2020 NBA Draft Thread

[SLCceltic]

this I feel is how G.M.s end up passing on guys with higher upside with potential to be starters and even stars for high floor ham n eggers. Giannis was too skinny, no way do you want to wait 3-4 years for him to bulk up. Take the polished Olynyk!. Jokic is too fat and has poor conditioning. No point waiting for him to get into shape when he won't see the floor for 4 years? Just take that kid from Kentucky Bill Simmons loves who has played in big games, James Young. Michael Porter Jr. has injury concerns. Why take that unnecessary risk? Time after time Danny does exactly as you suggest and passes on the higher upside player.

Kawhi didn't shoot well in college, shooting 29% from three. But he worked hard on his shot the summer before his rookie season and has shot 38% pretty steadily every year since. You can't teach speed, athleticism, body control, court vision, and passing instincts. RJ has all of this. At worst he's a PG with great size for our 2nd unit as Wannamaker's replacement. If he develops or not we need someone with size and length and I find it hard to believe he wouldn't work hard with the young leaders we have on this team like Jaylen and Tatum.

You are right about drafting BPA, I am merely suggesting some free-er swings towards BPA/need because we have 2 extra picks ! and for the record DA always drafts BPA (at least in his mind haha)

Patrick Williams is my top hope at #14, hard to believe that he is still around this late ! but it is possible !!!

After PW Vernon Carey Jr, Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry and even Aaron Nesmith are all better prospects than Hampton imo .......and will all contribute and move the needle for us MUCH much sooner than Hampton ! Carey's size scoring and passing would fit our system alongside Jays and Kemba very very well !! but may not have the highest upside of all rwmaining prospects ...

Hampton is a much smaller Ben Simmons, but with a fixable/serviceable jumpshot and FT% ....I would be very happy drafting him at 26 !

If Ainge picks Vernon Carey in the 1st round that'd be a huge mistake, and I'm confident he won't since they don't draft 1990s style bigs who aren't a rim protector, can't play pick and roll defense, and can't switch onto anyone else.

You are trying to fit Carey into todays game but Carey has the size and skill to force todays game to go through him. He can score from all over the paint and post and midrange ! he has limited experience out beyond 3, but excels everywhere else ...

foot speed, so ya defending pick n roll will take some development .... but I see VC adding another dimension to our offense while allowing for even more spacing as we will have more 4wide than 5wide ...

What VC may lack early on defensively, he will more than make up on Offense. The guy can score from Day 1 and has the size and passing ability for us to destroy defenses !!

[themoneyteam2]

You are right about drafting BPA, I am merely suggesting some free-er swings towards BPA/need because we have 2 extra picks ! and for the record DA always drafts BPA (at least in his mind haha)

Patrick Williams is my top hope at #14, hard to believe that he is still around this late ! but it is possible !!!

After PW Vernon Carey Jr, Cole Anthony, Tyrell Terry and even Aaron Nesmith are all better prospects than Hampton imo .......and will all contribute and move the needle for us MUCH much sooner than Hampton ! Carey's size scoring and passing would fit our system alongside Jays and Kemba very very well !! but may not have the highest upside of all rwmaining prospects ...

Hampton is a much smaller Ben Simmons, but with a fixable/serviceable jumpshot and FT% ....I would be very happy drafting him at 26 !

If Ainge picks Vernon Carey in the 1st round that'd be a huge mistake, and I'm confident he won't since they don't draft 1990s style bigs who aren't a rim protector, can't play pick and roll defense, and can't switch onto anyone else.

You are trying to fit Carey into todays game but Carey has the size and skill to force todays game to go through him. He can score from all over the paint and post and midrange ! he has limited experience out beyond 3, but excels everywhere else ...

foot speed, so ya defending pick n roll will take some development .... but I see VC adding another dimension to our offense while allowing for even more spacing as we will have more 4wide than 5wide ...

What VC may lack early on defensively, he will more than make up on Offense. The guy can score from Day 1 and has the size and passing ability for us to destroy defenses !!

Yeah I see what you're saying but he's a worse version of Enes Kanter. Not a great offensive rebounder and doesn't even have the array of post moves that Kanter does. He made his living at the foul line at Duke and struggled when playing bigs who were his size. Eerily reminiscent of Jahlil Okafor coming out but worse offensively. I'd be shocked if he gets picked in the first 25 picks and would be mildly surprised if he even gets picked in the 1st round.

