Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[vincecarter4pres]

Also FYI, as far as I've found, Caris is not BYC. BYC was basically done away with under the new CBA, it only comes into play when a player is a S&T. Since Caris was extended so long ago, his salary would be 100% outgoing if I'm reading things right.

[Paradise]

Another option for us to acquire a 3nD wing is through the draft. There is a player who has been discussed before, who might be NBA ready and able to fill that role for us right away.

Saddiq Bey

Spoiler:

Scrappy, confident, high energy forward who broke out this season into one of the most productive players in the Big East … Outstanding three-point shooter who finished at 45% for the season on a high volume of shots (2.5 made threes per game) … Elite catch and shoot perimeter player … High motor, versatile player with the size to play the SF position at the next level (6’8, 216 pounds) and with a near 7-foot wingspan … An overachiever. Bey is a two-way player who stood out on both sides of the ball for #10 Villanova Wildcats this season … Knock down shooter from both mid-range and beyond the arc … Held his own in limited post opportunities this season … Strong and determined defender who can successfully defend 2s, 3s, and (college) 4s … Physical on both offense and defense

Projects as a late first round to an early second round pick … One of the more NBA ready players in this year’s draft because of his experience and style of play … 3 and D Wing player who could find a role in the league as a glue guy … Defensive ability could allow for impactful minutes as a rookie

Does he fall to us at19? Do we have any assets to move up a few spots?

He's the guy that I was thinking about really. But we would probably need to add a veteran defender as well.

The Nets don't need offense. we won't have trouble scoring with Kyrie and KD opening up holes in the defense. We need guys that can defend and hold the line in close games.

Y’all are completely sleeping on Tyler Bey. He can play 2 through 4. He checks off most boxes for what we need and he’s going to be most likely available.

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[Papi_swav]

We need a wing defender that can match up at 2, 3, and even 4 in some situations. We have to deal with Ben, Siakam, Giannis, Butler, and Tatum.

We need someone 6'8, good wingspan and some defensive chops on this roster. Who fits that bill in free agency or via trade? Jrue Holiday or Bradley Beal isn't answering that question.

Remember when we had Nwaba and Shumpert? And then all of a sudden our defense looked legit, we were getting stops, forcing turnovers, running the fast break and scoring easy transition buckets.

That’s the value of having versatile wing defenders that have length to guard anyone and disrupt the opponent’s offense.

All of our role player’s efficiency would sky rocket when they can get easy buckets in transition.

We don’t have that right now. We already have KD and Kyrie to score the difficult half court baskets when the defense is set.

Beal and Holiday don’t add anything.

Nwaba man I miss that guy so much. He only played like 20 games but that dude was the definition of Brooklyn grit. One dude I wish we can have back. He was like our Marcus Smart. You are correct. We need versatile defenders at guard, wings and big men positions.

[Papi_swav]

Another option for us to acquire a 3nD wing is through the draft. There is a player who has been discussed before, who might be NBA ready and able to fill that role for us right away.

Saddiq Bey

Spoiler:

Scrappy, confident, high energy forward who broke out this season into one of the most productive players in the Big East … Outstanding three-point shooter who finished at 45% for the season on a high volume of shots (2.5 made threes per game) … Elite catch and shoot perimeter player … High motor, versatile player with the size to play the SF position at the next level (6’8, 216 pounds) and with a near 7-foot wingspan … An overachiever. Bey is a two-way player who stood out on both sides of the ball for #10 Villanova Wildcats this season … Knock down shooter from both mid-range and beyond the arc … Held his own in limited post opportunities this season … Strong and determined defender who can successfully defend 2s, 3s, and (college) 4s … Physical on both offense and defense

Projects as a late first round to an early second round pick … One of the more NBA ready players in this year’s draft because of his experience and style of play … 3 and D Wing player who could find a role in the league as a glue guy … Defensive ability could allow for impactful minutes as a rookie

Does he fall to us at19? Do we have any assets to move up a few spots?

He's the guy that I was thinking about really. But we would probably need to add a veteran defender as well.

The Nets don't need offense. we won't have trouble scoring with Kyrie and KD opening up holes in the defense. We need guys that can defend and hold the line in close games.

In that case, just sign Kris Dunn. The guy is like Marcus Smart defensively, but a negative on defense.

Yes I was thinking of him too, he can definitely defend and he shouldn't cost too much . Only thing is his shot hasn't got there yet. But he can definitely handle defending other guards. Should cost around a MLE moreless.

[Paradise]

We need a wing defender that can match up at 2, 3, and even 4 in some situations. We have to deal with Ben, Siakam, Giannis, Butler, and Tatum.

