Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Kobblehead]

Does anyone think Colin Sexton or Darius garland can be that PG we’re looking for ?

Probably moreso the 6th man that we're looking for.

Neither player seems interested in playing defense or operating in a facilitating role. Both would likely be pretty frustrating to watch on a contender.

[stormi]

I wonder what Kobble would say watching the Heat with Dragic, Herro, Nunn, Robinson and Olynyk playing big playoff minutes while not being known as great or even good defenders.

Defense is more about schemes and effort than anything else imo

[DT RAW]

finally something we agree on. Sick n tired of this defense liability BS. And thats what it is. BS.

Got a bunch of players in this series our fans would never sign because we have to defend simmons as all world defense that makes up for offense.

No. Defense is all effort and postioning. Nothing else.

U teach defense, u cant teach offensive skill.

We could have miamis exact team amd under brown would be a bottom 10 defense.

GO GET OFFENSIVE TALENT NOW

[DT RAW]

Beal is a bona-fide flame thrower who's absolutely capable of shouldering an offensive load as a #1 option.

I'm going to disagree with this.

I think Bradley Beal's ability to score off the dribble is questionable, at best.

I do not think he's a good halfcourt ball handler. Feel the same way about Devin Booker.

Are you even watching booker any time recently? This is flat out WRONG

[Kobblehead]

I wonder what Kobble would say watching the Heat with Dragic, Herro, Nunn, Robinson and Olynyk playing big playoff minutes while not being known as great or even good defenders.

Defense is more about schemes and effort than anything else imo

Don't you think that's why they were so desperate to add Jae Crowder and Andre Iguodala?

They knew their playoff defense was going to be weak, that's why they've given 25+ mpg roles to both Dre and Jae.

You can't scheme your way to stop ball handlers. You either have guys that can be exploited or you don't.

[stormi]

I wonder what Kobble would say watching the Heat with Dragic, Herro, Nunn, Robinson and Olynyk playing big playoff minutes while not being known as great or even good defenders.

Defense is more about schemes and effort than anything else imo

Don't you think that's why they were so desperate to add Jae Crowder and Andre Iguodala?

They knew their playoff defense was going to be weak, that's why they've given 25+ mpg roles to both Dre and Jae.

You can't scheme your way to stop ball handlers. You either have guys that can be exploited or you don't.

Of course I agree, but we already have defensive pillars like Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons and maybe soon Matisse Thybulle. We have the flexibility to add specialists around them like Herro's and Robinson's. I feel like you dismiss any non 2-way player that's discussed for the Sixers because they don't fit a certain defensive criteria, even when like the Heat are showing if coached well and bought it - won't be exploited.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Beal is a bona-fide flame thrower who's absolutely capable of shouldering an offensive load as a #1 option.

I'm going to disagree with this.

I think Bradley Beal's ability to score off the dribble is questionable, at best.

I do not think he's a good halfcourt ball handler. Feel the same way about Devin Booker.

Are you even watching booker any time recently? This is flat out WRONG

IDK man, Beal and Booker remind me more of former players like Dale Ellis and Reggie Miller. Both assassins from the outside, both clutch, both can hit contested shots, yet neither Ellis or Miller were ever "take you off the dribble" type of players. That doesn't mean that they weren't some of the better guards of their era (both most likely are top five). Both Booker and Beal can obviously score without taking threes, but their games in my opinion are better suited moving off the ball and getting open looks through screens and creating confusion against defenders. Due to their situations, I think both are asked to do more than should be expected. Both are much better creators than either Ellis and Miller, but I do think they are both limited in terms of scoring off the dribble which is a different type of art in the league. Guys like Jamal Murray, Mitchell, Chris Paul, Shai Gil, Kawhi, Harden, Luka...Those guys take you to school and put you on skates. Beal and Booker aren't really in that category in my opinion, but both are still phenomenal players in this league, both can be built around, and both would be welcome as a lead shooting guard on any contending team. Put Klay Thompson in that category too. He's one of the best shooting guards in the game, but off the bounce is definitely not his style. I've watched quite a bit of Bradley Beal and quite a bit of Devin Booker...Yes they are scorers and Beal is even asked to play the point guard at times in Washington, but neither are exceptional "iso" type of players. I'd still happily trade Ben Simmons for either one though and i'm a huge Ben Simmons fan. I mean a pairing of Beal/Embiid would be pure poetry.