I just don't see much upside with him. Yes he can score in the post and his shooting mechanics look promising, although he still struggles at the line as a 67% FT shooter. You're hoping he can be Enes Kanter at the next level which is an offensive minded big coming off the bench for 25 MPG at most.

And no, Carey will not force today's game to go through him lol. Not even Embiid can do that.

If they want a guy to take Kanter's role in the future then Carey is your guy. I could talk myself into him at 30 but anything before that and it'd be a reach imo.

[SLCceltic]

If Ainge picks Vernon Carey in the 1st round that'd be a huge mistake, and I'm confident he won't since they don't draft 1990s style bigs who aren't a rim protector, can't play pick and roll defense, and can't switch onto anyone else.

You are trying to fit Carey into todays game but Carey has the size and skill to force todays game to go through him. He can score from all over the paint and post and midrange ! he has limited experience out beyond 3, but excels everywhere else ...

foot speed, so ya defending pick n roll will take some development .... but I see VC adding another dimension to our offense while allowing for even more spacing as we will have more 4wide than 5wide ...

What VC may lack early on defensively, he will more than make up on Offense. The guy can score from Day 1 and has the size and passing ability for us to destroy defenses !!

Yeah I see what you're saying but he's a worse version of Enes Kanter. Not a great offensive rebounder and doesn't even have the array of post moves that Kanter does. He made his living at the foul line at Duke and struggled when playing bigs who were his size. Eerily reminiscent of Jahlil Okafor coming out but worse offensively. I'd be shocked if he gets picked in the first 25 picks and would be mildly surprised if he even gets picked in the 1st round.

I just don't see much upside with him. Yes he can score in the post and his shooting mechanics look promising, although he still struggles at the line as a 67% FT shooter. You're hoping he can be Enes Kanter at the next level which is an offensive minded big coming off the bench for 25 MPG at most.

And no, Carey will not force today's game to go through him lol. Not even Embiid can do that.

If they want a guy to take Kanter's role in the future then Carey is your guy. I could talk myself into him at 30 but anything before that and it'd be a reach imo.

He is way more Boozer than Okafor ....Okafor is a block scorer, so is Kanter and neither have the midrange shooting game of Carey

the game will not go through Carey alone ha our entire system with Carey (bc of his passing) will be a huge problem for defenses
AND Carey would be our 5th option on Offense to start his career .....seems like a nice fit to me. He already plays better D than Kanter and Okafor; I see a bigger Carlos Boozer

[Spin Move]

This draft is our last chance to get an all star level player for a while. We need to be agressive in getting a player who goes with Tatum and Brown and can at the least be a good starter. We really need frontcourt help. We do not have enough roster spots to take all of our picks which leaves trading up, draft and stash or trading out with some of the picks. To me our biggest need is is the frontcourt, we need a shotblocker who can shoot. Whether that is Wiseman, Obi or Okongwu I don't know but we need someone who can be be on the floor at the same time as Tatum Brown and Kemba and provide some rim protection will not messing with spacing. Wiseman is a good free throw shooter who should be able to add 3 point range. Obi Tapanen is not as much a rim protector but projects as a Shawn Marion type due it all forward who can help some at all 3 levels. Okongwu alos shoots above 70% from the free throw line so he has the potential to extend his range in time.

If GH leaves we still have Tatum Brown Smart and Langford at the 2/3 yes we could use another shooter off the bench but if Kanter opts out and Thies gets injured we get VERY thin up front, we have R. Williams who I have not given up on yet but is injury prone and Grant Williams who is way undersized and while he can fill the Ryan Gomes role its really not what this team need (Memphis screwed us by jumping ahead in the draft and grabbing Clarke right before we picked him)

There are some good PG's but Kemba is under contract for 3 more years and Smart can play PG if he goes down. Unless Danny thinks one of the PGS can be an all star when Kemba is old I say trade up and go big. Wiseman has the physical tools to be special, a Deandre Ayton type, which if with our pieces could push us over the top, if Okongwu can be the next Serge Ibaka he could be a great fit as well, I would take either one, however we are going to need to trade up to get a good big. There are a few other intersting cannidate like the kid from Minnesota but not anyone with all Star potential except those 3.

[themoneyteam2]

You are trying to fit Carey into todays game but Carey has the size and skill to force todays game to go through him. He can score from all over the paint and post and midrange ! he has limited experience out beyond 3, but excels everywhere else ...

foot speed, so ya defending pick n roll will take some development .... but I see VC adding another dimension to our offense while allowing for even more spacing as we will have more 4wide than 5wide ...

What VC may lack early on defensively, he will more than make up on Offense. The guy can score from Day 1 and has the size and passing ability for us to destroy defenses !!

