Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[marthafokker]

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If #2 is worth Mitch. Then Minny should be happy to take Paschall for the #1 then with that logic.

[Scoots1994]

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If you think Wiseman's ceiling is higher than Mitch's then the straight up trade doesn't make sense for the Warriors. They have said they want to come out of this draft with the maximum talent possible, nut just going for a player to "win now". Myers straight up said he's been told his job is not to win this year but to keep the Warriors winning for the next decade and beyond.

[wco81]

Raptors board is talking up trading Siakam for Wiggins and #2.

You know after a horrible game today, they'll just dump Siakam and his huge contract for Wiggins and #2.

How gracious of them to offer that.

[spree8]

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If #2 is worth Mitch. Then Minny should be happy to take Paschall for the #1 then with that logic.

What logic is that exactly?

[spree8]

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If you think Wiseman's ceiling is higher than Mitch's then the straight up trade doesn't make sense for the Warriors. They have said they want to come out of this draft with the maximum talent possible, nut just going for a player to "win now". Myers straight up said he's been told his job is not to win this year but to keep the Warriors winning for the next decade and beyond.

Never said his ceiling was higher. I said we need a better offensive option. I don’t think he’ll be as good as Mitch on defense... but it’s a matter of preference/fit... not necessarily who’ll be better overall.

[marthafokker]

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If #2 is worth Mitch. Then Minny should be happy to take Paschall for the #1 then with that logic.

What logic is that exactly?

More logic than yours!

If an All Rookie team player is not worth #1 pick, than how is a center that can't start for a bad team be worth #2 pick? Oh, he is a NYK.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

Yeah, that's delusional. It's going to take MitchRob and #8 to start the conversation to move up to #2. If you can't agree on that, there's no conversation to be had.

He's started 26 of 167 games played! He averages 22 mpg! He's not and has never been a starter let alone a good one. You're trying to sell a Toyota and telling me it's a Lexus. Bro, I can see the car, it's a Toyota, why are you saying it's a Lexus and asking for Lexus prices?

[Chuck-Cheese]

Eh, I think that’s a bit of a spin. The players available at #2 in this draft are not nearly as valuable. You’re not getting an All-Star for it. And Mitch is already more than just a good starter, who projects to be even better. He’s very efficient and his defense is stellar. Once he improves on committing fouls, he can be elite in that department.

I like Mitch and wouldn’t mind keeping him at all... I’d prefer Wiseman, but not giving up a king’s ransom to get him.

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

if Mitch is that valuable why would the knicks trade him?

[spree8]

Mitch is not and has never been a good starter. I hope he's capable of becoming one which is why we're interested, but that's a chance we're taking by trading for him.

You rejected my previous trade. The starting point for discussions is obviously #2 for MitchRob and #8, agreed? But MitchRob imho isn't enough compensation to move from #2 to #8 which is why I asked for another first.

I understand that you're probably not going to make a huge improvement this coming year so your first next season is valuable and that's why I attached a bunch of protections to it. I doubt it would convey in 2021, probably a little better than 50/50 that it conveys in 2022.

That said, I recognize even a likely 2022 lottery pick is a valuable thing which is why I offered the Warriors 2021 1st that even with lottery protections will almost certainly convey.

If you still think that's too much, what would you offer in addition to the starting point of MitchRob and #8 for #2?

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

Yeah, that's delusional. It's going to take MitchRob and #8 to start the conversation to move up to #2. If you can't agree on that, there's no conversation to be had.

He's started 26 of 167 games played! He averages 22 mpg! He's not and has never been a starter let alone a good one. You're trying to sell a Toyota and telling me it's a Lexus. Bro, I can see the car, it's a Toyota, why are you saying it's a Lexus and asking for Lexus prices?

You literally said you’d rather have Mitch over Wiseman lol.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

Yeah, that's delusional. It's going to take MitchRob and #8 to start the conversation to move up to #2. If you can't agree on that, there's no conversation to be had.

He's started 26 of 167 games played! He averages 22 mpg! He's not and has never been a starter let alone a good one. You're trying to sell a Toyota and telling me it's a Lexus. Bro, I can see the car, it's a Toyota, why are you saying it's a Lexus and asking for Lexus prices?

You literally said you’d rather have Mitch over Wiseman lol.

Because I want a rim runner/rim protector ready to play now. I don't want an incredibly talented but raw center that could develop into a star in a few years. That's what your team wants.

And besides, you're the one trying to move up for a player. I don't care what player you want, you're the one trying to move up. If you want to swap #8 for #2 you gotta pay for it. If Mitch is too much to pay because you think he's a good starter then why are you trying to move up for Wiseman? You already have a good starting center on the roster in your mind. You want to move forward with both Wiseman and MItch? Okay, then what are you offering instead?

You can't use my motivation for wanting to make the trade against me. If you want to move up it's for your own reasons, not because of my liking Mitch.

[ShayDee]

Raptors board is talking up trading Siakam for Wiggins and #2.

You know after a horrible game today, they'll just dump Siakam and his huge contract for Wiggins and #2.

How gracious of them to offer that.

I would not do it straight up, nope, never. Raps need to add their 27th pick and a future 2nd maybe

Like I mean there was a time when Wiggins averaged 24ppg and everyone thought (still think he can maybe) he was trending up. His FO maxed him hoping he'd jump to stardom. Same situation is happening here with Siakam. Just a small sample size of games before all star break he put up numbers, they maxed him and now it is showing he cannot lead a team, cannot create his shots, takes extremely low IQ shots, just looks like a mess. I don't know if I want to touch him. Wiggins is also a better shooter

They get the #2, Can reset at PG since Lowry is old and FVV is looking for money, get Wiggins who would produce the same as Siakam on 1 year less of same money, while we get a lesser Wiggins + nothing. I wouldn't do it and hope Bob doesn't if Siakam does not improve

[wco81]

No it's one-sided trade that Raptors fans think they can get.

