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[musiqsoulchild]

Details are sketchy, but I heard it was a pro-police protester who got killed.

The sad thing is that doesnt change the reality of what I wrote.

That Trump is actively doing this.

That’s just nonsense . Your making that up cause you hate Trump.If anyone is actively encouraging violence it’s the democrats. Not once did they condemn the looting, the crime or the madness blm supporters have caused. During their convention they didn’t even mention anything, like nothing happened or is going on lol. Democrats want the chaos right now, they are trying to use that and the black community in order to win an election. Such a dirty game they are playing. This is one of the reasons Trump will get re elected.

I dont care if he gets re-elected.

I care that you step outside the echo chamber.

Trump has actively stoked the racial divide ever since Charlottesville 2years ago.

Just yesterday he tweeted a completely false video attributing BLM to a subway attack.

The guy will do anything to get re-elected.

[johnnyvann840]

Now in Portland, another killing. This time not by Militia but by Trump supporters.

So, yeah, this is it.

Trump is actively encouraging this. It's his only chance to win and take focus away from Covid, the economy and his own stoking of the racial divide.

Well, this is actually completely false. The person killed was part of a pro Trump caravan reportedly killed during an altercation with BLM protesters.

[musiqsoulchild]

Now in Portland, another killing. This time not by Militia but by Trump supporters.

So, yeah, this is it.

Trump is actively encouraging this. It's his only chance to win and take focus away from Covid, the economy and his own stoking of the racial divide.

Well, this is actually completely false. The person killed was part of a pro Trump caravan reportedly killed during an altercation with BLM protesters.

I actually acknowledged that in the next post itself.

I still hold Trump accountable. He is the one stoking all of this.

It's his only chance to win.

[Red Larrivee]

That’s just nonsense . Your making that up cause you hate Trump.If anyone is actively encouraging violence it’s the democrats. Not once did they condemn the looting, the crime or the madness blm supporters have caused. During their convention they didn’t even mention anything, like nothing happened or is going on lol. Democrats want the chaos right now, they are trying to use that and the black community in order to win an election. Such a dirty game they are playing. This is one of the reasons Trump will get re elected.

Donald Trump increases the likelihood of racial violence because he refuses to empathize with minorities, racial injustice, and systemic racism. Instead, Trump normalizes racism, division, and hate by assuring his base that there's nothing wrong with how they think and act. They are taking cues from Trump: The "send her back" chants, "very fine people on both sides", retweeting the video of a Trump supporter saying "White Power", calling black players kneeling for the anthem "sons of bitches", refusing to condemn the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, and a laundry list of other incidents.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who had to be nudged multiple times to condemn the KKK as a presidential candidate.

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who wanted the death penalty for the Central Park 5 and to this day refuses to walk back his comments after their exoneration.

Pretending that Trump is not playing a primary or significant role in the racial violence in this country is absolutely laughable. There has never been a President who's caused this much division among people in modern times. He ran his campaign on it.

Democrats talked about the protests and riots at the convention. Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently encouraged people to protest peacefully, but do you know what they made a bigger conversation about? Why the protests and riots have happened.


Too many people are pointing to the violence with the desire to squarely converse on it; but, I'll refer you to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "The Other America" speech on why doing that is irresponsible.

Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

This is why people are upset about Trump. He only condemns the effect and refuses to take steps to resolve the cause. Democrats are doing both and that's why this country will be in much better hands with Biden. Riots and looting are bad, but keep that same energy with the black lives that are gone because of bad law enforcement. If you're not going to, then it's very clear what you unfortunately support.

This isn't about law and order, because if it was, Trump is the last person qualified to talk about it. He consistently breaks the law and bends the Constitution in any way he sees fit. And there's damn sure no order in this country.

This is about PEOPLE; this is about black lives; this is about making progress to end systemic racism that has oppressed black people for way too long in this country. We are sick and tired of it, and if the government isn't going to invest into black people, then these protests and riots are never going to end.