Yeah I see what you're saying but he's a worse version of Enes Kanter. Not a great offensive rebounder and doesn't even have the array of post moves that Kanter does. He made his living at the foul line at Duke and struggled when playing bigs who were his size. Eerily reminiscent of Jahlil Okafor coming out but worse offensively. I'd be shocked if he gets picked in the first 25 picks and would be mildly surprised if he even gets picked in the 1st round.

I just don't see much upside with him. Yes he can score in the post and his shooting mechanics look promising, although he still struggles at the line as a 67% FT shooter. You're hoping he can be Enes Kanter at the next level which is an offensive minded big coming off the bench for 25 MPG at most.

And no, Carey will not force today's game to go through him lol. Not even Embiid can do that.

If they want a guy to take Kanter's role in the future then Carey is your guy. I could talk myself into him at 30 but anything before that and it'd be a reach imo.

He is way more Boozer than Okafor ....Okafor is a block scorer, so is Kanter and neither have the midrange shooting game of Carey

the game will not go through Carey alone ha our entire system with Carey (bc of his passing) will be a huge problem for defenses
AND Carey would be our 5th option on Offense to start his career .....seems like a nice fit to me. He already plays better D than Kanter and Okafor; I see a bigger Carlos Boozer

Right the hope is his midrange will develop but reality is he shot 22% on midrange jumpers this past year at Duke so right now he’s just a low post scorer.

Maybe he will be better than Kanter but right now he does absolutely nothing better than Kanter. And I guess we’ll agree to disagree on the defense lol

[SLCceltic]

Yeah I see what you're saying but he's a worse version of Enes Kanter. Not a great offensive rebounder and doesn't even have the array of post moves that Kanter does. He made his living at the foul line at Duke and struggled when playing bigs who were his size. Eerily reminiscent of Jahlil Okafor coming out but worse offensively. I'd be shocked if he gets picked in the first 25 picks and would be mildly surprised if he even gets picked in the 1st round.

I just don't see much upside with him. Yes he can score in the post and his shooting mechanics look promising, although he still struggles at the line as a 67% FT shooter. You're hoping he can be Enes Kanter at the next level which is an offensive minded big coming off the bench for 25 MPG at most.

And no, Carey will not force today's game to go through him lol. Not even Embiid can do that.

If they want a guy to take Kanter's role in the future then Carey is your guy. I could talk myself into him at 30 but anything before that and it'd be a reach imo.

He is way more Boozer than Okafor ....Okafor is a block scorer, so is Kanter and neither have the midrange shooting game of Carey

the game will not go through Carey alone ha our entire system with Carey (bc of his passing) will be a huge problem for defenses
AND Carey would be our 5th option on Offense to start his career .....seems like a nice fit to me. He already plays better D than Kanter and Okafor; I see a bigger Carlos Boozer

Right the hope is his midrange will develop but reality is he shot 22% on midrange jumpers this past year at Duke so right now he’s just a low post scorer.

Maybe he will be better than Kanter but right now he does absolutely nothing better than Kanter. And I guess we’ll agree to disagree on the defense lol

Carey also finished in the top five in the ACC in points per game, total points, blocks per game, total rebounds, two-point field goals, offensive rating, defensive rating, and true shooting percentage. He was Duke’s leader in points, rebounds, blocks, free throws made, and field goal percentage.

[Bleeding Green]

Yeah so he'll probably be overdrafted.

[Squigglepuffin]

This draft is our last chance to get an all star level player for a while. We need to be agressive in getting a player who goes with Tatum and Brown and can at the least be a good starter. We really need frontcourt help. We do not have enough roster spots to take all of our picks which leaves trading up, draft and stash or trading out with some of the picks. To me our biggest need is is the frontcourt, we need a shotblocker who can shoot. Whether that is Wiseman, Obi or Okongwu

This draft is the worst draft in at least 10 years.

Obi Toppin is Derrick Williams 2.0. At best he will be mediocre in the NBA. I will laugh if he gets chosen in the top 5 or 10 since it's a waste of a high pick.

Wiseman is vastly overrated and at best imo will be an Andre Drummond with a slightly better shot (still not a good thing in today's game).

Okongwu I would not be opposed to but only if he can develop a jump shot. If he's Hassan Whiteside (no jumpshot) his game won't age well in the modern NBA.

Jalen Smith is worth a look if a big is needed. His skinny legs are actually very concerning to me though bc I think he's tried to put muscle on them and can't, which could indicate some type of underlying, undiagnosed biological/genetic issue. If he had normal legs though I'd take him in the top 10.

