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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Who are you voting for?

Donald Trump
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28%
Joe Biden
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60%
Howie Hawkins
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4%
Jo Jorgensen
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3%
Kanye West
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6%
 
Total votes: 105

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Post#421 » by Stannis » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:14 pm

GONYK wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Stannis wrote:There's this too though

Read on Twitter
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If Trump can get 20% of the black vote, I think it's over.


Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


What it actually means is that PollWatch is a Republican Twitter account (it says so in the bio), and it is cherry picking outliers to tweet out.

It isn't completely baseless. I thought Emerson is a legit poll?

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/august-2020-presidential-race-tightens-after-party-conventions

You have to download a excel spreadsheet to see the full details. But it has Black @ 22.2% approval rating and 72.9% as disapprove. Hispanic or Latino is at 37.9% approval and 55.4% disapprove.

I know approval ratings don't mean much. Didn't Trump win 2016 when his approval rating was like 35%?

What I found interesting, is that Asians seem to dislike him the most of all groups, with 17.6% approval rating an 82.4% disapproval.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#422 » by GONYK » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:19 pm

Stannis wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


What it actually means is that PollWatch is a Republican Twitter account (it says so in the bio), and it is cherry picking outliers to tweet out.

It isn't completely baseless. I thought Emerson is a legit poll?

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/august-2020-presidential-race-tightens-after-party-conventions

You have to download a excel spreadsheet to see the full details. But it has Black @ 22.2% approval rating and 72.9% as disapprove. Hispanic or Latino is at 37.9% approval and 55.4% disapprove.

I know approval ratings don't mean much. Didn't Trump win 2016 when his approval rating was like 35%?

What I found interesting, is that Asians seem to dislike him the most of all groups, with 17.6% approval rating an 82.4% disapproval.


I'm not sure you'll find another major poll that has Trump with positive approval rating. Like I said previously, Emerson's #'s have existed on a planet by themselves since the summer.
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Post#423 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 1, 2020 3:50 pm

Doom and gloom

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Post#424 » by Phish Tank » Tue Sep 1, 2020 4:25 pm

Pointgod wrote:Doom and gloom

Read on Twitter


but but but.... yard signs :lol:
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Post#425 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:42 pm

aq_ua wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Read on Twitter
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It's 10 years old, but they explain on this pollster is one of the worst:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/worst-pollster-in-world-strikes-again/

I was going to say, that is one of the strangest poll results yet, though the latest pollster ranking shows Zogby as more towards the middle of the pack.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Its corroborated by an Emerson poll that just came out that put Black Voter Trump support at 19% I believe.

If true, Biden has no shot at all.
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Post#426 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Sep 1, 2020 5:57 pm

Here's some data that matters.

STUNNING: Trump Campaign Knocks on One Million Doors a Week — Biden Camp Is Knocking on Zero

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/stunning-trump-campaign-knocks-one-million-doors-week-biden-camp-knocking-zero/

Earlier this month Politico posted a report of party outreach from Democrats and Republicans this year.
** Republicans are knocking on a million doors a week.
** Democrats are knocking on zero doors — but they are dropping off flyers.

The Republican and Democratic parties — from the presidential candidates on down — are taking polar opposite approaches to door-to-door canvassing this fall. The competing bets on the value of face-to-face campaigning during a pandemic has no modern precedent, making it a potential wild card in November, especially in close races.

Biden and the Democratic National Committee aren’t sending volunteers or staffers to talk with voters at home, and don’t anticipate doing anything more than dropping off literature unless the crisis abates. The campaign and the Democratic National Committee think they can compensate for the lack of in-person canvassing with phone calls, texts, new forms of digital organizing, and virtual meet-ups with voters.


This is a pandemic that the CDC just said has resulted in about 9,000 deaths from Covid alone. So don't send out people with preconditions ****. Democrats are really **** the bed here.
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Post#427 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:01 pm

GONYK wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Stannis wrote:There's this too though

Read on Twitter
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If Trump can get 20% of the black vote, I think it's over.


Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


What it actually means is that PollWatch is a Republican Twitter account (it says so in the bio), and it is cherry picking outliers to tweet out.


This has already been pointed out, but still people are citing that poll :noway:
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Post#428 » by Stannis » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:05 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
aq_ua wrote:
Stannis wrote:

It's 10 years old, but they explain on this pollster is one of the worst:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/worst-pollster-in-world-strikes-again/

I was going to say, that is one of the strangest poll results yet, though the latest pollster ranking shows Zogby as more towards the middle of the pack.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Its corroborated by an Emerson poll that just came out that put Black Voter Trump support at 19% I believe.

