Trade: Jays acquire Jonathan Villar from Marlins

[Schad]

I'm hoping Walker isn't a rental. We can sign him now, no?

Walker's an FA after the season, as are the other acquisitions (excluding Vogelbach).

[bluerap23]

I'm hoping Walker isn't a rental. We can sign him now, no?

Walker's an FA after the season, as are the other acquisitions (excluding Vogelbach).

Yes, thus I said "hoping"

[Lateral Quicks]

Villar is a huge upgrade on what we've been trotting out at 3B all year. Hopefully this means very limited sightings of Drury/Panik/Espinal going forward.

Conine seems like a stiff return, but that K-rate in A- ball is a big red flag. We're in it to make the playoffs this year, so giving up Conine is a sensible risk in pursuing a big upgrade.

[PowerPlant1]

If we never see Drury in the lineup the whole year because of this then I am happy. That Drury/Mckinney trade for Happ.....

Villar is competent offensively, runs well although he has been thrown out more than usual this season.

If only they also focused on catcher. Jansen/Maguire is a gaping lineup hole. We better keep what catching prospects we've got.

[Fairview4Life]

Funny that both teams made the trade reportedly to make the post season.

[Scott Hall]

Buffalo is gonna win the World Series this year aren't they?

[bluerap23]

If we never see Drury in the lineup the whole year because of this then I am happy. That Drury/Mckinney trade for Happ.....

Villar is competent offensively, runs well although he has been thrown out more than usual this season.

If only they also focused on catcher. Jansen/Maguire is a gaping lineup hole. We better keep what catching prospects we've got.

It looks like this front office is acquiring players they believe they can “fix”. It hasn’t worked out with Drury and McKinney, but it certainly looks to have worked with Teo and Randal. If they can convert on half of these types that will work out pretty good.

[The_Hater]

Griffin Conine is the return. While I despair at the loss of a large adult son, and his numbers were great last year, I'm really not sure how you translate a 36% K rate in A ball as a 22 year old into major league success.

On the flip side, if you're the offspring of a former MLB player aren't you pretty much a shoe-in for MLB success with the Jays?

[Fairview4Life]

If we never see Drury in the lineup the whole year because of this then I am happy. That Drury/Mckinney trade for Happ.....

Villar is competent offensively, runs well although he has been thrown out more than usual this season.

If only they also focused on catcher. Jansen/Maguire is a gaping lineup hole. We better keep what catching prospects we've got.

It looks like this front office is acquiring players they believe they can “fix”. It hasn’t worked out with Drury and McKinney, but it certainly looks to have worked with Teo and Randal. If they can convert on half of these types that will work out pretty good.

I mean, if we’re getting this years Grichuk and Hernandez with 2 of 4 dice rolls, that’s absurd.

[Schad]

Griffin Conine is the return. While I despair at the loss of a large adult son, and his numbers were great last year, I'm really not sure how you translate a 36% K rate in A ball as a 22 year old into major league success.

On the flip side, if you're the offspring of a former MLB player aren't you pretty much a shoe-in for MLB success with the Jays?

Even the Large Adult Son doctrine couldn't fix Kacy Clemens (or Koby Clemens for that matter, who was briefly in our system).

Maybe Roger liked having kids who were bad hitters because it made practicing more fun.

[PowerPlant1]

The trade was bad in outcome. The trade and lack of infield depth have lead to at bats featuring Drury a lot this year which has hurt the offense.

Yes, Drury and Mckinney were projects but they were selected as opposed to other players. I leave that up to organizations to evaluate who is fixable and who isn't. That is where the dice rolling analogy falls apart because from what I know, it isn't only up to luck but analysis/future projection/etc.

For example, the Jays didn't know what they had with Gio Urshela. Neither did Cleveland as well. What did these teams miss? Was it observable or predictable? Or did all of a sudden it all just 'click' mysteriously and could never have been predicted to happen?

[PowerPlant1]

If we never see Drury in the lineup the whole year because of this then I am happy. That Drury/Mckinney trade for Happ.....

Villar is competent offensively, runs well although he has been thrown out more than usual this season.

If only they also focused on catcher. Jansen/Maguire is a gaping lineup hole. We better keep what catching prospects we've got.

It looks like this front office is acquiring players they believe they can “fix”. It hasn’t worked out with Drury and McKinney, but it certainly looks to have worked with Teo and Randal. If they can convert on half of these types that will work out pretty good.

I mean, if we’re getting this years Grichuk and Hernandez with 2 of 4 dice rolls, that’s absurd.

The trade was bad in outcome. The trade and lack of infield depth have lead to at bats featuring Drury a lot this year which has hurt the offense.

Yes, Drury and Mckinney were projects but they were selected as opposed to other players. I leave that up to organizations to evaluate who is fixable and who isn't. That is where the dice rolling analogy falls apart because from what I know, it isn't only up to luck but analysis/future projection/etc.

For example, the Jays didn't know what they had with Gio Urshela. Neither did Cleveland as well. What did these teams miss? Was it observable or predictable? Or did all of a sudden it all just 'click' mysteriously and could never have been predicted to happen?

[Schad]

Urshela's such an outlier that I don't think anyone can hold that against the Jays or the Indians. He showed a bit of pop here and there in the minors, but nothing to write home about, and from 2016-2018 he was utterly toothless in AAA and at the major league level. And it wasn't a launch angle thing: he just made a lot of garbage contact and chased everything (he still does). Then he suddenly started hitting the ball hard and it went places.

[Kris_Banks]

Great move again for the Jays, I love Villar's ability to steal bases and the fact he can play multiple positions. I hope he's not a rental and our future starting 3rd baseman. But even if he's just used as a utility player he can pinch-run and backup OF so we don't have to play Fisher or Alford.

[bluerap23]

Great move again for the Jays, I love Villar's ability to steal bases and the fact he can play multiple positions. I hope he's not a rental and our future starting 3rd baseman. But even if he's just used as a utility player he can pinch-run and backup OF so we don't have to play Fisher or Alford.

Alford is no longer a Jay

[Schad]

Great move again for the Jays, I love Villar's ability to steal bases and the fact he can play multiple positions. I hope he's not a rental and our future starting 3rd baseman. But even if he's just used as a utility player he can pinch-run and backup OF so we don't have to play Fisher or Alford.

Alford is no longer a Jay

All the more reason not to play him.

[Randle McMurphy]

Bonifacio 2.0