I also think Isaiah Stewart is worth a look if a big is needed. He can develop a shot. Pretty good from the FT line.

This is the wrong draft to hoping for future all stars in. Not saying it won't happen, but in time I think this draft will be seen as a really, REALLY weak draft class.

[Floody100]

If Carey’s still there at 47 you’d think about it but there’s absolutely no chance you’d even think about taking him with one of our first round picks.

[Captain_Caveman]

Celts like the idea of trading up for Okongwu, Okoro, or Vassell?

[BillTheGOAT]

Which website had Killian Hayes sliding to the Celtics at 14?

[Homerclease]

Celts like the idea of trading up for Okongwu, Okoro, or Vassell?

Vassell would be my number two target behind Wiseman if he slips. He may never be a superstar but I think he’s a borderline all star for years to come

[threrf23]

Celts like the idea of trading up for Okongwu, Okoro, or Vassell?

idk but I like the idea of trading up for Okongwu or Vassell.

I would need to be sold on Okoro. Sounds fairly raw, and for a physical/athletic specimen like him, his rebounding numbers were poor which is often a red flag (though possibly moot here as Auburn rebounded really well as a team).

[djFan71]

Celts like the idea of trading up for Okongwu, Okoro, or Vassell?

If Okongwu, is still there:

14, 30, Grant, Poirier to ATL for 6, future 2nd.

I like Vassel, Okoro too, but not sure I do that deal for them.

[31to6]

Okongwu is my draft binky so yes trade the draft pick farm for him.

[playa-hater]

damn I love this thread and so many great reads.. Just too much to catch up on...

*But for me, I believe the single most important Position in Today's NBA is a solid wing player.. a 2-3 or even a 3-4.. A wing player is suited to be athletic enough to switch on a smaller faster guard, while being tall/long enough to recover on Bigs.. EVERYTHING todays is based on taking advantage of matchups created by PNRs..

So based on that theory, I want Boston to draft any of these players at 14.. not necessary in order.

Pat Williams (3-4) a strongly built switch everything player who can probably guard 2-5 on switches.

Devin Vassell (2-3) the perfect 3-D prospect.. Someone who doesn't need the ball a lot ut make other pay for trapping tatum/Brown/Kemba

Nesmith (2-3) best shooter and good defender.. Probably the biggest make up payer of this class.

- - - - - - - -- - - - slighty less

Saddiq Bey. (3-4) maybe the most ready to step in player who can also shoot and defend..

I imagine anyone of these players playing along side Tatum/Brown at the same time if Hayward is gone or coming in for any of those 3 if GH stays another year..

Boston would still have great switch-ability defense with the perfect compliment of GO-TO scorers and role players..

[snowman]

damn I love this thread and so many great reads.. Just too much to catch up on...

*But for me, I believe the single most important Position in Today's NBA is a solid wing player.. a 2-3 or even a 3-4.. A wing player is suited to be athletic enough to switch on a smaller faster guard, while being tall/long enough to recover on Bigs.. EVERYTHING todays is based on taking advantage of matchups created by PNRs..

So based on that theory, I want Boston to draft any of these players at 14.. not necessary in order.

Pat Williams (3-4) a strongly built switch everything player who can probably guard 2-5 on switches.

Devin Vassell (2-3) the perfect 3-D prospect.. Someone who doesn't need the ball a lot ut make other pay for trapping tatum/Brown/Kemba

Nesmith (2-3) best shooter and good defender.. Probably the biggest make up payer of this class.

- - - - - - - -- - - - slighty less

Saddiq Bey. (3-4) maybe the most ready to step in player who can also shoot and defend..

I imagine anyone of these players playing along side Tatum/Brown at the same time if Hayward is gone or coming in for any of those 3 if GH stays another year..

Boston would still have great switch-ability defense with the perfect compliment of GO-TO scorers and role players..

+1 here bud. I have been pushing for the very same players at pick 14 (except Williams) but my order would be Nesmith, Bey then Vassell. But put anyone of these three guys with Smart, Langford, Timelord and/or Kanter off the bench, and that's a really tough deep bench, that gives Brad a lot of options. And you still have 26 and 30 to use on another back up point and big to replace Green, Poirier an one of Semi or Grant. ( I think we only need one of Semi and Grant)

[keevsnick1]

damn I love this thread and so many great reads.. Just too much to catch up on...