If true, Biden has no shot at all.
Well, I think it was some word play tbh. Approval rating doesn't necessarily mean they will vote for Trump over Biden.
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Post#429 » by mpharris36 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:09 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
Stannis wrote:
aq_ua wrote:I was going to say, that is one of the strangest poll results yet, though the latest pollster ranking shows Zogby as more towards the middle of the pack.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

There's this too though

Read on Twitter
?s=20

If Trump can get 20% of the black vote, I think it's over.


Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research

One reason, the authors argue, is that black employment is more sensitive to an immigration influx than white employment. For white men, an immigration boost of 10 percent caused their employment rate to fall just 0.7 percentage points; for black men, it fell 2.4 percentage points.


-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.'

Social scientists have long espoused the benefits for children who live in two-parent homes, including economic, educational, health and other advantages.


On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.
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Post#430 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:34 pm

Stannis wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
aq_ua wrote:I was going to say, that is one of the strangest poll results yet, though the latest pollster ranking shows Zogby as more towards the middle of the pack.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

Its corroborated by an Emerson poll that just came out that put Black Voter Trump support at 19% I believe.

If true, Biden has no shot at all.
Well, I think it was some word play tbh. Approval rating doesn't necessarily mean they will vote for Trump over Biden.

No, both polls are quoting who the different groups are voting for. Ateast that's what this is indicating, from the Emerson poll.

Biden leads with all minority groups, albeit by different ranges. Biden leads with Asians 76% to 11%, Blacks/African Americans 77% to 19%, and Hispanic voters break for Biden 60% to 37%. White voters break for President Trump 56% to 41%.
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Post#431 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:37 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Stannis wrote:There's this too though

Read on Twitter
?s=20

If Trump can get 20% of the black vote, I think it's over.


Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research

One reason, the authors argue, is that black employment is more sensitive to an immigration influx than white employment. For white men, an immigration boost of 10 percent caused their employment rate to fall just 0.7 percentage points; for black men, it fell 2.4 percentage points.


-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.'

Social scientists have long espoused the benefits for children who live in two-parent homes, including economic, educational, health and other advantages.


On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.

Police are a local issue. Anyone concerned with their practices should contact the appropriate authorities, which in most cases are Democrats. The left wants to make it a Republican issue but it's actually more a Democrat problem but yeah, it needs to be addressed.
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Post#432 » by GONYK » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:38 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Stannis wrote:There's this too though

Read on Twitter
?s=20

If Trump can get 20% of the black vote, I think it's over.


Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research

One reason, the authors argue, is that black employment is more sensitive to an immigration influx than white employment. For white men, an immigration boost of 10 percent caused their employment rate to fall just 0.7 percentage points; for black men, it fell 2.4 percentage points.


-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.'

Social scientists have long espoused the benefits for children who live in two-parent homes, including economic, educational, health and other advantages.


On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.


Can you elaborate on this point more?
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Post#433 » by mpharris36 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:41 pm

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research

One reason, the authors argue, is that black employment is more sensitive to an immigration influx than white employment. For white men, an immigration boost of 10 percent caused their employment rate to fall just 0.7 percentage points; for black men, it fell 2.4 percentage points.


-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.'

Social scientists have long espoused the benefits for children who live in two-parent homes, including economic, educational, health and other advantages.


On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.


Can you elaborate on this point more?





with the difficulty for me to express exactly how I would like it to come across (which is difficult via text). I think the above link was what I was referring too.
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Post#434 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:43 pm

Stannis wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Read on Twitter
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It's 10 years old, but they explain on this pollster is one of the worst:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/worst-pollster-in-world-strikes-again/

Their estimate in 2016 was exactly right, 8% of Blacks voted for Trump.
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Post#435 » by mpharris36 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:47 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Trump getting 20% of the black vote means either:

1) Around-30-40% of black men support him (if true, then damn....)
2) Black women inched closer towards supporting him (he's at like 5% with black women though)


just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research

One reason, the authors argue, is that black employment is more sensitive to an immigration influx than white employment. For white men, an immigration boost of 10 percent caused their employment rate to fall just 0.7 percentage points; for black men, it fell 2.4 percentage points.


-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:

Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.

Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.'

Social scientists have long espoused the benefits for children who live in two-parent homes, including economic, educational, health and other advantages.


On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.

Police are a local issue. Anyone concerned with their practices should contact the appropriate authorities, which in most cases are Democrats. The left wants to make it a Republican issue but it's actually more a Democrat problem but yeah, it needs to be addressed.