[Kobblehead]

The only two traits I care about are scoring off the dribble and defense. My preference is to find guys that can do both because those are the most impactful players.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The only two traits I care about are scoring off the dribble and defense. My preference is to find guys that can do both because those are the most impactful players.

Pshh...After the mess we have created, your most realistic options and I say that in a fantasy sort of way...are Dinwiddie or LeVert. A lot of people seem to think that Brooklyn will be open to parting with one of them. At any rate, neither one is a good defensive player, but both are great with the basketball in their hands. I holding out for improvement from Shake Milton at this point. That's where all my hope is going because I don't see a solution to the whole Horford/Tobias debacle. I do feel like we are a mouse hair away from trading either Simmons or Embiid for this type of player that you speak of. We'll see how next season goes.

[DT RAW]

Defense has been nullified in todays nba. Why dont u see that. Im an all about defense guy and teach it first with the teams I have coached, but in nba its all offense.

Miami is playing guys like herro and dragic in final 3 minutes and not being exploited. Its ALL EFFORT AND POSITIONING

[stormi]

The only two traits I care about are scoring off the dribble and defense. My preference is to find guys that can do both because those are the most impactful players.

Right and you wouldn't take Dragic or Herro on your team?

[DT RAW]

I hate this organization. We gave away butler and jj for horford and jrich LOLOLOLOLOL

[Kobblehead]

Right and you wouldn't take Dragic or Herro on your team?

Herro? Hell no. Just another shooting wing that can't score off the dribble or defend. He's just another Redick like simile or a rich man's Milton/Korkmaz/Richardson.

I wouldn't mind Dragic as a 6th, 7th, or 8th man. I wouldn't pay him anything more than the MLE or vet minimum, though. Nor would I trade up in the draft to get a guy with his skillset.

[stormi]

sad.

[Mik317]

Kobble's right but is exaggerating a bit. Getting your own shot consistently is the top skill. That includes getting to the line as well.

However, you can't have a lineup of 5 shot creators tho. some spot up dudes who can not die on defense is fine. JJ is not a great defender by no means but most teams have a dude you can hide him on...our issue year one was we had him out there with Marco and a Washed Ersan. The key is not switching everything and not allowing the other team to pick their defenders via effort...again IMO our defensive issues were partly scheme based IMO as we just dropped everything and attempted to use our length to chase down blocks or steals or late contests ...which would end in runway layups, fouls or walk in pull ups...when IMO we should have used said length to either fight thru the screen to stay attach or go around it and contest the probable 3...the latter of which I'd argue is still a tougher shot. We are long enough for it to still bother most shots...its better than the effortless **** we allowed late in the year.

but of course that also requires Biid to stop being a fat boy, and him being the only bigman on the floor at the time and for him to stop playing that far back. I get why he does it but we OD'd on it IMO.

[Kobblehead]

I think most seem to be on the right track in wanting the team to put an emphasis on finding guys that can score off the dribble. Shotcreation has proven time and time again to be the most important offensive quality.

But why all the sudden do people act like you can field a bunch of defensive sieves and there would be no trade off?
You can't just have a bunch of Jordan Clarksons out there.

Also, come on, these shooting specialists wings suck. They offer nothing to playoff basketball. If you can't score off the dribble or defend, you're a detriment to the postseason.

[stormi]

But why all the sudden do people act like you can field a bunch of defensive sieves and there would be no trade off?

Who has even implied that? Looking at the Miami roster anatomically just provides a counter perspective. The shotcreating defenders that you want are unicorns. Those are star players like Kawhi and Butler. Where and how are we going to acquire them? It's not realistic to field an allstar team starting five, so you cut corner like the Heat have and through coaching and schemes it's working.

[Kobblehead]

I think you have a little too much admiration for Miami. They just won game 1 of the 2nd round vs. a fake contender. They don't exactly have a new proven blueprint for success here.

Also, literally all of their success is tied to Jimmy Butler. Give them Devin Booker or Bradley Beal instead of Jimmy Butler and they'd be laughed out of the playoffs.

[stormi]

I think it's less about Butler and more about the idea of these non defenders, defending quite well in a cohesive unit.

[VDT]

The Heat have competent defenders to put on the Bucks main scoring threats. They get away with Dragics and Co defensively because the Buscks cant really exploit them.