Around The NBA: 2019-20 RESTART

[tgmxd]

I'll never get over the people on here complaining about him not being good enough to win with and acting like he was some kind of cancer because he actually wanted to win

[jc23]

I wish i could find the gif of Jimmy giving Giannis the "locked up" sign when we played them in the playoffs. Cant find it but i know it happened.

[JimmyButler21]

I'll never get over the people on here complaining about him not being good enough to win with and acting like he was some kind of cancer because he actually wanted to win

He wasn't good enough to win with when you have a GM that has no idea how to build an NBA team. Their best idea was Rondo and a washed Wade.

[Leslie Forman]

Does anyone else here ever miss Jimmy Butler being a Bull?

I know, I know, this is probably something no one here has ever even considered. But bear with me. He's just the best.

Wish there was a way to have both him and Lavine on this team

We could've drafted Zach instead of Doug and had both.

And then they could've been traded together for Andrew Wiggins.

[Ugly Duckling]

Still can't believe we traded Butler in his prime

[dumbell78]

I want to ask Pax again if Jimmy Butler is a guy you build around or a guy you build with. He'll have to remove a couple feet and dildos out his mouth to answer first.

[jc23]

Chicago basically traded Jimmy because garpax had no confidence in garpax to make it work.

[ImSlower]

Damn, Chris Paul wants to win this game more than anyone else on the court right now. Go OKC. They're playing their guts out while the Rockets are kind of snoozing through this game.

[dice]

playoffs got real tonight. go thunder, go jimmy

i'd love to see cp3 get off the playoff schneid somewhat by getting the biggest win of his career on sunday and taking down the team that didn't appreciate him enough in the process. but i suspect that it'll be just another in a long line of disappointments

[Wingy]

Can we please, please bump the thread where there’s like...scores of posters venomously posting how we won the Wolves trade, and Jimmy’s such a cancer?

Dude didn’t sugar coat it. He just called out the two loser franchises for being losers. Ruffles feathers, but it was the right call. If ownership wasn’t all “I Will Always Love You” with GarPax, and overhauled the FO/coaching instead of trading Jimmy...we could be a dark horse contender if we played our cards right.

[dice]

Can we please, please bump the thread where there’s like...scores of posters venomously posting how we won the Wolves trade, and Jimmy’s such a cancer?

i'm sure there are at least 3 such threads (after trade from bulls, after trade from minny, after trade from philly). which one are you referring to?

[dumbell78]

Must say that was some super dumb execution by Houston at the end. Seemed like they forgot how to play basketball. Putting it in Westbrooks hands and Harden just chilling out? Weird and dumb.

[MrFortune3]

I'll never get over the people on here complaining about him not being good enough to win with and acting like he was some kind of cancer because he actually wanted to win

The "Jimmy Butler is not a superstar" mantra that permeated this board were some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen from Bulls fans in my lifetime.

[dice]

came across a thread prior to bulls trading jimmy discussing possibilities...

most heat: jimmy to sixers. most mentioned was #3 + saric, some wanted luwawu or even lakers pick thrown in. next most popular suggestion was #3 + lakers pick + okafor. only one person was willing to settle for #3 + filler

phoenix and minnesota combined didn't generate as much interest in philly

phoenix asks: everything from #4 + chriss to #4 + chriss, ulis and bender
minny asks: dunn + lavine +#7 most common (no pick swap), dunn +7 + dieng OR lavine, #7 + dunn + future first, wiggins + pick swap, etc

"Andrew Wiggins in his 3rd season is as good as Jimmy on offense. He's only 22. His potential is through the roof. Long, athletic, good defender, really good on offense. We'd be lucky if we got him in a one-on-one trade with Jimmy"

"That's literally the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to Wiggins as a good defender. He's also not nearly as good or as efficient on offense as Butler. Nor does he rebound or create assists at anywhere near the same rate."

a couple of jimmy for sactown 5 + 10 mentions, one w/ WCS/skal added

a couple of russell or ingram + lakers #2

only a few celtics suggestions, surprisingly:

-bradley and fultz
-brown+ zeller + 2018 nets + memphis pick
-bradley + brown + 2018 nets
-brown + rozier + smart + 2018 nets

a couple of people were big on mccollum for jimmy straight up, which produced some great quotes:

"max contract has disaster written all over it"
"butler is not a difference maker, mccollum has a chance to become a top 5-10 player"
"jimmy is a questionable leader at best. At worst, a very poor leader. Doesn't get much out of lessor talents"
"not seeing any special type of skill set in jimmy. I see joe johnson"
"CJ looks like a steph clone to me"

another person wanted mccollum plus crabbe, #15, #20 and future first. another wanted the same...but was willing to settle for no mccollum

quote of the thread:

"if you're trading jimmy butler for picks outside of the top 3 and young players without superstar potential, you're messing up
" - nomorezorro

[johnnyvann840]

came across a thread prior to bulls trading jimmy discussing possibilities...

most heat: jimmy to sixers. most mentioned was #3 + saric, some wanted luwawu or even lakers pick thrown in. next most popular suggestion was #3 + lakers pick + okafor. only one person was willing to settle for #3 + filler

phoenix and minnesota combined didn't generate as much interest in philly

phoenix asks: everything from #4 + chriss to #4 + chriss, ulis and bender
minny asks: dunn + lavine +#7 most common (no pick swap), dunn +7 + dieng OR lavine, #7 + dunn + future first, wiggins + pick swap, etc

"Andrew Wiggins in his 3rd season is as good as Jimmy on offense. He's only 22. His potential is through the roof. Long, athletic, good defender, really good on offense. We'd be lucky if we got him in a one-on-one trade with Jimmy"

"That's literally the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to Wiggins as a good defender. He's also not nearly as good or as efficient on offense as Butler. Nor does he rebound or create assists at anywhere near the same rate."

a couple of jimmy for sactown 5 + 10 mentions, one w/ WCS/skal added

a couple of russell or ingram + lakers #2

only a few celtics suggestions, surprisingly:

-bradley and fultz
-brown+ zeller + 2018 nets + memphis pick
-bradley + brown + 2018 nets
-brown + rozier + smart + 2018 nets

a couple of people were big on mccollum for jimmy straight up, which produced some great quotes:

"max contract has disaster written all over it"
"butler is not a difference maker, mccollum has a chance to become a top 5-10 player"
"jimmy is a questionable leader at best. At worst, a very poor leader. Doesn't get much out of lessor talents"
"not seeing any special type of skill set in jimmy. I see joe johnson"
"CJ looks like a steph clone to me"

another person wanted mccollum plus crabbe, #15, #20 and future first. another wanted the same...but was willing to settle for no mccollum

quote of the thread:

"if you're trading jimmy butler for picks outside of the top 3 and young players without superstar potential, you're messing up
" - nomorezorro

link?

[DASMACKDOWN]

Underrated Candidate for worst GM: Elton Brand

He's completely squandering the process. He had a full war chest of extra picks, young players and young stars. He's literally traded almost every pick, young player (outside of Embid and Simmons) and asset they've had for basically a rental of Butler and Tobias Harris. He didn't pay Jimmy after trading for him and a strong playoff performance. He signed another center to huge money in a old Hortford. He has basically traded a huge amount of assets and payed Tobias Harris an obscene amount of money. He traded away Fultz for nothing who has only become better after. He has two stars that don't work well together and couldn't put around the one thing to help in shooting around them.

Somehow I never hit send on my original post.

The real key mistake was that the team should have been Embiid, Simmons and Jimmy. Those 3 are the true scary pieces. They could have just built around those 3 and been fantastic every year. I think Brand was suckered into "Oh but what about the shooting?"

There is no way in the world anyone would think Tobias Harris is a better player than Jimmy Butler. Even if you thought Tobias could shoot it better, the other intangibles Jimmy brings trumps it significantly.

So to me that was the single egregious move Brand did that started the downward trend.