We need someone 6'8, good wingspan and some defensive chops on this roster. Who fits that bill in free agency or via trade? Jrue Holiday or Bradley Beal isn't answering that question.

Remember when we had Nwaba and Shumpert? And then all of a sudden our defense looked legit, we were getting stops, forcing turnovers, running the fast break and scoring easy transition buckets.

That’s the value of having versatile wing defenders that have length to guard anyone and disrupt the opponent’s offense.

All of our role player’s efficiency would sky rocket when they can get easy buckets in transition.

We don’t have that right now. We already have KD and Kyrie to score the difficult half court baskets when the defense is set.

Beal and Holiday don’t add anything.

Nwaba man I miss that guy so much. He only played like 20 games but that dude was the definition of Brooklyn grit. One dude I wish we can have back. He was like our Marcus Smart. You are correct. We need versatile defenders at guard, wings and big men positions.

The fact Houston signed him while rehabbing an achilles tear goes to show Marks knows what he’s doing when he’s signing these super role players.

[kamaze]

Another option for us to acquire a 3nD wing is through the draft. There is a player who has been discussed before, who might be NBA ready and able to fill that role for us right away.

Saddiq Bey

Spoiler:

Scrappy, confident, high energy forward who broke out this season into one of the most productive players in the Big East … Outstanding three-point shooter who finished at 45% for the season on a high volume of shots (2.5 made threes per game) … Elite catch and shoot perimeter player … High motor, versatile player with the size to play the SF position at the next level (6’8, 216 pounds) and with a near 7-foot wingspan … An overachiever. Bey is a two-way player who stood out on both sides of the ball for #10 Villanova Wildcats this season … Knock down shooter from both mid-range and beyond the arc … Held his own in limited post opportunities this season … Strong and determined defender who can successfully defend 2s, 3s, and (college) 4s … Physical on both offense and defense

Projects as a late first round to an early second round pick … One of the more NBA ready players in this year’s draft because of his experience and style of play … 3 and D Wing player who could find a role in the league as a glue guy … Defensive ability could allow for impactful minutes as a rookie

Does he fall to us at19? Do we have any assets to move up a few spots?

He's the guy that I was thinking about really. But we would probably need to add a veteran defender as well.

The Nets don't need offense. we won't have trouble scoring with Kyrie and KD opening up holes in the defense. We need guys that can defend and hold the line in close games.

Y’all are completely sleeping on Tyler Bey. He can play 2 through 4. He checks off most boxes for what we need and he’s going to be most likely available.

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Both of those players would be good choices. I like Patrick Williams from Florida state 6'8 and athletic.

[Papi_swav]

We need some versatile wing and guard defenders, the more the better. Can never have too many of those. I'll say go out and get 2 versatile wing defenders, one through draft and the other needs to be a vet. Then get a guard or 2. Kriss Dunn is a good one, Jrue would also be great without giving up too much. We need these type of guys on other guards, we don't really have any great defenders here. I would draft a athletic ready to play now wing defender. Then go after a guy like Jae Crowder, Moe Harkless etc..

We just really need some defense. Look at how the Celtics are handling the Craptors. The more wing defenders the better. We have to face teams with more than 1 great wing players. Boston has Tatum, Brown and Hayward. That's alot. Sixers have Tobias and I guess you can say Simmons. Heat have Butler and guys like Herro, Duncan etc.. Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. And this is just in the East. We need about 3-4 defenders from the guards to the wings. I'm sorry I keep repeating myself but this should be our main focus in the off season other than signing Joe Harris. Wings are still the primary position.

[ProspectPark]

Saddiq Bey
Tyler Bey
Patrick Williams
Jaden McDaniels
Aaron Nesmith
Jordan Nwora

There’s quite a few of these NBA ready 3nD wings in this draft that are projected to go anywhere from mid 1st round to early 2nd round. We just need someone to be like rookie Kawhi. Play defense, and hit wide open shots.

Philly has 5 picks in this draft. Including 21 and 34. If they offered Josh Richardson and the 21st pick for Dinwiddie, would you guys accept? We would then have picks 19 and 21 in the First Round.

I’m high on Richardson and getting to draft two of these NBA ready 3nD wings on cost controlled contracts, would be hard to turn down.

[Prokorov]

Scratch the two Bulls off the list. I'm not sure what your obsession with them is.

Beal is a young star. You back the truck up for him. For Jrue, it depends on what the rest of the package looks like, but if you can add picks to retain Allen, you do it.

im not an otto porter guy but marks love him and he is an initely better fit/need.

Lavine i like. dude is outstanding. he can score from anywhere on the court, finish, is relatively clutch. good on and off ball. still youngish and improving. tools to be a good defender. i think you put him on a good team and he plays consistently harder and becomes a beast.