*But for me, I believe the single most important Position in Today's NBA is a solid wing player.. a 2-3 or even a 3-4.. A wing player is suited to be athletic enough to switch on a smaller faster guard, while being tall/long enough to recover on Bigs.. EVERYTHING todays is based on taking advantage of matchups created by PNRs..

So based on that theory, I want Boston to draft any of these players at 14.. not necessary in order.

Pat Williams (3-4) a strongly built switch everything player who can probably guard 2-5 on switches.

Devin Vassell (2-3) the perfect 3-D prospect.. Someone who doesn't need the ball a lot ut make other pay for trapping tatum/Brown/Kemba

Nesmith (2-3) best shooter and good defender.. Probably the biggest make up payer of this class.

- - - - - - - -- - - - slighty less

Saddiq Bey. (3-4) maybe the most ready to step in player who can also shoot and defend..

I imagine anyone of these players playing along side Tatum/Brown at the same time if Hayward is gone or coming in for any of those 3 if GH stays another year..

Boston would still have great switch-ability defense with the perfect compliment of GO-TO scorers and role players..

+1 here bud. I have been pushing for the very same players at pick 14 (except Williams) but my order would be Nesmith, Bey then Vassell. But put anyone of these three guys with Smart, Langford, Timelord and/or Kanter off the bench, and that's a really tough deep bench, that gives Brad a lot of options. And you still have 26 and 30 to use on another back up point and big to replace Green, Poirier an one of Semi or Grant. ( I think we only need one of Semi and Grant)

Add in a third who's all for this, wings are hottest commodity in the NBA, so hard to get. With the C's capped out for the foreseeable future its gonna be really yard to add NBA quality wings with only the midlevel to work with, and with hayward's future uncertain and Semi being kind of "meh" at best we could use another 6'6-6'8 guy. Sadiq Bey i think would be ideal, i'd love vassell but I think he requires a move up. Williams has good size, Nesmith shooting, but really any of the 4. Add one of those guys in with Langford, Brown, Tatum, and I think you have a good long term wing core.

[djFan71]

damn I love this thread and so many great reads.. Just too much to catch up on...

*But for me, I believe the single most important Position in Today's NBA is a solid wing player.. a 2-3 or even a 3-4.. A wing player is suited to be athletic enough to switch on a smaller faster guard, while being tall/long enough to recover on Bigs.. EVERYTHING todays is based on taking advantage of matchups created by PNRs..

So based on that theory, I want Boston to draft any of these players at 14.. not necessary in order.

Pat Williams (3-4) a strongly built switch everything player who can probably guard 2-5 on switches.

Devin Vassell (2-3) the perfect 3-D prospect.. Someone who doesn't need the ball a lot ut make other pay for trapping tatum/Brown/Kemba

Nesmith (2-3) best shooter and good defender.. Probably the biggest make up payer of this class.

- - - - - - - -- - - - slighty less

Saddiq Bey. (3-4) maybe the most ready to step in player who can also shoot and defend..

I imagine anyone of these players playing along side Tatum/Brown at the same time if Hayward is gone or coming in for any of those 3 if GH stays another year..

Boston would still have great switch-ability defense with the perfect compliment of GO-TO scorers and role players..

+1 here bud. I have been pushing for the very same players at pick 14 (except Williams) but my order would be Nesmith, Bey then Vassell. But put anyone of these three guys with Smart, Langford, Timelord and/or Kanter off the bench, and that's a really tough deep bench, that gives Brad a lot of options. And you still have 26 and 30 to use on another back up point and big to replace Green, Poirier an one of Semi or Grant. ( I think we only need one of Semi and Grant)

Add in a third who's all for this, wings are hottest commodity in the NBA, so hard to get. With the C's capped out for the foreseeable future its gonna be really yard to add NBA quality wings with only the midlevel to work with, and with hayward's future uncertain and Semi being kind of "meh" at best we could use another 6'6-6'8 guy. Sadiq Bey i think would be ideal, i'd love vassell but I think he requires a move up. Williams has good size, Nesmith shooting, but really any of the 4. Add one of those guys in with Langford, Brown, Tatum, and I think you have a good long term wing core.

4thed. Green (if he lasts) Woodard, Bey, Balmaro interest me later as well.
A big like Okongwu (trade up obviously) or Reed would be nice. Reggie Perry with 47 or UDFA.
I wouldn't hate RJ or Hayes or whoever drops at 14, though.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I know we don't have roster spots, but just to throw this out there, Nick Richards of Kentucky reminds me a bit of Jarrett Allen of the Nets. I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if he's available in the second round.