2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

Kobblehead · Post #821 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:52 am

R.J. Hampton is more like Zach Lavine with defense or Shai Alexander with athleticism.

Kira Lewis has far more in common with Brandon Knight than he does John Wall or De'Aaron Fox.

stormi · Post #822 » by **stormi** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:18 am

Kobblehead wrote:R.J. Hampton is more like Zach Lavine with defense or Shai Alexander with athleticism.

Kira Lewis has far more in common with Brandon Knight than he does John Wall or De'Aaron Fox.

Brandon Knight before his knees exploded multiple times >>>>>>

It's so disrespectful to compare RJ to Shai... Lavine was also leagues ahead athletically and as a shooter coming out of UCLA. He's closer to Leandro Barbosa or Dante Exum than them.

But let me watch some more film see if i can spot what you see. On Tre Jones too.

Kobblehead · Post #823 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:38 pm

A healthy Brandon Knight would have added value to a playoff team as a bench scorer and nothing more IMO. He wasn't talented enough to reach offensive star status and he was a bad defender. That's kind of how I view Kira Lewis. Bench scorer on a playoff team that gets roasted defensively.

I think Hampton has been disrespected by the entire draft community. I have him #2 behind Killian Hayes in the entire draft. He has two star qualities that cannot be acquired through practice (the ability to guard his position and the ability to score off the dribble). Shooting isn't important or reliable, to me. Anyone can learn how to shoot with a good enough base and plenty of repetition. Given that he shot just under 74% from the free throw line, I think that qualifies as a good enough base. I don't know why anyone is even concerned with his shooting ability.

Magic beans · Post #824 » by **Magic beans** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The only guys I would trade up for in this draft are Hayes, Hampton, Haliburton or Vassell. And I'm far more likely to compromise that notion to move up a few slots to secure a guy like Josh Green (who I feel confident can start for a contender).

There's a strong selection of guys that can score off the dribble and defend that could be available from 20-40 so I don't see value in putting all my eggs in the Kira Lewis basket, who I only project to be able to score off the dribble.

Not high on Hayes, but think Hampton, Haliburton and Vassell are potentially great two way players. Vassell looks to have elite defensive potential.

Probably a question for another thread, but what do you see Thybulle offensive ceiling as? How does he compare to say Vassell or Josh Green? I hope that Thybulle gets the opportunity to develop his offensive game as Marcus Smart has over time.

Kobblehead · Post #825 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:31 pm

I don't think much of Thybulle's offensive ceiling, unfortunately. His jumper appears to be wildly erratic (and that was distinguishable through his career at Washington) and he appears to lack the ability to find ways to produce points when he's on the court. He just floats on the offensive end of the court. Wouldn't surprise me if he maxed out as a 6-8 ppg player.

Josh Green won't score off the dribble, either, but he appears to be a little more active offensively when he's on the court. Jumper seems a little more consistent and he'll find ways to cut to the basket or find open pockets in the defense where he can hit catch and shoot jumpers. A lot less floating than Thybulle.

Vassell has the highest upside of the three, in my eyes. Nobody will confuse him for an outright shotcreator, but he's kinda frisky in that mid-range area. He'll score a bit off the dribble there and buff his scoring output. Which, in conjunction with his potentially elite perimeter defense, will make him a feared two-way player with fringe star upside.

Magic beans · Post #826 » by **Magic beans** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:10 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think much of Thybulle's offensive ceiling, unfortunately. His jumper appears to be wildly erratic (and that was distinguishable through his career at Washington) and he appears to lack the ability to find ways to produce points when he's on the court. He just floats on the offensive end of the court. Wouldn't surprise me if he maxed out as a 6-8 ppg player.

Josh Green won't score off the dribble, either, but he appears to be a little more active offensively when he's on the court. Jumper seems a little more consistent and he'll find ways to cut to the basket or find open pockets in the defense where he can hit catch and shoot jumpers. A lot less floating than Thybulle.

Vassell has the highest upside of the three, in my eyes. Nobody will confuse him for an outright shotcreator, but he's kinda frisky in that mid-range area. He'll score a bit off the dribble there and buff his scoring output. Which, in conjunction with his potentially elite perimeter defense, will make him a feared two-way player with fringe star upside.

The more tape I see on Vassell the more I like his potential. Defensive wing with a developing jumper. Prototypical 3 & D type.

