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[Susan]

This is where the country is at Doug. Sad as it is.

That's why I am a 100 percent behind Biden. My vote isnt just anti-Trump.

Its pro-moderate.

Biden is certainly more moderate than Trump, but the democratic party is a whole is absolutely moving more left.

IMO in America, while college students make the most noise about socialism, they’ve traditionally just been noise, with low voter turnout, and eventually becoming quite conservative or moderate as they settle down.

The progressives in office are a loud minority. A few representatives and a long-time senator who traditionally was Independent... really don’t swing the pendulum majorly. Most the nominees were strong moderates (Buttigieg besides for being gay, Klochubar, Bloomberg, Booker, Steyer, Delaney, Biden/Kamala). Warren is progressive but she wouldn’t even acknowledge Bernie‘S chances in the last primary.

Leaving progressive outsiders Tulsi who has turned somewhat moderate (who basically nuked her relationship with the Dem. party) and Yang, who personally I think is most in line with what the future of both parties should be - somebody more aware of where tech, economy and climate are, and thinking of solutions. He got less than 1% of primary votes.

But I agree with musiq. At this point, I’m willing to support moderates to just end the bickering. The GOP needs to move away from the Tea-Trump-QAnon madness. I hope the end result isn’t a Kasich DNC nomination vs Trump GOP in 2024... but right now, I am open arms about moderate GOP voting Biden. I hope they re-take the GOP though.

AOC is a media darling but she is 1 of many reps in NYC. I think she’s a perfect example of exaggerating the direction of the party - there are zero representatives like her outside of NYC, and there won’t be any outside of the biggest liberal cities, let alone in the South, where the Democrats are and will continue being right-of-center.

Saw a tweet from a recent poll that said 5% of people who identify as Republican are polling for Biden, HRC had roughly 7%, Obama 10% or so.

You're off base on AOC btw, I think you guys are way off base on what Millennials and Zoomers want and stand for.

[dougthonus]

Biden will not lose.

The map has changed.

Wi, Mi and PA arent as crucial anymore. He needs only 2 of 3 now.

NC, Az are in play. One of them switches and its Bye Bye Trump.

We will see how it goes, but I'd be surprised if Trump lost.

[dougthonus]

Idk, I think that's what we feel from the loud voices on social media. Most of the country is neither left nor right and isn't interested in a cold civil war IMO.

Whether that is most of the country or not, I don't know. I know from conversations I have and from what I read, people seem to be much wider apart than in the past. I don't think people are "interested" in a cold civil war, like there's no one out there saying "let's have a cold civil war", but people are behaving that way.

[dougthonus]

Blame young people all you want, they've gotten the shortest end of the stick during this pandemic ecconomocly and currently nobody is speaking to that. I don't have the tweet in front of me but something like 25% of people under 30 have considered suicide in the past month. That's not normal dude.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/are-suicides-on-the-rise-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

Probably this or an updated version of this?

[johnnyvann840]

By what measure?

Banning fracking?
Pushing for universal healthcare?
Pushing for UBI?
Pushing for a green new deal?

Biden's platform is essentially "I'm not Trump" and while it was enough to "win" the primaries, he's done a **** job of speaking to the problems that current. American's are facing and how Trump's response to this pandemic from an econmic standpoint has been woefully short.

People are hurting BAD right now, neither candidate is willing to speak to that and because of it, Biden's going to lose to Trump. This is a freaking nightmare scenario which oddly enough was similar to our 2016 nightmare scenario.

Biden will not lose.

The map has changed.

Wi, Mi and PA arent as crucial anymore. He needs only 2 of 3 now.

NC, Az are in play. One of them switches and its Bye Bye Trump.

Biden has ran an extremely unimpressive campaign thus far. He was dead in the water in January/February but got saved by the establishment when it appeared Bernie was going to win. Getting Clyborn/SC then having EVERYONE drop out sans Warren to win on super Tuesday was impressive enough to successfully kneecap Bernie but legitimately that was his only bullet.

He's woefully out of touch with the issues that people under 40 are facing and the wait in the basement approach worked for a minute but now the heat is getting turned up and from what I've seen, Biden doesn't have it in him to meet the moment.