[johnnyvann840]

That’s just nonsense . Your making that up cause you hate Trump.If anyone is actively encouraging violence it’s the democrats. Not once did they condemn the looting, the crime or the madness blm supporters have caused. During their convention they didn’t even mention anything, like nothing happened or is going on lol. Democrats want the chaos right now, they are trying to use that and the black community in order to win an election. Such a dirty game they are playing. This is one of the reasons Trump will get re elected.

Donald Trump increases the likelihood of racial violence because he refuses to empathize with minorities, racial injustice, and systemic racism. Instead, Trump normalizes racism, division, and hate by assuring his base that there's nothing wrong with how they think and act. They are taking cues from Trump: The "send her back" chants, "very fine people on both sides", retweeting the video of a Trump supporter saying "White Power", calling black players kneeling for the anthem "sons of bitches", refusing to condemn the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, and a laundry list of other incidents.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who had to be nudged multiple times to condemn the KKK as a presidential candidate.

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who wanted the death penalty for the Central Park 5 and to this day refuses to walk back his comments after their exoneration.

Pretending that Trump is not playing a primary or significant role in the racial violence in this country is absolutely laughable. There has never been a President who's caused this much division among people in modern times. He ran his campaign on it.

Democrats talked about the protests and riots at the convention. Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently encouraged people to protest peacefully, but do you know what they made a bigger conversation about? Why the protests and riots have happened.


Too many people are pointing to the violence with the desire to squarely converse on it; but, I'll refer you to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "The Other America" speech on why doing that is irresponsible.

Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

This is why people are upset about Trump. He only condemns the effect and refuses to take steps to resolve the cause. Democrats are doing both and that's why this country will be in much better hands with Biden. Riots and looting are bad, but keep that same energy with the black lives that are gone because of bad law enforcement. If you're not going to, then it's very clear what you unfortunately support.

This isn't about law and order, because if it was, Trump is the last person qualified to talk about it. He consistently breaks the law and bends the Constitution in any way he sees fit. And there's damn sure no order in this country.

This is about PEOPLE; this is about black lives; this is about making progress to end systemic racism that has oppressed black people for way too long in this country. We are sick and tired of it, and if the government isn't going to invest into black people, then these protests and riots are never going to end.

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/31/trumps-approval-rating-black-voters-soars-60-durin/

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[MrSparkle]

That’s just nonsense . Your making that up cause you hate Trump.If anyone is actively encouraging violence it’s the democrats. Not once did they condemn the looting, the crime or the madness blm supporters have caused. During their convention they didn’t even mention anything, like nothing happened or is going on lol. Democrats want the chaos right now, they are trying to use that and the black community in order to win an election. Such a dirty game they are playing. This is one of the reasons Trump will get re elected.

Donald Trump increases the likelihood of racial violence because he refuses to empathize with minorities, racial injustice, and systemic racism. Instead, Trump normalizes racism, division, and hate by assuring his base that there's nothing wrong with how they think and act. They are taking cues from Trump: The "send her back" chants, "very fine people on both sides", retweeting the video of a Trump supporter saying "White Power", calling black players kneeling for the anthem "sons of bitches", refusing to condemn the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, and a laundry list of other incidents.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who had to be nudged multiple times to condemn the KKK as a presidential candidate.

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who wanted the death penalty for the Central Park 5 and to this day refuses to walk back his comments after their exoneration.

Pretending that Trump is not playing a primary or significant role in the racial violence in this country is absolutely laughable. There has never been a President who's caused this much division among people in modern times. He ran his campaign on it.

Democrats talked about the protests and riots at the convention. Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently encouraged people to protest peacefully, but do you know what they made a bigger conversation about? Why the protests and riots have happened.


Too many people are pointing to the violence with the desire to squarely converse on it; but, I'll refer you to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "The Other America" speech on why doing that is irresponsible.

Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

This is why people are upset about Trump. He only condemns the effect and refuses to take steps to resolve the cause. Democrats are doing both and that's why this country will be in much better hands with Biden. Riots and looting are bad, but keep that same energy with the black lives that are gone because of bad law enforcement. If you're not going to, then it's very clear what you unfortunately support.

