2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[HarthorneWingo]

I'll say it again, if I'm a Republican, and I put myself Donald's shoes. This is what he is doing right now:

1) He's telling himself and everyone that "Democratic run" cities are burning to the ground because of their poor democratic leaders.
2) He is acknowledging that their businesses and people are suffering
3) He still decides to do nothing but blame them for it and leave them hanging. There is no working relationship between these cities and Trump.

I gotta say, if he thinks there are people who need help and he doesn't want to do anything about it because they have a democratic leader, he's a real POS. That's not Presidential material.

Trump IS in power. He's in the White House. All the stuff he's saying he will do when re-elected is stuff he can do now. I see little to no progress or results. So I find it hard to believe.

I swear, it's like Biden is running as the incumbent and Trump is running to beat him. Really makes no sense to me.

If I had to venture a guess... Trump's plan to "fix" this is some sort of Martial Law and labeling BLM a terrorist group. My guess is he doesn't want to do that now because that will kill his re-election. So he's hoping to win then do it. Hopefully people understand that, and vote him out November. At the very least, hopefully dems win the senate where they can impeach him if he tries such a thing.

With this post, your now daily doomsaying and your election predictions it feels less like you're calling it like you see it and more like you're campaigning for Trump now. The spirit of your posts have turned into pure gloom about the inevitability of Trump's re-election.

You are not providing analysis if you are tailoring your interpretation of data to fit your paranoid biases. Enough with the fear mongering.

Yes, I'm campaigning for Trump.

Hey guys, "let's elect Trump so we can see martial law"

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It's all Bernie's fault. It's here already.

Biden and the DNC are fcking this up. Again.

[Stannis]

When I keep playing around with the maps, I think it might come down to Wisconsin.

I think Minnesota is Trump country in 2020 tbh.

[Stannis]

With this post, your now daily doomsaying and your election predictions it feels less like you're calling it like you see it and more like you're campaigning for Trump now. The spirit of your posts have turned into pure gloom about the inevitability of Trump's re-election.

You are not providing analysis if you are tailoring your interpretation of data to fit your paranoid biases. Enough with the fear mongering.

Yes, I'm campaigning for Trump.

Hey guys, "let's elect Trump so we can see martial law"

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It's all Bernie's fault. It's here already.

Biden and the DNC are fcking this up. Again.

Minnesota might be a big loss, so I think Ilhan Omar will get the blame for that one

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[Oscirus]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

[GONYK]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

We don't know "nothing". How much you want to pay attention to it is a personal decision however.

Presenting information that runs exactly counter to the available current data as fact is wrong though.

[Pointgod]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

I have a strong inclination Trump will skip the debates and look to weasel out of them. Does this sound like someone confident about speaking to his record?

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[GONYK]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

I have a strong inclination Trump will skip the debates and look to weasel out of them. Does this sound like someone confident about speaking to his record?

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Trump is just doing here what he's doing to the election as a whole: He's trying to muddy the waters and set the narrative so if he loses, the loss will come under question from his supporters.

[Oscirus]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

I have a strong inclination Trump will skip the debates and look to weasel out of them. Does this sound like someone confident about speaking to his record?

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Trump wanted a 4th debate. He's trying to be clever but he might wind up playing himself in the same way he did at the dnc when he lowered expectations for Biden

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[Clyde_Style]

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Mueller messed up.

It's a combination. He was not as good as I thought he would be and he was suppressed and then ultimately shut down. But he was definitely a disappointment. The Senate Intelligence Committee probed more deeply and their recent reports confirmed beyond any doubt extensive illegal cooperation with the Russians. And that committee has a Republican chair which goes to show how bad it really is with Trump, both in term of guilt and how soft his support is on the Hill.

[Clyde_Style]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

I have a strong inclination Trump will skip the debates and look to weasel out of them. Does this sound like someone confident about speaking to his record?

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Of course. I predicted this multiple times already.

Look at what happened when Biden delivered a flawless convention speech. The GOP shook, Trump yammered and Rush Limbaugh said Biden's speech was doctored by editing snippets of video together to make a single take of Biden speaking.

That's what happens when their boasts get met by reality. Bullies crumble.

Trump thought he could scare Biden into not debating and then gloat he was chicken. The Dems knew exactly what he was up to which is why Pelosi called their bluff and lobbed the softball pitch for Biden to say no ma'am I'm showing up and I'm going to take scalps.

Trump is afraid of the debates. He always is the opposite of what he says he is, but we knew that already.

All Biden has to say is I'll take a drug test after you release your taxes. Checkmate

[Clyde_Style]

I believe this year is different in that people arent taking polls for granted this time around. As of right now, we know nothing. I think the debates is the time to start paying attention to the polls. For now, they're just a conversation piece.

I have a strong inclination Trump will skip the debates and look to weasel out of them. Does this sound like someone confident about speaking to his record?

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Trump is just doing here what he's doing to the election as a whole: He's trying to muddy the waters and set the narrative so if he loses, the loss will come under question from his supporters.