Blame young people all you want, they've gotten the shortest end of the stick during this pandemic ecconomocly and currently nobody is speaking to that. I don't have the tweet in front of me but something like 25% of people under 30 have considered suicide in the past month. That's not normal dude.

I saw this and it is alarming. However, it was 25% of people between the ages of 18-24, not under 30. But, no, this is certainly not normal and really scary. Easy to understand how hopelessness can set in at a time like this, though. I can't even imagine graduating from college and facing what's out there currently from employment opportunities to the "new normal" when it comes to social activities. I have a 16 year old niece and I feel terrible for her, seeing her sit in front of her computer all day "in classes" and call it her junior year of high school. Her soccer leagues are still basically shut down and her social life consists almost exclusively of on line activity. It's just so depressing I can understand how young people can get easily discouraged in life right now. Also, so many households are under financial pressure and that is something kids can feel from their parents.

Here's the article I saw about the suicidal thoughts..

https://qz.com/1892349/cdc-depression-and-anxiety-rises-for-us-adults-since-covid-19/

[Susan]

Biden will not lose.

The map has changed.

Wi, Mi and PA arent as crucial anymore. He needs only 2 of 3 now.

NC, Az are in play. One of them switches and its Bye Bye Trump.

Biden has ran an extremely unimpressive campaign thus far. He was dead in the water in January/February but got saved by the establishment when it appeared Bernie was going to win. Getting Clyborn/SC then having EVERYONE drop out sans Warren to win on super Tuesday was impressive enough to successfully kneecap Bernie but legitimately that was his only bullet.

He's woefully out of touch with the issues that people under 40 are facing and the wait in the basement approach worked for a minute but now the heat is getting turned up and from what I've seen, Biden doesn't have it in him to meet the moment.

Blame young people all you want, they've gotten the shortest end of the stick during this pandemic ecconomocly and currently nobody is speaking to that. I don't have the tweet in front of me but something like 25% of people under 30 have considered suicide in the past month. That's not normal dude.

I saw this and it is alarming. However, it was 25% of people between the ages of 18-24, not under 30. But, no, this is certainly not normal and really scary. Easy to understand how hopelessness can set in at a time like this, though. I can't even imagine graduating from college and facing what's out there currently from employment opportunities to the "new normal" when it comes to social activities. I have a 16 year old niece and I feel terrible for her, seeing her sit in front of her computer all day "in classes" and call it her junior year of high school. Her soccer leagues are still basically shut down and her social life consists almost exclusively of on line activity. It's just so depressing I can understand how young people can get easily discouraged in life right now. Also, so many households are under financial pressure and that is something kids can feel from their parents.

Here's the article I saw about the suicidal thoughts..

https://qz.com/1892349/cdc-depression-and-anxiety-rises-for-us-adults-since-covid-19/

Think about the economy over the past 12 years. The 2008 collapse hit the youngest the hardest when you take into account the job market. My generation (I'm 33) has been through the ringer while trying to establish ourselves and ****, the Zommers have it even worse.

I have the feeling that a lot of you guys are Gen Xers + a little older. I honestly don't want to get super into it because this **** is depressing to talk about. I'm fortunate to have a ton of ability, an able body and white skin + I saw that this game is rigged early on so I'm hopefully going to be able navigate this BS but I've been through the freaking ringer during the past 6 months.

[Red Larrivee]

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/31/trumps-approval-rating-black-voters-soars-60-durin/

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First, the woman you posted is just repeating the talking points that other black Republicans like Tim Scott and Candace Owens voice about Trump and Democrats. Nobody with brain cells is buying it, because these politicians aren't notable or significant voices in black culture or the community. I agree that being black shouldn't mean you are automatically a Democrat, but I couldn't channel the energy or logic on my worst day to believe that Donald Trump gives two **** about black people or our culture. All of them can kick rocks.

It would be irresponsible to talk about the riots and looting more than the cause. Riots and looting don't appear out of thin air. People are tired of injustice, racism, and the government not empathizing with their pain, misery, and struggle. Nobody wants to hear people show more urgency for businesses and buidings than actual human lives. The rich part is that Trump does not condemn the violence of his supporters. It's only the "radical left" and the "thugs," which couldn't be more of a dog whistle.