This isn't about law and order, because if it was, Trump is the last person qualified to talk about it. He consistently breaks the law and bends the Constitution in any way he sees fit. And there's damn sure no order in this country.

This is about PEOPLE; this is about black lives; this is about making progress to end systemic racism that has oppressed black people for way too long in this country. We are sick and tired of it, and if the government isn't going to invest into black people, then these protests and riots are never going to end.

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).

Biden/Harris are in a tough place. They're barely hanging onto the progressive/Bernie/black voting bases; or rather, failing to get them to get enthusiastic about turning out.

Hypothetically, if Biden/Kamala denounce the looting, what comes of it? First off, picking apart between the looters amongst the peaceful protesters (majority) is like shooting fish in a barrel. And for a lot of peaceful protestors, they feel they're doing the right thing, and a lot of hope lies in this young voter turnout. Second, Biden has no authority to engage the looting right now. He's not governing; he's trying to win an election.

So really, his words would have no empirical effect. So pick the poison; is he going to keep appeasing deeper into the moderate-conservative voter base, or is he trying to hang onto more radical/progressive voters? He essentially is treading water, which IMO is the right thing to do. He denounced the actions in Kenosha the other day. So it's there in quotes if you want it; he just hasn't been tweeting bombastic statements the night of.

There is no reason for any rationale voter to possibly think that Biden and Kamala, based on their political track records, excuse looting in any way, shape or form. They are literally the Law & Order candidates of the Democratic party.

IMO the reason Trump's black voter base may appear to gain momentum is because QAnon conspiracy theories are circulating amongst them.I keep seeing them amongst my black FB-friends' posts. Fauci, Hydrocholoriquine, 5G, Clintons, flat-earth. This social media information age is a mess. Honestly, anybody who posts QAnon nonsense on my FB feed, I was engaging for a long time, but have given up and gone to denouncing and blocking or hiding their posts. I've blocked atleast 100 people this summer who I either know personally quite well or have 1 degree of separation. Sure 2k FB-friends are a small sample size, but nevertheless - that's like 5% I had to block? Quite alarming IMO.

[johnnyvann840]

Donald Trump increases the likelihood of racial violence because he refuses to empathize with minorities, racial injustice, and systemic racism. Instead, Trump normalizes racism, division, and hate by assuring his base that there's nothing wrong with how they think and act. They are taking cues from Trump: The "send her back" chants, "very fine people on both sides", retweeting the video of a Trump supporter saying "White Power", calling black players kneeling for the anthem "sons of bitches", refusing to condemn the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse, and a laundry list of other incidents.

Keep in mind this is the same guy who had to be nudged multiple times to condemn the KKK as a presidential candidate.

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who wanted the death penalty for the Central Park 5 and to this day refuses to walk back his comments after their exoneration.

Pretending that Trump is not playing a primary or significant role in the racial violence in this country is absolutely laughable. There has never been a President who's caused this much division among people in modern times. He ran his campaign on it.

Democrats talked about the protests and riots at the convention. Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently encouraged people to protest peacefully, but do you know what they made a bigger conversation about? Why the protests and riots have happened.


Too many people are pointing to the violence with the desire to squarely converse on it; but, I'll refer you to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "The Other America" speech on why doing that is irresponsible.



This is why people are upset about Trump. He only condemns the effect and refuses to take steps to resolve the cause. Democrats are doing both and that's why this country will be in much better hands with Biden. Riots and looting are bad, but keep that same energy with the black lives that are gone because of bad law enforcement. If you're not going to, then it's very clear what you unfortunately support.

This isn't about law and order, because if it was, Trump is the last person qualified to talk about it. He consistently breaks the law and bends the Constitution in any way he sees fit. And there's damn sure no order in this country.

This is about PEOPLE; this is about black lives; this is about making progress to end systemic racism that has oppressed black people for way too long in this country. We are sick and tired of it, and if the government isn't going to invest into black people, then these protests and riots are never going to end.

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).