[ShayDee]

Would you guys accept Delon Wright for the 31st pick back? Mavs need to clear some cap and their picks might be on the table

[Scoots1994]

I wouldn’t be looking at Mitch and the 8th as a starting point... just Mitch for #2 straight up. I don’t see how you can say he isn’t a good starter. I watch all the games... I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. If you said “I’d rather have Mitch than Wiseman”, why would NY need to add to Mitch then? I’m not putting the #2 on a pedestal this year... I’m looking at this as Mitch for Wiseman... which is what it is.

If #2 is worth Mitch. Then Minny should be happy to take Paschall for the #1 then with that logic.

What logic is that exactly?

I think the idea was that Paschall is a good NBA offensive player so ...

[ChuckDurn]

Would you guys accept Delon Wright for the 31st pick back? Mavs need to clear some cap and their picks might be on the table

Not a chance. He makes $9M next year and $8.5M the next year; way overpaid for his production, and with the Warriors luxury tax situation, that probably is more like $25-30M. So financially, his contract would be a disaster for Golden State’s bottom line. But additionally, the only way the Warriors could trade for him would be to absorb him into the $17.2M trade exception we have, which is viewed as a key tool for us to get a valuable talent this off-season. Using up half of that on a 9th man like Wright drastically reduced what we could do with the balance of it - we’re certainly not going to get a very helpful piece for the remaining $8.2 million.

So in summary, we’d spend probably $25M (real money, including the tax) on a middle-of-the-road player, and limit what other opportunities we have. The 31st pick isn’t worth that - not even close. It would certainly have to be a top-10 pick coming back for the Warriors to accept any type of “offer” like that from any team.

[Mylie10]

So I forget where I read it but heard a rumor in regards to the Warriors and Phoenix.

The writer said that Phoenix wants to free up some money to try and bring in a bigger free agent. They are loaded with small forwards and may be interested in Kelly Oubre to the Warriors.

The trade proposed was Oubre and 10 for our TPE......WHAT?

I would do that trade in an obvious nano second. The reasoning by the writer is to incentivize it for the Warriors because they don’t necessarily want another draft pick to have to pay and nurture. Phoenix is thinking about a veteran and a big name. Interesting.

If they wanted us to add our own 2021 protected, I’d do it easily.

Imagine Oubre at 14 mil. Leaves another TPE created at 3.2 mil. And we’d have the number 2 and the number 10, as well as the MLE.

It sounds like wishful thinking to me, but damn that’s interesting for sure.

[ShayDee]

The suns are not trading #10 pick no matter what, they are also not trading up. Teams don't like Oubre and his contract in this pandemic. Oubre has a bad reputation right now and teams probably believe he would be a rental. And I honestly see it too. Like I have been saying this for months and months

Oubre is way overrated here. He plays for himself, he has bad attitude, he will not accept coming off the bench and getting less touches, he wants a payday so he will start taking bad ill advised low IQ shots that will be a detriment to our team and he will sulk so hard when he doesn't get touches. He will be a rental for us

But if he is magically coming with the #10 I'd do it in a heart beat. It's just that I the suns will rather trade him to the East than to deal with us. But it's a fact that the suns need to clear room. They want to sign FVV and bring Baynes back

[Scoots1994]

So I forget where I read it but heard a rumor in regards to the Warriors and Phoenix.

The writer said that Phoenix wants to free up some money to try and bring in a bigger free agent. They are loaded with small forwards and may be interested in Kelly Oubre to the Warriors.

The trade proposed was Oubre and 10 for our TPE......WHAT?

I would do that trade in an obvious nano second. The reasoning by the writer is to incentivize it for the Warriors because they don’t necessarily want another draft pick to have to pay and nurture. Phoenix is thinking about a veteran and a big name. Interesting.

If they wanted us to add our own 2021 protected, I’d do it easily.

Imagine Oubre at 14 mil. Leaves another TPE created at 3.2 mil. And we’d have the number 2 and the number 10, as well as the MLE.

It sounds like wishful thinking to me, but damn that’s interesting for sure.

Sure, do that ... and watch GM Jones get fired.

[Warriors Analyst]

So I forget where I read it but heard a rumor in regards to the Warriors and Phoenix.

The writer said that Phoenix wants to free up some money to try and bring in a bigger free agent. They are loaded with small forwards and may be interested in Kelly Oubre to the Warriors.

The trade proposed was Oubre and 10 for our TPE......WHAT?

I would do that trade in an obvious nano second. The reasoning by the writer is to incentivize it for the Warriors because they don’t necessarily want another draft pick to have to pay and nurture. Phoenix is thinking about a veteran and a big name. Interesting.

If they wanted us to add our own 2021 protected, I’d do it easily.

Imagine Oubre at 14 mil. Leaves another TPE created at 3.2 mil. And we’d have the number 2 and the number 10, as well as the MLE.

It sounds like wishful thinking to me, but damn that’s interesting for sure.

The best thing that could have happened for the Warriors was Phoenix going undefeated in the bubble. Makes it easier for them to move on from Oubre and Baynes.

[Scoots1994]

I love the idea that so many teams may be salary sellers while the Warriors are one of the few buyers. Makes the Warriors space even more valuable and lets them ask for a discount/sweetener in trades.

Is it possible for a team trading away a player to pay part of their future salary as a sweetener or to make the deal possible? I know I've seen it in the past, but don't remember if it was NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLB.