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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1021 » by 316Hornets » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:05 pm

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James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.


He's an elite playmaker which is why he doesn't have to become a three point shooter. Shot looks broken but he's going to make his teammates better and you need to do that if you can't score efficiently.

I don't think he's a fit here because while we need a second ball-handler we still lack a go-to scorer. He's a really really bad fit here. So I like a trade down with the Knicks. I'd want Mitchell Robinson + 8 + right to swap 2021 firsts.


Why are we worried about fit? Maybe we can tank into a superstar in 2021? I think it'd actually be good for us to give Devonte most of the scoring duties so we can evaluate him for his next contract. Right to swap firsts sounds like a bad deal to me. 3 is worth a lot more than 8.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2
Draft Pick Trade Value Raw / Normalized Values
Pick Value Normalized
1 4000 100.00
2 3100 77.50
3 2670 66.75
4 2410 60.25
5 2240 56.00
6 2110 52.75
7 2000 50.00
8 1910 47.75
9 1830 45.75
10 1720 43.00
11 1600 40.00
12 1500 37.50
13 1400 35.00
14 1320 33.00
15 1240 31.00
16 1180 29.50
17 1130 28.25
18 1080 27.00
19 1030 25.75
20 980 24.50
21 920 23.00
22 860 21.50
23 800 20.00
24 750 18.75
25 700 17.50
26 660 16.50
27 620 15.50
28 570 14.25
29 520 13.00
30 470 11.75
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1022 » by amcoolio » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:13 pm

Leaning towards Wiseman or Okongwu and punting the elite wing til 2021 draft, which is way, way better
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1023 » by JMAC3 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:38 pm

amcoolio wrote:Leaning towards Wiseman or Okongwu and punting the elite wing til 2021 draft, which is way, way better


Or we grab wing now and another wing next year... because you can easily play 4 wings at the same time right now. Guys that can guard 1-4 and shoot the three is what matters.


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1024 » by UNCNYC » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:14 pm

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Rich4114 wrote:What is it about LaMelo that causes people to believe he's a top 3 pick and potential star? Is it just that he's got 1-2 skills that are considered elite + his size for his position? I feel like you really need to be able to shoot/score in today's NBA to be considered a high impact player. Without that, you'll be rotational/limited and likely won't see the court during crunch time.


NBA has become much more about entertainment lately. Look at the stars they showcase, almost all of them have that "IT" factor. Well, Lamelo has it too. What that means is he will get every opportunity for success from favorable calls to top of the line training.

The guy plays with a chip on his shoulder as well, something MJ can really appreciate. I know it's hard to believe a TV star can become a superstar but just remember Disney owns ESPN.


I agree with LaMello having that "IT" factor. He falls in line with the type of player I like to draft. I am almost ready to put him in the TOP spot over drafting Killian Hayes due to us being such a small market and needing that STAR.

Even my ex girlfriend knows who LaMelol Ball is and she doesn't watch ANY sports. She posted him the other day lol.

I wonder tho if he will fade away after his first year and noone is interested anymore... As of late I think I am willing to take that chance. I LOVE Killian because imo he has somewhat of a chance to reach star potential as well. Nowhere NEAR LaMelo at first but he could be someone worth a game or "3" on TNT a year which is more than we get and a few more fans in the seats
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1025 » by James Gatz » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

in glorified scrimmages and aussie league :-?


NBL is at least on par with talent in NCAA. They are also grown men with developed bodies and skill sets. Two things that the NCAA lacks. Athleticism favors NCAA. I can see the argument if it was about Lamelo's speed playing in NBL but not handle.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1026 » by wilson115 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:56 pm

Well, Spencer Pearlman has Lamelo and Lamelo only in his 1st tier post-lottery. Avdija, Hayes, and Poku in his 2nd.

https://www.thestrick.land/podcasts/locked-on-knicks-nba-draft-lottery-spencer-pearlman-1
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Post#1027 » by Braggins » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:58 pm

Poku is all over the place on draft boards. He looks like a massive developmental project to me, but there is obviously a good amount of talent there.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1028 » by Diop » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:25 am

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James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.

in glorified scrimmages and aussie league :-?