Biden/Harris are in a tough place. They're barely hanging onto the progressive/Bernie/black voting bases; or rather, failing to get them to get enthusiastic about turning out.

Hypothetically, if Biden/Kamala denounce the looting, what comes of it? First off, picking apart between the looters amongst the peaceful protesters (majority) is like shooting fish in a barrel. And for a lot of peaceful protestors, they feel they're doing the right thing, and a lot of hope lies in this young voter turnout. Second, Biden has no authority to engage the looting right now. He's not governing; he's trying to win an election.

So really, his words would have no empirical effect. So pick the poison; is he going to keep appeasing deeper into the moderate-conservative voter base, or is he trying to hang onto more radical/progressive voters? He essentially is treading water, which IMO is the right thing to do. He denounced the actions in Kenosha the other day. So it's there in quotes if you want it; he just hasn't been tweeting bombastic statements the night of.

There is no reason for any rationale voter to possibly think that Biden and Kamala, based on their political track records, excuse looting in any way, shape or form. They are literally the Law & Order candidates of the Democratic party.

IMO the reason Trump's black voter base may appear to gain momentum is because QAnon conspiracy theories are circulating amongst them.I keep seeing them amongst my black FB-friends' posts. Fauci, Hydrocholoriquine, 5G, Clintons, flat-earth. This social media information age is a mess. Honestly, anybody who posts QAnon nonsense on my FB feed, I was engaging for a long time, but have given up and gone to denouncing and blocking or hiding their posts. I've blocked atleast 100 people this summer who I either know personally quite well or have 1 degree of separation. Sure 2k FB-friends are a small sample size, but nevertheless - that's like 5% I had to block? Quite alarming IMO.

It's unbelievable how many people are buying into some of the QAnon nonsense circulating out there. I have friends that I won't even speak to right now because they are spewing this nonsense. I had somebody send me a link to the Plandemic 2, follow up to the Plandemic video, with a note saying that "this is worth watching". I told him it was total BS and we got into a big argument over it. This is somebody I've known for many years who is well educated and successful who actually believes that the Clinton Foundation and Bill and Melinda Gates are part of this huge conspiracy with the pandemic. He also thinks that there is some truth to "Pizzagate" and that some big names in Hollywood are about to be "exposed" for their roles in a huge pedophile ring. I thought he was joking about it but he is dead serious. His wife, who I've always had the utmost respect for, even believes some of this stuff. I thought they were putting me on but they were serious.

[johnnyvann840]

Right on queue.. Biden comes out today big against the looting and rioting.

Do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for rioters? Really?

What he said was perfect and at the perfect time. Well done. He was impressive today. That's the way he needs to be down the stretch here.

[detlef_schrempf]

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).

Biden/Harris are in a tough place. They're barely hanging onto the progressive/Bernie/black voting bases; or rather, failing to get them to get enthusiastic about turning out.

Hypothetically, if Biden/Kamala denounce the looting, what comes of it? First off, picking apart between the looters amongst the peaceful protesters (majority) is like shooting fish in a barrel. And for a lot of peaceful protestors, they feel they're doing the right thing, and a lot of hope lies in this young voter turnout. Second, Biden has no authority to engage the looting right now. He's not governing; he's trying to win an election.

So really, his words would have no empirical effect. So pick the poison; is he going to keep appeasing deeper into the moderate-conservative voter base, or is he trying to hang onto more radical/progressive voters? He essentially is treading water, which IMO is the right thing to do. He denounced the actions in Kenosha the other day. So it's there in quotes if you want it; he just hasn't been tweeting bombastic statements the night of.

There is no reason for any rationale voter to possibly think that Biden and Kamala, based on their political track records, excuse looting in any way, shape or form. They are literally the Law & Order candidates of the Democratic party.

IMO the reason Trump's black voter base may appear to gain momentum is because QAnon conspiracy theories are circulating amongst them.I keep seeing them amongst my black FB-friends' posts. Fauci, Hydrocholoriquine, 5G, Clintons, flat-earth. This social media information age is a mess. Honestly, anybody who posts QAnon nonsense on my FB feed, I was engaging for a long time, but have given up and gone to denouncing and blocking or hiding their posts. I've blocked atleast 100 people this summer who I either know personally quite well or have 1 degree of separation. Sure 2k FB-friends are a small sample size, but nevertheless - that's like 5% I had to block? Quite alarming IMO.