Yes, that's the other reason, though the primary one is he's looking for a way to sabotage them from ever happening and have an alibi. This won't do it though, thus he'll use it afterwards to say Biden is on smart drugs or some BS. Biden probably does take monadafil. It's legal and it makes you sharp so I hope he does take legal drugs if it helps him.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Mueller messed up.

It's a combination. He was not as good as I thought he would be and he was suppressed and then ultimately shut down. But he was definitely a disappointment. The Senate Intelligence Committee probed more deeply and their recent reports confirmed beyond any doubt extensive illegal cooperation with the Russians. And that committee has a Republican chair which goes to show how bad it really is with Trump, both in term of guilt and how soft his support is on the Hill.

He should’ve subpoenaed Trump to testify. How do you devote all those resources to investigating these allegations and not get Trump’s sworn testimony if nothing else but to show that we could force him to do so. Plus, he’s lie his ass off bc he knows he’s guilty.

[Clyde_Style]

When I keep playing around with the maps, I think it might come down to Wisconsin.

I think Minnesota is Trump country in 2020 tbh.

If you want to play with maps that's your prerogative. But you've been posting assertions that Trump will probably take this state and that state and Biden will win this one and lose that one and the totals will be this number.

Playing with maps does not warrant posting the kinds of predictions you've been making. Adding up a dozen separate things happening the way you think they MIGHT occur does not add up to a predictable sum total and a credible prediction.

[Clyde_Style]

Mueller messed up.

It's a combination. He was not as good as I thought he would be and he was suppressed and then ultimately shut down. But he was definitely a disappointment. The Senate Intelligence Committee probed more deeply and their recent reports confirmed beyond any doubt extensive illegal cooperation with the Russians. And that committee has a Republican chair which goes to show how bad it really is with Trump, both in term of guilt and how soft his support is on the Hill.

He should’ve subpoenaed Trump to testify. How do you devote all those resources to investigating these allegations and not get Trump’s sworn testimony if nothing else but to show that we could force him to do so. Plus, he’s lie his ass off bc he knows he’s guilty.

He had resources. He didn't use them. I loathe James Comey. Mueller is not far behind now. I feel betrayed by Mueller's lack of courage and failure to perform his duties. He had the authority to push back and he caved. Comey tried to make amends, but he is still singularly responsible for getting Trump elected so I can't forgive him. Mueller turned out to have the soul of a bureaucrat more than that of a justice warrior.

But Rosenstein may be one of the biggest villains in the whole saga. Guy was definitely a snake. Here's a description of what he did to Mueller:

"As it turns out, just days after Rosenstein appointed Mueller, Rosenstein secretly blocked Mueller from investigating Donald Trump’s financial ties to Russia – and he did it in such a way that the FBI was tricked into believing Mueller was investigating it. Accordingly, the FBI didn’t pursue its own investigation into Trump-Russia financial ties."

[GONYK]

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[Knick4Real]

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That's all well and good, but he needs to go to Kenosha. Don't cede the Wisconsin issue to Trump.

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That's all well and good, but he needs to go to Kenosha. Don't cede the Wisconsin issue to Trump.

I think he's allowing Trump the opportunity to go there, say his usual racist things, and make things worse.

If Biden doesn't go after Trump, then I agree that's poor strategy.

[BallSacBounce]

Moved this post to this thread from the Democrat Primary one.

Is this the beginning of a civil war? Scary **** man.

First Rittenhouse was stupidly chased and hunted down before defending himself with his rifle and now this.

WATCH: Man Shot and Killed in Portland Amid Riots, Civil Unrest

https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/29/watch-man-shot-and-killed-in-portland-amid-riots-civil-unrest/

According to the Oregonian, “The person lay in the street as police medics tended to their wounds. Next to the body was camouflage gear with infidel and thin blue line patches, which commonly indicate support for law enforcement. Police taped off the area.”

As the Associated Press reports:

The caravan of Trump supporters had gathered earlier in the day at a nearby mall and drove as a group to the heart of Portland. As they arrived in the city, protesters attempted to stop them by standing in the street and blocking bridges.

Videos from the scene showed sporadic fighting, as well as Trump supporters firing paintball pellets at opponents and using bear spray as counter-protesters threw things at the Trump caravan.

‘There have been some instances of violence between demonstrators and counterdemonstrators,’ Portland Police said via Twitter. ‘Officers have intervened and in some cases made arrests.’

It's getting hot, really hot.

The current occupant in the Whitehouse will never denounce violence from the right wing and his supporters, in fact he encourages it. This is what America is under Trump.

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After 90 days of left wing violence, riots and looting you think the President owes us a condemnation of right wing violence? Lmao. I'll just let you stew in your own juices for awhile till you figure it out, you're losing the election.

He's going to Kenosha on Tuesday and he'll be condemning violence period by either side. Something the left has refused to do even after Senator Rand Paul and his wife were accosted outside of the RNC. I mean, good luck. Sure, right wing violence is the problem. Okey doke.