It is and it isn't. I agree that its a local issue in the sense unions have way too much power and this is ultimately what keeps bad cops in there jobs for longer than they should. I think a line from one union rep made a claim "that complaints are like personal fouls in basketball if you don't have any you aren't trying". I think that is simply the wrong approach. Also people running those cities are just as much to blame as well because they can locally make changes to there cities and neighborhoods.

You would also be naive to also think the right doesn't share some of this blame as well. I think the overwhelming stance on the right is that it doesn't happen that much and it doesn't effect our lives so its not the most important issue. Well let me tell you it is a major concern especially in the black community as we see with all this push in sports and the community for police reform and social justice. just ignoring the issue isn't going to work anymore and that is on both sides (especially the right) to make it known they understand, see, and hear people and are willing to make substantial change.
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Post#436 » by GONYK » Tue Sep 1, 2020 6:50 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
just speaking candidly of a few factors which I think could help Trump with some black voters.

-no change in life style especially inner cities (kind of that Kim Klacik approach) why not try something different?

-open borders and less strict immigration policies have had more disproportional effect on black communities employment

per the national bureau of economic research



-opposition to the BLM organization (not the BLM movement) too different animals here. BLM organization is very much against religion and the nuclear family. Faith for many of the minority community is a huge part of there lives. Marcellus Wiley has a strong stance on this subject (worth a watch for sure)

-as for black women a lot of policies including welfare (while had good intentions) have had some negative impacts in terms of being financially beneficial for both parents of a child NOT to live in the same household. Maybe women are more for family structure in this sense?

per the census bureau:



On the other side the police brutality issue is a huge hurdle for the right to overcome. As they have a very strong stance and support for police and law in general. This is not my specific opinion but from my personal experience they see right from right and wrong from wrong in a sense that if you live a criminal life you are more apt to be put in situations where the police can harm you. That is not a good approach and I am 100% on board for police reform. There is no doubt there is a bias in terms of how the police interact in general with black men specifically then white men. That ultimately has been a gap in terms of where conservatives haven't been able to bridge that gap from there viewpoint to those communities because they simply don't see on daily basis even the non deadly poor interactions like Dominic Smith on the Mets and Moe Harkless on the Knicks have pointed out. Which is simply unacceptable. White men for the most part don't have to go through that...and that ultimately is the crux of the issue IMO.


Can you elaborate on this point more?





with the difficulty for me to express exactly how I would like it to come across (which is difficult via text). I think the above link was what I was referring too.


Here is the excerpt of the BLM Mission Statement the Wiley cited:

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.



It doesn't seem to reject nuclear families or religion.

It's saying they aim to provide a community so mothers aren't raising their children alone, or without equal level of paternal participation, and that the nuclear family isn't the only source of support.

To provide a larger "family", so to speak.

They don't mention religion at all.
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Can you elaborate on this point more?





with the difficulty for me to express exactly how I would like it to come across (which is difficult via text). I think the above link was what I was referring too.


Here is the excerpt of the BLM Mission Statement the Wiley cited:

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.



It doesn't seem to reject nuclear families or religion.

It's saying they aim to provide a community so single mothers aren't raising their children alone and that the nuclear family isn't the only source of support.

To provide a larger "family", so to speak.

They don't mention religion at all.


Yeah, that sounds more like community outreach than anti-rhetoric of any kind.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#439 » by mpharris36 » Tue Sep 1, 2020 7:02 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Can you elaborate on this point more?





with the difficulty for me to express exactly how I would like it to come across (which is difficult via text). I think the above link was what I was referring too.


Here is the excerpt of the BLM Mission Statement the Wiley cited:

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.



It doesn't seem to reject nuclear families or religion.

It's saying they aim to provide a community so single mothers aren't raising their children alone and that the nuclear family isn't the only source of support.

To provide a larger "family", so to speak.

They don't mention religion at all.


I guess it would depend on how you read it. Most Christians believe the nuclear family is a privileged to have (2 parents raising there children). No one is suggesting single parents aren't superhero's because they are. I couldn't imagine raising a child or children by yourself. But if you are a believer that the family structure is the most important for the success of a child (which I do). It is tough to support an organization that would like to "disrupt it". Now that isn't suggesting I don't support single parents. I do and would hope that in that case the community and people supporting that mother help raise that child. Unfortunately in a lot of cases compared to dual parent households the stats bear out in a way where you are at a disadvantage.

Also to be clear this wasn't suppose to be a stance that suggests this is how everyone feels. I am suggesting sort of like Jonathan Isaac in a sense. There are a large group of people that feel this way about the organization (not the movement).
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