It's unbelievable how many people are buying into some of the QAnon nonsense circulating out there. I have friends that I won't even speak to right now because they are spewing this nonsense. I had somebody send me a link to the Plandemic 2, follow up to the Plandemic video, with a note saying that "this is worth watching". I told him it was total BS and we got into a big argument over it. This is somebody I've known for many years who is well educated and successful who actually believes that the Clinton Foundation and Bill and Melinda Gates are part of this huge conspiracy with the pandemic. He also thinks that there is some truth to "Pizzagate" and that some big names in Hollywood are about to be "exposed" for their roles in a huge pedophile ring. I thought he was joking about it but he is dead serious. His wife, who I've always had the utmost respect for, even believes some of this stuff. I thought they were putting me on but they were serious.

I’ve ended friendships over this. And I don’t miss them.

[musiqsoulchild]

Biden/Harris are in a tough place. They're barely hanging onto the progressive/Bernie/black voting bases; or rather, failing to get them to get enthusiastic about turning out.

Hypothetically, if Biden/Kamala denounce the looting, what comes of it? First off, picking apart between the looters amongst the peaceful protesters (majority) is like shooting fish in a barrel. And for a lot of peaceful protestors, they feel they're doing the right thing, and a lot of hope lies in this young voter turnout. Second, Biden has no authority to engage the looting right now. He's not governing; he's trying to win an election.

So really, his words would have no empirical effect. So pick the poison; is he going to keep appeasing deeper into the moderate-conservative voter base, or is he trying to hang onto more radical/progressive voters? He essentially is treading water, which IMO is the right thing to do. He denounced the actions in Kenosha the other day. So it's there in quotes if you want it; he just hasn't been tweeting bombastic statements the night of.

There is no reason for any rationale voter to possibly think that Biden and Kamala, based on their political track records, excuse looting in any way, shape or form. They are literally the Law & Order candidates of the Democratic party.

IMO the reason Trump's black voter base may appear to gain momentum is because QAnon conspiracy theories are circulating amongst them.I keep seeing them amongst my black FB-friends' posts. Fauci, Hydrocholoriquine, 5G, Clintons, flat-earth. This social media information age is a mess. Honestly, anybody who posts QAnon nonsense on my FB feed, I was engaging for a long time, but have given up and gone to denouncing and blocking or hiding their posts. I've blocked atleast 100 people this summer who I either know personally quite well or have 1 degree of separation. Sure 2k FB-friends are a small sample size, but nevertheless - that's like 5% I had to block? Quite alarming IMO.

It's unbelievable how many people are buying into some of the QAnon nonsense circulating out there. I have friends that I won't even speak to right now because they are spewing this nonsense. I had somebody send me a link to the Plandemic 2, follow up to the Plandemic video, with a note saying that "this is worth watching". I told him it was total BS and we got into a big argument over it. This is somebody I've known for many years who is well educated and successful who actually believes that the Clinton Foundation and Bill and Melinda Gates are part of this huge conspiracy with the pandemic. He also thinks that there is some truth to "Pizzagate" and that some big names in Hollywood are about to be "exposed" for their roles in a huge pedophile ring. I thought he was joking about it but he is dead serious. His wife, who I've always had the utmost respect for, even believes some of this stuff. I thought they were putting me on but they were serious.

I’ve ended friendships over this. And I don’t miss them.

I am proud of you for doing that. Its not easy.

At work, people know exactly where I stand.

Is it uncomfortable? Sure.
Total Fhucks given? Zero

[dougthonus]

I read something interesting this morning from a New York Times summary email:

“We are locked in a cold civil war,” the journalist Anand Giridharadas writes in his new newsletter, The.Ink.

The U.S. has become “two countries impermeable to each other,” where each side thinks the other presents an existential threat to the idea of America and where persuasion is all but impossible, Giridharadas writes.

