Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[xdrta+]

I love the idea that so many teams may be salary sellers while the Warriors are one of the few buyers. Makes the Warriors space even more valuable and lets them ask for a discount/sweetener in trades.

Is it possible for a team trading away a player to pay part of their future salary as a sweetener or to make the deal possible? I know I've seen it in the past, but don't remember if it was NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLB.

The best an NBA team can do is include cash in a trade up to a limited amount. This season it was about $5.6M (that's a total for the season, to send out or receive.) Next year's total will go up or down by the same percentage as the cap moves.

[ChuckDurn]

So I forget where I read it but heard a rumor in regards to the Warriors and Phoenix.

The writer said that Phoenix wants to free up some money to try and bring in a bigger free agent. They are loaded with small forwards and may be interested in Kelly Oubre to the Warriors.

The trade proposed was Oubre and 10 for our TPE......WHAT?

I would do that trade in an obvious nano second. The reasoning by the writer is to incentivize it for the Warriors because they don’t necessarily want another draft pick to have to pay and nurture. Phoenix is thinking about a veteran and a big name. Interesting.

If they wanted us to add our own 2021 protected, I’d do it easily.

Imagine Oubre at 14 mil. Leaves another TPE created at 3.2 mil. And we’d have the number 2 and the number 10, as well as the MLE.

It sounds like wishful thinking to me, but damn that’s interesting for sure.

Sure, do that ... and watch GM Jones get fired.

Yeah, exactly. No way Phoenix would make a deal like that, no matter how bad the money situation could be, because at a minimum they’d create a bidding war for an Oubre + #10 package with any teams that have cap space (or a TPE) available. As someone mentioned, I’d have no problem offering some future draft equity (for example, our 2021 #1 pick, top-10 protected, and second-rounders), since the whole point of this would be Phoenix not wanting current players or draft picks.

But yeah, Jones would be gone if he didn’t get some good future draft value for a package such as Oubre + #10.

[wco81]

Only thing is Oubre has only 1 year left on his deal?

Ever since he joined Phoenix he's taking more shots, including from 3. Of course the most minutes too and he had probably his best year statistically in 56 games, averaging 18.7 PPG.

So he is used to starting and would want that role. But what is his attitude on defense as he gained a greater scoring role? He's athletic, doesn't seem to have greater than average length. But at 6-7 203 pounds, he may not be the answer to defend Kahwi and Lebron.

Iggy was 215 pounds at 6-6, has crazy skilled hands. Averaged 1.5 steals in his career while Oubre is at .9 though he did average 1.3 this season.

GR3 is 6-6 and 222, has shot a lot better in his career than KO. But maybe not the defender as only .5 steals in his career, 2.6 RPG. KO has greater average steals, blocks and rebounds.

Bottom line, KO may want to go for a career year as far as his scoring numbers. May not be happy to take a supporting role where his shots go down.

[ILOVEIT]

Only thing is Oubre has only 1 year left on his deal?

Ever since he joined Phoenix he's taking more shots, including from 3. Of course the most minutes too and he had probably his best year statistically in 56 games, averaging 18.7 PPG.

So he is used to starting and would want that role. But what is his attitude on defense as he gained a greater scoring role? He's athletic, doesn't seem to have greater than average length. But at 6-7 203 pounds, he may not be the answer to defend Kahwi and Lebron.

Iggy was 215 pounds at 6-6, has crazy skilled hands. Averaged 1.5 steals in his career while Oubre is at .9 though he did average 1.3 this season.

GR3 is 6-6 and 222, has shot a lot better in his career than KO. But maybe not the defender as only .5 steals in his career, 2.6 RPG. KO has greater average steals, blocks and rebounds.

Bottom line, KO may want to go for a career year as far as his scoring numbers. May not be happy to take a supporting role where his shots go down.

To be fair....Iggy had one of the best defensive IQ's ever and the hands and athleticism to match. We won't be able to replace that but we should find two way big wings to help.

[ChuckDurn]

Only thing is Oubre has only 1 year left on his deal?

Ever since he joined Phoenix he's taking more shots, including from 3. Of course the most minutes too and he had probably his best year statistically in 56 games, averaging 18.7 PPG.

So he is used to starting and would want that role. But what is his attitude on defense as he gained a greater scoring role? He's athletic, doesn't seem to have greater than average length. But at 6-7 203 pounds, he may not be the answer to defend Kahwi and Lebron.

Iggy was 215 pounds at 6-6, has crazy skilled hands. Averaged 1.5 steals in his career while Oubre is at .9 though he did average 1.3 this season.

GR3 is 6-6 and 222, has shot a lot better in his career than KO. But maybe not the defender as only .5 steals in his career, 2.6 RPG. KO has greater average steals, blocks and rebounds.

Bottom line, KO may want to go for a career year as far as his scoring numbers. May not be happy to take a supporting role where his shots go down.

To be fair....Iggy had one of the best defensive IQ's ever and the hands and athleticism to match. We won't be able to replace that but we should find two way big wings to help.

Yep. Iguodala was a freaking Olympian in his prime. Expecting other players to favorably compare to him isn’t a reasonable benchmark.

