects; maybe Okongwu.

One thing to remember is the Knicks and Hornets (Kupchak) organizations are in a better place right now.

[kodo]

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.
...
If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

Hayes could, but I don't think there's any chance Deni does. He's been going up lately as concerns over Wiseman & Ball fitting into the NBA keep growing.

Some GS fans think they'll take Deni at #2.

"While the Warriors are high on both Deni Avdija and Isaac Okoro, Avdija would be the likelier pick between them if Anthony Edwards is off the board at No. 2," Goldberg wrote in a recent mailbag. ...

Avdija has seen his stock soar over the last year, having recently been named the youngest MVP in the history of the Israeli Basketball Premier League. The 19-year-old averaged 13.5 points, 6.1 rebounds and 2.6 assists across 28 regular-season games for Maccabi Tel Aviv, proving to be both a playmaking and perimeter threat.

"Avdija has a higher floor, and higher upside," Goldberg continued. "A natural playmaking forward, the 19-year-old Israel product is a strong finisher with a quick first step capable of stretching his game beyond the arc.

"The Warriors need to get better defensively, but they’re also in need of playmaking. They can’t rely on (Steph) Curry and Draymond Green while hoping for (Andrew) Wiggins, Jordan Poole and Eric Paschall to take major steps. Avdija provides an immediate infusion of playmaking and size, at 6-foot-9, 220 pounds."

Everyone assumes GS will trade Wiseman on draft day, but I'm not sure if the demand for Wiseman is as huge as everyone thinks it is, at least so much that a team is willing to give up a top tier NBA player which is what GS wants to make a run next year.

[MrSparkle]

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.
...
If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

Hayes could, but I don't think there's any chance Deni does. He's been going up lately as concerns over Wiseman & Ball fitting into the NBA keep growing.

Some GS fans think they'll take Deni at #2.

"While the Warriors are high on both Deni Avdija and Isaac Okoro, Avdija would be the likelier pick between them if Anthony Edwards is off the board at No. 2," Goldberg wrote in a recent mailbag. ...

Avdija has seen his stock soar over the last year, having recently been named the youngest MVP in the history of the Israeli Basketball Premier League. The 19-year-old averaged 13.5 points, 6.1 rebounds and 2.6 assists across 28 regular-season games for Maccabi Tel Aviv, proving to be both a playmaking and perimeter threat.

"Avdija has a higher floor, and higher upside," Goldberg continued. "A natural playmaking forward, the 19-year-old Israel product is a strong finisher with a quick first step capable of stretching his game beyond the arc.

"The Warriors need to get better defensively, but they’re also in need of playmaking. They can’t rely on (Steph) Curry and Draymond Green while hoping for (Andrew) Wiggins, Jordan Poole and Eric Paschall to take major steps. Avdija provides an immediate infusion of playmaking and size, at 6-foot-9, 220 pounds."

Everyone assumes GS will trade Wiseman on draft day, but I'm not sure if the demand for Wiseman is as huge as everyone thinks it is, at least so much that a team is willing to give up a top tier NBA player which is what GS wants to make a run next year.

I do think Deni would develop really well in GSW. Having the space and time to develop. But he also brings a lot of things that the Warriors do need.

[kodo]

I think Thibs is disinterested in moving up in the draft. We know his style - he's not gonna play and develop rookies. I sooner expect them to shop the picks for established talent, though there are a lot of attractive players at #8. LaMelo and Thibs? Ha. I don't see it. Deni is not a guy they need to overpay for; they need to put shooters around RJ. And they don't need the big prospects; maybe Okongwu.

One thing to remember is the Knicks and Hornets (Kupchak) organizations are in a better place right now.

Agreed, I'd also be surprised if NY wants badly to move up although I don't know how much Thibs' opinion matters since he's no longer FO. The accepted top tier for the draft is 3 players, and Bulls draft #4. The second tier is debatable but most would say 4-8 is within the same tier.

I also think in terms of strategy, Leon Rose as a big time player agent, will be relying on free agency not the draft. Whatever assets NY has, he may want to hold those for a big splash trade rather than moving up in a draft.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Avdija I think will go to GSW or they pull the Suns Ayton move and pick Wiseman, just because americans are better than europeans, even when they are not. LoL - Doncic drafting khm khm..
Im not high on anybody this year, I might just package the 4th pick for good veteran help.

[Chi town]

I think Thibs is disinterested in moving up in the draft. We know his style - he's not gonna play and develop rookies. I sooner expect them to shop the picks for established talent, though there are a lot of attractive players at #8. LaMelo and Thibs? Ha. I don't see it. Deni is not a guy they need to overpay for; they need to put shooters around RJ. And they don't need the big prospects; maybe Okongwu.

One thing to remember is the Knicks and Hornets (Kupchak) organizations are in a better place right now.

Truth. Watch them trade for Horford or Harris. Thibs tries to hard to make things happen.

[Chi town]

Avdija I think will go to GSW or they pull the Suns Ayton move and pick Wiseman, just because americans are better than europeans, even when they are not. LoL - Doncic drafting khm khm..
Im not high on anybody this year, I might just package the 4th pick for good veteran help.

Easy to say. Who is this vet help?

[Chi town]

Knicks have the assets to pull off a trade.
...
If Hayes or Deni drop to #8 would make sense to trade down.

Hayes could, but I don't think there's any chance Deni does. He's been going up lately as concerns over Wiseman & Ball fitting into the NBA keep growing.

Some GS fans think they'll take Deni at #2.

"While the Warriors are high on both Deni Avdija and Isaac Okoro, Avdija would be the likelier pick between them if Anthony Edwards is off the board at No. 2," Goldberg wrote in a recent mailbag. ...

Avdija has seen his stock soar over the last year, having recently been named the youngest MVP in the history of the Israeli Basketball Premier League. The 19-year-old averaged 13.5 points, 6.1 rebounds and 2.6 assists across 28 regular-season games for Maccabi Tel Aviv, proving to be both a playmaking and perimeter threat.

"Avdija has a higher floor, and higher upside," Goldberg continued. "A natural playmaking forward, the 19-year-old Israel product is a strong finisher with a quick first step capable of stretching his game beyond the arc.

"The Warriors need to get better defensively, but they’re also in need of playmaking. They can’t rely on (Steph) Curry and Draymond Green while hoping for (Andrew) Wiggins, Jordan Poole and Eric Paschall to take major steps. Avdija provides an immediate infusion of playmaking and size, at 6-foot-9, 220 pounds."

Everyone assumes GS will trade Wiseman on draft day, but I'm not sure if the demand for Wiseman is as huge as everyone thinks it is, at least so much that a team is willing to give up a top tier NBA player which is what GS wants to make a run next year.

I agree. If they keep the pick and Edwards is gone it’s Deni. If they trade it I’d think it’d be Melo.

I think MJ could take Deni too.

Deni on the Dubs would be fun to watch. Can’t say I’d be disappointed to much as I live 5min walk from Chase Center and will be watching lots of games in the future.