I've never heard the phrase a "cold civil war" before, but I agree, that's where we are at. The article was written by a left-wing guy, but I think it feels just as true if you're right-wing. People are moving away from moderate opinions and taking more extreme opinions as each side ramps up.

[musiqsoulchild]

I read something interesting this morning from a New York Times summary email:

“We are locked in a cold civil war,” the journalist Anand Giridharadas writes in his new newsletter, The.Ink.

The U.S. has become “two countries impermeable to each other,” where each side thinks the other presents an existential threat to the idea of America and where persuasion is all but impossible, Giridharadas writes.

I've never heard the phrase a "cold civil war" before, but I agree, that's where we are at. The article was written by a left-wing guy, but I think it feels just as true if you're right-wing. People are moving away from moderate opinions and taking more extreme opinions as each side ramps up.

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

[dougthonus]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

[musiqsoulchild]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

All we can do is measure the RATE of Change.

The Republican party has been with the Tea Party folks since 2010. That's 10 years.

Now they have firmly and fully incorporated the 15-20 percent of the country that are perfectly fine in a race war.

For crying out loud, the LAST 3 candidates remaining in the Republican primaries in 2016 were:

Donald Trump ( KKK, Alt Right, Qanon, White supremacist hero)
Ted Cruz ( Tea Party darling)
John Kasich ( Center Right - voting for Biden in 2020)

Trunp went RIGHT of Ted Cruz...he went RIGHT of Tea Party, Texas loving Ted Cruz. And that's how he won the nomination in 2016.

The Democratic party on the other hand has kept the Left at bay. Biden and Hilllary are reviled by the extreme Left. Bernie Bots basically cost Hillary the election.

Neither Biden now or Hillary in the past, went to the Left of Bernie to win their nomination. Infact, they moved further to the Center to win the nominations.

I mean look at the tickets:

Obama - Biden
Hillary - Kaine
Biden - Harris

Harris is the left most of the 5 people mentioned above. And shes considered too Centrist in California.

Its crucial that we dont see the small movement to the left as somehow equal to the large shift in the Right.

A not insignificant part of the Republican base firmly believes that prominent Democratic leaders eat babies and have sex with children.

The extreme Left's crazies ask for a complete dismantling of Capitalism. That's at least ideological. You can work in policy to bring them into the fold of the country.

You can't bring in people who dont want to participate in a diverse America. Where sweet baby Jesus is the only God. And the slavers were responsible for the success of America. That's not idealogical....that's perverse.

[Susan]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

By what measure?

Banning fracking?
Pushing for universal healthcare?
Pushing for UBI?
Pushing for a green new deal?

Biden's platform is essentially "I'm not Trump" and while it was enough to "win" the primaries, he's done a **** job of speaking to the problems that current. American's are facing and how Trump's response to this pandemic from an econmic standpoint has been woefully short.

People are hurting BAD right now, neither candidate is willing to speak to that and because of it, Biden's going to lose to Trump. This is a freaking nightmare scenario which oddly enough was similar to our 2016 nightmare scenario.

[musiqsoulchild]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

By what measure?

Banning fracking?
Pushing for universal healthcare?
Pushing for UBI?
Pushing for a green new deal?

Biden's platform is essentially "I'm not Trump" and while it was enough to "win" the primaries, he's done a **** job of speaking to the problems that current. American's are facing and how Trump's response to this pandemic from an econmic standpoint has been woefully short.

People are hurting BAD right now, neither candidate is willing to speak to that and because of it, Biden's going to lose to Trump. This is a freaking nightmare scenario which oddly enough was similar to our 2016 nightmare scenario.

Biden will not lose.

The map has changed.

Wi, Mi and PA arent as crucial anymore. He needs only 2 of 3 now.

NC, Az are in play. One of them switches and its Bye Bye Trump.

[MrSparkle]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

IMO in America, while college students make the most noise about socialism, they’ve traditionally just been noise, with low voter turnout, and eventually becoming quite conservative or moderate as they settle down.