I see your point about shot creation off the dribble, but I’m inclined to think we need greater shooting in addition. Examples from draft being Nesmith, Terry, Payton etc. Come to think of it all areas of our roster need some additions!

stormi · Post #827 » by **stormi** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:12 pm

Feel like the Sixers will opt for an older college player like Grant Riller if we're on the clock at 21

Magic beans · Post #828 » by **Magic beans** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:25 pm

stormi wrote:Feel like the Sixers will opt for an older college player like Grant Riller if we're on the clock at 21

Young or older head does really not concern me, the opportunity to acquire a decent level of talented potential is key. I just hope we end up with something decent!!

What makes you think older players would be the way to go?

stormi · Post #829 » by **stormi** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:16 pm

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

Spoiler:

also, so many Danny Green comps lol

Kobblehead · Post #830 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:17 pm

Give me Skylar Mays over Grant Riller when it comes to a four year player to help solve our shotcreation woes. Mays' defense is a lock to translate, in my eyes. I think he's going to be dominant at the point of attack. Riller will likely be passable, at best, defensively and sometimes trend towards being bad.

Also, there's this little gem:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2018-11-22-19-louisiana-state.html

Riller: 34 minutes, 4 points, 20% from the field.

Granted, Tremont Waters and Skylar Mays are phenomenal defenders, but if he no-shows against a weak power conference team, I'm wondering just how much his level of competition played into how he looked.

stormi · Post #831 » by **stormi** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:05 pm

Why doesn't Skylar Mays get any draft hype. His film is incredible

KJStark23 · Post #832 » by **KJStark23** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:09 pm

Watch on YouTube

Monix · Post #833 » by **Monix** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 6:02 pm

stormi wrote:Why doesn't Skylar Mays get any draft hype. His film is incredible

are you watching it at 1.5 speed?

he had a really solid senior season, but I'm not sure the athleticism is enough

stormi · Post #834 » by **stormi** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 6:07 pm

Monix wrote:
stormi wrote:Why doesn't Skylar Mays get any draft hype. His film is incredible

are you watching it at 1.5 speed?

he had a really solid senior season, but I'm not sure the athleticism is enough

Sam Merrill thoughts?

Monix · Post #835 » by **Monix** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 8:22 pm

I'd make him prove himself in the G-League on a 2-way

I have Mays>Merrill

Mays a least looks to have some "dog" in him

Kobblehead · Post #836 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 11:10 pm

Mays will end up on the Raptors and everyone will wonder how they keep finding steals.

Like no, this guy is obviously a stud. Draft him!

stormi · Post #837 » by **stormi** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:03 am

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/ilxboo/the_athletic_2020_nba_mock_draft_71_a_mini_update/

Hampton + Terry is mouthwatering

stormi · Post #838 » by **stormi** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:15 am

I actually would love a draft like that just all out selling for guards. And then acquire CP3 to lead them.

skulky · Post #839 » by **skulky** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:49 am

stormi wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/ilxboo/the_athletic_2020_nba_mock_draft_71_a_mini_update/

Hampton + Terry is mouthwatering

I think it is pretty absurd to think terry will fall to 34. There’s just no way with how vital shooting is in the modern nba, I’d honestly be surprised if he’s there at 21.

skulky · Post #840 » by **skulky** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 12:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The only guys I would trade up for in this draft are Hayes, Hampton, Haliburton or Vassell. And I'm far more likely to compromise that notion to move up a few slots to secure a guy like Josh Green (who I feel confident can start for a contender).

There's a strong selection of guys that can score off the dribble and defend that could be available from 20-40 so I don't see value in putting all my eggs in the Kira Lewis basket, who I only project to be able to score off the dribble.

My list of guys is pretty similar. I really like Devin Vassell, but question what we would need to move to acquire him.
Hampton is hard to say without being behind the scenes and knowing his intelligence and work ethic. He’s certainly athletic, but has displayed little else. That’s not my favorite archetype of prospect.

I do like Tyrese Maxey, and there’s certainly a precedent of Kentucky guards out performing their draft slot. He’s strong, has Jj Redick style off ball movement/motion a decent shooter, hustles, has high iq on both ends, and has a knack for winning plays. I don’t think he’ll be there at 21, so a small move up to 17ish.