To be fair, Aussie league was probably tougher than college. It’s a fast physical league for guards. It wasn’t a cake walk for mills when he played last lockout
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1029 » by BigSlam » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:34 am

When are we starting our big board?

Because we are picking so high this year, should we wait until closer to the actual draft to start it?


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1030 » by JMAC3 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:43 am

BigSlam wrote:When are we starting our big board?

Because we are picking so high this year, should we wait until closer to the actual draft to start it?


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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1031 » by 316Hornets » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:27 am

Watching Bam tonight taking Giannis out of the game has got to raise Okongwu's stock.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1032 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:29 am

wilson115 wrote:Going by perceptions it looks like the popular choices on this board fall into two groups:

High potential, high risk: Ball, Edwards, Wiseman

Limited potential (but higher floor), low risk: Haliburton, Hayes, Okongwu


I think that Okongwu is high potential, low risk ... but I'll agree that there is a matter of degree here. To steal from baseball Edwards could be a home run or a strikeout. Okongwu is likely a 3rd base guy.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1033 » by driveandkick » Tue Sep 1, 2020 1:58 am

The Ringer mock has us taking Obi, on paper that would be the worst draft pick in team history
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1034 » by James Gatz » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:03 am

Taking Toppin would be the most upsetting possible outcome. Luckily the ringer is probably the least credible source of mainstream outlets.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1035 » by driveandkick » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:30 am

James Gatz wrote:Taking Toppin would be the most upsetting possible outcome. Luckily the ringer is probably the least credible source of mainstream outlets.

I hated him as a prospect at 8, taking him in the top three even in a draft like this would just be a cataclysmically horrific decision. Not even because I totally hate the player, he just does not fit with the current construction of the roster. I think PJ is the one guy we currently have where you sit and say "don't do anything to impact his development or change the role he had last year." Taking Toppin does just that. We already have a superior prospect in PJ to play the Toppin role. Toppin is going to be a defensive liability in almost any scheme I can think of.

It also fits the pattern of taking a veteran productive NCAA player that doesn't have much of a ceiling left. It's not a horrible strategy in the backend of the lottery, but in the top three it's just horrifically bad even in a draft like this. At some point you have to draft someone that has some sort of ceiling. Toppin will probably stick in the league because he'll be a good offensive player, but he's always going to be a complete defensive liability. Here I am thinking I can't separate the players much (besides Ball being my clear #1) and that I'll be excited regardless of who we draft because I see interesting stuff in every potential player. But Toppin would just send me into **** orbit. I'd be fuming. The draft is also slated to be the night before my wedding currently so please no bad vibes.
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Post#1036 » by driveandkick » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:34 am

wilson115 wrote:Well, Spencer Pearlman has Lamelo and Lamelo only in his 1st tier post-lottery. Avdija, Hayes, and Poku in his 2nd.

https://www.thestrick.land/podcasts/locked-on-knicks-nba-draft-lottery-spencer-pearlman-1

I'm not a scout, I don't have the time nor the expertise to act like I'm great at analyzing talent. But I have built up a network of people I trust regarding to the draft. Why do I trust them? Because almost every year they get it right at a higher level than these paid ESPN pundits. And most people in this network have come to the same consensus, and I'm not ashamed to say that's why LaMelo sits firmly at #1 on my wishlist.
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Post#1037 » by UNCNYC » Tue Sep 1, 2020 2:49 am

driveandkick wrote:The Ringer mock has us taking Obi, on paper that would be the worst draft pick in team history


I hope we don't draft Obi. I think

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Malik Fitts
Reggie Perry

Not to mention if McDaniels or Saddiq Bey were to fall. I think those are all just as good prospects as Obi Toppin. Even Killian Tillie if you don't mind his injuries
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Post#1038 » by luciano-davidwesley » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:01 am

Obi Toppin at 3 is a massive reach. He’s neither a fit for us or the best player available. There’s no way Mitch picks him at 3
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1039 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Sep 1, 2020 9:44 am

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MasterIchiro wrote:
James Gatz wrote:Lamelo's efficiency needs to improve but his handle is elite. He'll often be the best ball handler on the floor most games he plays.

Also something that never gets mentioned with him is AST/TO ratio (2.73) which is surprisingly excellent considering how many homerun passes he makes. Not to mention, he averaged 7.6 rpg as a point guard.