The progressives in office are a loud minority. A few representatives and a long-time senator who traditionally was Independent... really don’t swing the pendulum majorly. Most the nominees were strong moderates (Buttigieg besides for being gay, Klochubar, Bloomberg, Booker, Steyer, Delaney, Biden/Kamala). Warren is progressive but she wouldn’t even acknowledge Bernie‘S chances in the last primary.

Leaving progressive outsiders Tulsi who has turned somewhat moderate (who basically nuked her relationship with the Dem. party) and Yang, who personally I think is most in line with what the future of both parties should be - somebody more aware of where tech, economy and climate are, and thinking of solutions. He got less than 1% of primary votes.

But I agree with musiq. At this point, I’m willing to support moderates to just end the bickering. The GOP needs to move away from the Tea-Trump-QAnon madness. I hope the end result isn’t a Kasich DNC nomination vs Trump GOP in 2024... but right now, I am open arms about moderate GOP voting Biden. I hope they re-take the GOP though.

AOC is a media darling but she is 1 of many reps in NYC. I think she’s a perfect example of exaggerating the direction of the party - there are zero representatives like her outside of NYC, and there won’t be any outside of the biggest liberal cities, let alone in the South, where the Democrats are and will continue being right-of-center.

[League Circles]

I read something interesting this morning from a New York Times summary email:

“We are locked in a cold civil war,” the journalist Anand Giridharadas writes in his new newsletter, The.Ink.

The U.S. has become “two countries impermeable to each other,” where each side thinks the other presents an existential threat to the idea of America and where persuasion is all but impossible, Giridharadas writes.

I've never heard the phrase a "cold civil war" before, but I agree, that's where we are at. The article was written by a left-wing guy, but I think it feels just as true if you're right-wing. People are moving away from moderate opinions and taking more extreme opinions as each side ramps up.

Idk, I think that's what we feel from the loud voices on social media. Most of the country is neither left nor right and isn't interested in a cold civil war IMO.

[League Circles]

Trump isn't very right, policy wise, at all. Socially he is, and is a huge POS.

Biden may have been moderate for much of his career, but look at his website. A nice little identity politics section for every group imaginable and what his vision is for them, including "women", "catholics", "jews", "pacific islanders", and of course two for " blacks" (unclear if he did that on accident or intentionally lol).

Meanwhile, ZERO words about a catastrophic issue he used to care about once upon a time - our overwhelming national debt and debt based budget and economy. Zero words. That's not moderate. Hell half of the people on the "right" are only there because of their views on monetary policy.

[Susan]

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

By what measure?

Banning fracking?
Pushing for universal healthcare?
Pushing for UBI?
Pushing for a green new deal?

Biden's platform is essentially "I'm not Trump" and while it was enough to "win" the primaries, he's done a **** job of speaking to the problems that current. American's are facing and how Trump's response to this pandemic from an econmic standpoint has been woefully short.

People are hurting BAD right now, neither candidate is willing to speak to that and because of it, Biden's going to lose to Trump. This is a freaking nightmare scenario which oddly enough was similar to our 2016 nightmare scenario.

Biden will not lose.

The map has changed.

Wi, Mi and PA arent as crucial anymore. He needs only 2 of 3 now.

NC, Az are in play. One of them switches and its Bye Bye Trump.

Biden has ran an extremely unimpressive campaign thus far. He was dead in the water in January/February but got saved by the establishment when it appeared Bernie was going to win. Getting Clyborn/SC then having EVERYONE drop out sans Warren to win on super Tuesday was impressive enough to successfully kneecap Bernie but legitimately that was his only bullet.

He's woefully out of touch with the issues that people under 40 are facing and the wait in the basement approach worked for a minute but now the heat is getting turned up and from what I've seen, Biden doesn't have it in him to meet the moment.

Blame young people all you want, they've gotten the shortest end of the stick during this pandemic ecconomocly and currently nobody is speaking to that. I don't have the tweet in front of me but something like 25% of people under 30 have considered suicide in the past month. That's not normal dude.