But also Brand double downed on his mistake by locking in all his remaining assets for Horford. That was a Gar move. All because Horford played well against Embiid in the past doesnt mean he will also make a good teammate.

Embiid and Horford couldnt play together. Horford these days is certainly a 5. An undersized 5 but still a 5. Having them both out there, gave vibe of Joakim and Gasol. That combo never worked and never could.

Now mind you, I didnt say the team was trash. Its certainly not. It just has to play to his optimal level. What they are hoping for is another coach can crack the code and bring them to a true title contender. But if they come out of the gate slow next year or still have the same problems, I think then we will see a big influx of trade rumors for Ben and Embiid.

If I were the Bulls I would go hard for Ben. I Know he cant or does shoot jumpers, but he is such a unique talent that you cannot match up with him. Too big for the guards, too quick for the bigs. I just really think you could build a beautiful team around him.

[Red8911]

What a game from our boy Jimmy !! I’m rooting for him to go all the way. Gar/Pax and Reinsdorf definitely feel like idiots right now. I still can’t believe they traded him.

[Ugly Duckling]

Damn, Chris Paul wants to win this game more than anyone else on the court right now. Go OKC. They're playing their guts out while the Rockets are kind of snoozing through this game.

CP's a monster. Better than Harden in the clutch, but too injury-prone at this point in his career to rely on. Would be crazy if he outs them

[Hangtime84]

Does anyone else here ever miss Jimmy Butler being a Bull?

I know, I know, this is probably something no one here has ever even considered. But bear with me. He's just the best.

Wish there was a way to have both him and Lavine on this team

We could've drafted Zach instead of Doug and had both.

The perfect mentee for Buckets to train up too

[TheStig]

Underrated Candidate for worst GM: Elton Brand

He's completely squandering the process. He had a full war chest of extra picks, young players and young stars. He's literally traded almost every pick, young player (outside of Embid and Simmons) and asset they've had for basically a rental of Butler and Tobias Harris. He didn't pay Jimmy after trading for him and a strong playoff performance. He signed another center to huge money in a old Hortford. He has basically traded a huge amount of assets and payed Tobias Harris an obscene amount of money. He traded away Fultz for nothing who has only become better after. He has two stars that don't work well together and couldn't put around the one thing to help in shooting around them.

Somehow I never hit send on my original post.

The real key mistake was that the team should have been Embiid, Simmons and Jimmy. Those 3 are the true scary pieces. They could have just built around those 3 and been fantastic every year. I think Brand was suckered into "Oh but what about the shooting?"

There is no way in the world anyone would think Tobias Harris is a better player than Jimmy Butler. Even if you thought Tobias could shoot it better, the other intangibles Jimmy brings trumps it significantly.

So to me that was the single egregious move Brand did that started the downward trend.

But also Brand double downed on his mistake by locking in all his remaining assets for Horford. That was a Gar move. All because Horford played well against Embiid in the past doesnt mean he will also make a good teammate.

Embiid and Horford couldnt play together. Horford these days is certainly a 5. An undersized 5 but still a 5. Having them both out there, gave vibe of Joakim and Gasol. That combo never worked and never could.

Now mind you, I didnt say the team was trash. Its certainly not. It just has to play to his optimal level. What they are hoping for is another coach can crack the code and bring them to a true title contender. But if they come out of the gate slow next year or still have the same problems, I think then we will see a big influx of trade rumors for Ben and Embiid.

If I were the Bulls I would go hard for Ben. I Know he cant or does shoot jumpers, but he is such a unique talent that you cannot match up with him. Too big for the guards, too quick for the bigs. I just really think you could build a beautiful team around him.

I liked the acquisition of Jimmy too. The guy I would have gone after was a small ball 4 like Gallo with that money and kept Reddick too. Then you'd just be looking for a PG but you would have had some good shooting around your big 3.

I never got putting all your eggs in one basket for Harris. He'd been passed around the league and no one wanted to keep him. And then they give him the max. And as you said, double down with Hortford.