You can’t have too many solid, athletic wings who can contribute on both ends of the court in the current NBA, and Oubre is that. While I like GR3 and would welcome him back, Oubre is way more valuable. He’s aggressive offensively, something GR3 isn’t - and a notable challenge for us is getting bench scoring. I could easily see Oubre averaging 15 points in 25 minutes/game off the bench, where I’d be a little surprised when GR3 hit double-digits in a similar role.

And again, a huge part of this very unlikely idea is that we’d also be getting the #10 pick. Even were Oubre to bolt after a year, that #10 pick would be permanently with us (along with whoever we took at #2).

[ShayDee]

BOB I SWEAR TO GOD, IF YOU GIVE RAPTORS THE #2 PICK FOR SIAKAM.

But seriously, Please do not do it. Wiggins + #2 >>>>>> Siakam

[ShayDee]

Actually would you guys do this?

[wco81]

No way.

Siakam looks like a role player, not a max player despite the contract.

Their picks won't be great anyways. Toronto is good enough to be out of the lotto for the foreseeable future.

But they're likely going to be exposed as frauds. They can't always have two of the top 3 teams on their opponent get knocked out of the series.

[Onus]

I really wanted Siakam as our fifth guy to add to our core four. But I think Wiggins fits our team better as siakam is more of a 4 and that’s where Draymond starts.

[ChuckDurn]

Actually would you guys do this?

A deal I’d do:

Warriors trade Wiggins + #2 pick in 2020 + our 2021 #1 pick
Warriors receive Siakam + Anunoby

Siakam is struggling while trying to do too much for the Raptors, but is outstanding. He’d score 18-20 very efficiently with the W’s rather than having to try to score 25 with the Raptors. And he could go back to being a defensive beast. He’s flexible enough to start up-front with Green, covering either the C or PF depending on matchups.

Anunoby is really good as well - excellent 3-and-D player. Long, but strong, able to be very physical.

I’d want to get one more wing, for the bench, and a big back-up center. But a starting line-up of Curry/Klay/Anunoby/Siakam/Draymond would be phenomenal, offensively and defensively.

[vetmin]

Siakam is struggling while trying to do too much for the Raptors, but is outstanding. He’d score 18-20 very efficiently with the W’s rather than having to try to score 25 with the Raptors. And he could go back to being a defensive beast. He’s flexible enough to start up-front with Green, covering either the C or PF depending on matchups.

Amen. Lots of crazy takes here re: Siakam. If we could even get Siakam alone for Wiggins + #2 + MIN pick, I think Bob would do it instantly and rush the paperwork to get it done before Masai’s LSD trip wears off.

Siakam would be straight fire for us.


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[Quazza]

Actually would you guys do this?

A deal I’d do:

Warriors trade Wiggins + #2 pick in 2020 + our 2021 #1 pick
Warriors receive Siakam + Anunoby

Siakam is struggling while trying to do too much for the Raptors, but is outstanding. He’d score 18-20 very efficiently with the W’s rather than having to try to score 25 with the Raptors. And he could go back to being a defensive beast. He’s flexible enough to start up-front with Green, covering either the C or PF depending on matchups.

Anunoby is really good as well - excellent 3-and-D player. Long, but strong, able to be very physical.

I’d want to get one more wing, for the bench, and a big back-up center. But a starting line-up of Curry/Klay/Anunoby/Siakam/Draymond would be phenomenal, offensively and defensively.

Sign me up

(Though don't think the Raps do it without the Min pick )

[Coxy]

Actually would you guys do this?

A deal I’d do:

Warriors trade Wiggins + #2 pick in 2020 + our 2021 #1 pick
Warriors receive Siakam + Anunoby

Siakam is struggling while trying to do too much for the Raptors, but is outstanding. He’d score 18-20 very efficiently with the W’s rather than having to try to score 25 with the Raptors. And he could go back to being a defensive beast. He’s flexible enough to start up-front with Green, covering either the C or PF depending on matchups.

Anunoby is really good as well - excellent 3-and-D player. Long, but strong, able to be very physical.

I’d want to get one more wing, for the bench, and a big back-up center. But a starting line-up of Curry/Klay/Anunoby/Siakam/Draymond would be phenomenal, offensively and defensively.

Sign me up

(Though don't think the Raps do it without the Min pick )

Hell yes, this has my vote.

[Mav_Carter]

How about Wiggns and the #2 straight up for Rudy Gobert...Utah does that deal...

[ShayDee]

How about Wiggns and the #2 straight up for Rudy Gobert...Utah does that deal...

No, We need wing defenders and Wiggins is the only one we have at the moment

[Mav_Carter]

Moving Wiggins allows us to use the TPE and MLE to find wing defenders...

[whatisacenter]

Moving Wiggins allows us to use the TPE and MLE to find wing defenders...

they could also use them for wing players while keeping Wiggins...

[Little Digger]

I like Wiggles but for Gobert ? of course

[Warriors Analyst]

How about Wiggns and the #2 straight up for Rudy Gobert...Utah does that deal...

Nah. Gobert won't see the court in crunch time on this team.

[ShayDee]

Guys please stop, Gobert will be a rental. No way the FO pay him more than 15mil. I'm sorry but we need scorers on this team. Steph is old, Klay is coming off an ACL. We need more scorers. Wiggins can give you 20ppg. Draymond and Gobert in the front court is a disaster offensively. There is no guarantee who we acquire after trading Wiggins can contribute offensively