This isn't a chicken or the egg thing. If you commit to progress to end racial injustice and systemic racism, then there will be less protests, riots, and looting. If you don't, then it's going to keep happening, because it's clear that the system is broken and doesn't protect us.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/31/trumps-approval-rating-black-voters-soars-60-durin/

Watch on YouTube

First, the woman you posted is just repeating the talking points that other black Republicans like Tim Scott and Candace Owens voice about Trump and Democrats. Nobody with brain cells is buying it, because these politicians aren't notable or significant voices in black culture or the community. I agree that being black shouldn't mean you are automatically a Democrat, but I couldn't channel the energy or logic on my worst day to believe that Donald Trump gives two **** about black people or our culture. All of them can kick rocks.

It would be irresponsible to talk about the riots and looting more than the cause. Riots and looting don't appear out of thin air. People are tired of injustice, racism, and the government not empathizing with their pain, misery, and struggle. Nobody wants to hear people show more urgency for businesses and buidings than actual human lives. The rich part is that Trump does not condemn the violence of his supporters. It's only the "radical left" and the "thugs," which couldn't be more of a dog whistle.

This isn't a chicken or the egg thing. If you commit to progress to end racial injustice and systemic racism, then there will be less protests, riots, and looting. If you don't, then it's going to keep happening, because it's clear that the system is broken and doesn't protect us.

If I could salute a post...

[Chi town]

Great post. Although, I think Red8911 is right about the Democrats not saying enough to denounce the looting and violence. When that woman from BLM in Chicago went on her rant about it being OK to loot and destroy businesses she should have been denounced immediately. It's not OK. I don't believe the vast majority of Americans, black or white or brown or whatever believe that it's OK. The democrats need to be very careful here because Trump's approval among black voters just soared 60% in the last week and republican candidates like Kimberly Klacik for congress in Baltimore are gaining popularity (her campaign ad is going viral).


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/31/trumps-approval-rating-black-voters-soars-60-durin/

Watch on YouTube

First, the woman you posted is just repeating the talking points that other black Republicans like Tim Scott and Candace Owens voice about Trump and Democrats. Nobody with brain cells is buying it, because these politicians aren't notable or significant voices in black culture or the community. I agree that being black shouldn't mean you are automatically a Democrat, but I couldn't channel the energy or logic on my worst day to believe that Donald Trump gives two **** about black people or our culture. All of them can kick rocks.

It would be irresponsible to talk about the riots and looting more than the cause. Riots and looting don't appear out of thin air. People are tired of injustice, racism, and the government not empathizing with their pain, misery, and struggle. Nobody wants to hear people show more urgency for businesses and buidings than actual human lives. The rich part is that Trump does not condemn the violence of his supporters. It's only the "radical left" and the "thugs," which couldn't be more of a dog whistle.

This isn't a chicken or the egg thing. If you commit to progress to end racial injustice and systemic racism, then there will be less protests, riots, and looting. If you don't, then it's going to keep happening, because it's clear that the system is broken and doesn't protect us.

Well said Red.

Trump has failed miserably in showing any empathy or compassion. He needs to name racism and demand police reform. He could do so much good to unite and heal our country but instead he just adds fuel to the fire.

What’s really sad is he knows what he’s doing and it’s intentional IMO. He knows what to do to win.

I do think Trump will win again due to Biden getting destroyed in the debates. He doesn’t have the fortitude at his age. Trump will be vicious and relentless too. I also think Trump will won with his message being safety, order, and protection namely against the looters and riots. The dems not denouncing that will hurt them in the end. I completely agree understanding why it’s happening and acknowledging it is of first importance. Not denouncing it is a mistake though.

I live in SF and I have friends that hate Trump but will vote for him now after living through how the left has led here. The booming homeless population, free drugs, half police force leaving, violence on the rise, shoot just yesterday my 94 yr old neighbor was scammed by a person posing as PG&E and going in her house and getting all her info. I’m hearing progressive leftists moving moderate and moderates saying they are voting for Trump due to need for safety and some type of order. Then there is Nancy and her ice cream and hair salon.

We are suffering from a complete leadership crisis on so many levels right now. We need elected officials that serve the people. Politicians have become rockstars with power overloads. It’s so discouraging.