He's an elite playmaker which is why he doesn't have to become a three point shooter. Shot looks broken but he's going to make his teammates better and you need to do that if you can't score efficiently.

I don't think he's a fit here because while we need a second ball-handler we still lack a go-to scorer. He's a really really bad fit here. So I like a trade down with the Knicks. I'd want Mitchell Robinson + 8 + right to swap 2021 firsts.


Why are we worried about fit? Maybe we can tank into a superstar in 2021? I think it'd actually be good for us to give Devonte most of the scoring duties so we can evaluate him for his next contract. Right to swap firsts sounds like a bad deal to me. 3 is worth a lot more than 8.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2
Draft Pick Trade Value Raw / Normalized Values
Pick Value Normalized
1 4000 100.00
2 3100 77.50
3 2670 66.75
4 2410 60.25
5 2240 56.00
6 2110 52.75
7 2000 50.00
8 1910 47.75
9 1830 45.75
10 1720 43.00
11 1600 40.00
12 1500 37.50
13 1400 35.00
14 1320 33.00
15 1240 31.00
16 1180 29.50
17 1130 28.25
18 1080 27.00
19 1030 25.75
20 980 24.50
21 920 23.00
22 860 21.50
23 800 20.00
24 750 18.75
25 700 17.50
26 660 16.50
27 620 15.50
28 570 14.25
29 520 13.00
30 470 11.75


Right to swap firsts in 2021. It's 2020. The proposal is Lamelo for pick 8, Robinson and right to swap firsts with the Knicks next year. We'd be swapping firsts in a deep draft with maybe the worst team in the NBA + getting a legit center and still having pick 8 in a hazy draft where there might be a gem later in the draft who outplays the top picks.

I don't think it matters though, this deal should be there for the Wolves and/or Warriors. So scratch LaMelo off the board. I'm rooting for Edwards to fall. He has upside as a go-to scorer and an NBA-ready body and athleticism.
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Re: 2020 Draft Discussion 

Post#1040 » by BigSlam » Tue Sep 1, 2020 12:31 pm

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316Hornets wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
He's an elite playmaker which is why he doesn't have to become a three point shooter. Shot looks broken but he's going to make his teammates better and you need to do that if you can't score efficiently.

I don't think he's a fit here because while we need a second ball-handler we still lack a go-to scorer. He's a really really bad fit here. So I like a trade down with the Knicks. I'd want Mitchell Robinson + 8 + right to swap 2021 firsts.


Why are we worried about fit? Maybe we can tank into a superstar in 2021? I think it'd actually be good for us to give Devonte most of the scoring duties so we can evaluate him for his next contract. Right to swap firsts sounds like a bad deal to me. 3 is worth a lot more than 8.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2
Draft Pick Trade Value Raw / Normalized Values
Pick Value Normalized
1 4000 100.00
2 3100 77.50
3 2670 66.75
4 2410 60.25
5 2240 56.00
6 2110 52.75
7 2000 50.00
8 1910 47.75
9 1830 45.75
10 1720 43.00
11 1600 40.00
12 1500 37.50
13 1400 35.00
14 1320 33.00
15 1240 31.00
16 1180 29.50
17 1130 28.25
18 1080 27.00
19 1030 25.75
20 980 24.50
21 920 23.00
22 860 21.50
23 800 20.00
24 750 18.75
25 700 17.50
26 660 16.50
27 620 15.50
28 570 14.25
29 520 13.00
30 470 11.75


Right to swap firsts in 2021. It's 2020. The proposal is Lamelo for pick 8, Robinson and right to swap firsts with the Knicks next year. We'd be swapping firsts in a deep draft with maybe the worst team in the NBA + getting a legit center and still having pick 8 in a hazy draft where there might be a gem later in the draft who outplays the top picks.

I don't think it matters though, this deal should be there for the Wolves and/or Warriors. So scratch LaMelo off the board. I'm rooting for Edwards to fall. He has upside as a go-to scorer and an NBA-ready body and athleticism.

How can you advocate so heavily for Robinson while suggesting that Wiseman has no place in the NBA?

After insisting “traditional” bigs are being played out of the game, first you were all about Turner and now it’s Robinson.

The hypocrisy is thick.


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