I mean 25/5/4 on 38% from three is better then what levert posted in a small sample in the bubble and this is year 2 of him showing that production. we also lack elite athleticism

Lavine is a high volume scorer and horrid defender, who desperately wants to be an All Star. Seems to have an ego too. The Bulls also have no incentive to trade him meaning he would cost a ton.

He is the last thing we need.

wait wait wait wait..... let me get this right. So Levert is not inefficient, despite a 51 TS% and 42/36/71 shooting split... but Lavine is a "volume scorer" with a 57 TS%, 45/38/80 shooting split? Lavine is an outstanding efficient scorer who shoots it well from deep, mid range, and is a beast at the rim. you cant call him a "volume scorer" if you dont call levert an inefficient player. its talking out both sides of your mouth. the numbers levert put up in the bubble Lavine posts over a full season.

Also, since when is wanting to be an all-star a bad thing? would you prefer if he wanted to be a 17th man on a 2-way deal who only plays scrub minutes? "seems to have an ego"? how so, dude is super humble. the only accurate criticism in your post is about his defense and he is a better defender than levert with much more physical tools/potential on that end. he is also younger with a higher ceiling.

[Prokorov]

Holiday is 30 and made how many all nba defense teams? 1, 2? Wow, let’s trade the farm.

20/7 all-nba defender who will likely make it for the 3rd time this year.

What young asset:

[spoiler]Here’s how one of the best talent evaluators Sam Vecenie from The Athletic described Caris LeVert:

Caris levert is not young. he is 26 and will be in his 5th year after coming out as a senior and off his rookie deal. no GM considers him a young asset.

LeVert had a strong year again, basically backing up what he did as a third-year player prior to his injury. If anything, he actually got better this year. He was coming on strong as the season ended. From Feb. 3 onward, LeVert averaged 24.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Even more than Spencer Dinwiddie, LeVert was becoming the leader in the absence of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. He punctuated it with a 51-point onslaught in Boston to lead Brooklyn to a pretty big win, then followed it up in the last game before the break with 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists against the Lakers in a win.

He did not have a strong year. 18 points on awful efficiency, below average shooting, and low assist rate for his volume with below average to awful defense and the team was better when he sat vs played.

1. When you evaluate a player’s efficiency, you have to account for how are their points scored. LeVert doesn’t get easy baskets. All of his baskets are scored in the most difficult way possible. Breaking down multiple defenders and finishing or shooting over a rim protecting big. The bet we’re making, is with KD and Kyrie and other high IQ players LeVert will get easier baskets resulting in his efficiency sky rocketing.

This is completely riddiculous. good players create easy shots for themselves. saying you miss alot because you take tough shots just means you arent good enough to get better shots or have awful shot selection. and its not like he is just inefficient, among players who take 10+ shots he is among the worst efficiency in the enitre league and thats 2 years running

2. When a player is injured for long stretches, he loses his conditioning. We just saw Oladipo come back and not play well. If you ever touched a basketball or did anything athletic in life you would understand this. When you dislocate your foot, it’s kind of hard to run and stay in peak NBA game shape.

Levert not being able to stay healthy is part of the criticism. its not good to always be hurt.

3. The coaching scheme. Was the coach using LeVert in a way that maximized his strengths? Why did his efficiency dramatically increase when he was allowed to take more shots from mid range? Who were his teammates? Was he surrounded by shooters? Did the defense sag off his teammates limiting him his ability to drive to the basket? These and many more are all details that need to be accounted for.

in every scenario he has awful efficiency. starter vs bench. and all of his 5-man lineups. he has plenty of shooters around him.

You’re pretty much the guy that ignores all the context and details and dumbs everything down to simple TS%. Does it really take much basketball IQ to figure out how to sort players based on TS% on Bball-Ref. A small child can do that.

no you are the homer that twists yourself in a pretzel to try and make someone good and uses enormously small samples of good ignoring enormous samples of bad.

as far as context, again when someone is poor in every split imaginable he probably isnt super efficient or a good scorer. thats what we have issue with. ignoring 200+ games of data to focos on a 12 game sample. If anyone is ignoring context its you. if anyone is using anecdotal stuff its you. if anyone has recency bias its you.

[Prokorov]

We need some versatile wing and guard defenders, the more the better. Can never have too many of those. I'll say go out and get 2 versatile wing defenders, one through draft and the other needs to be a vet. Then get a guard or 2. Kriss Dunn is a good one, Jrue would also be great without giving up too much. We need these type of guys on other guards, we don't really have any great defenders here. I would draft a athletic ready to play now wing defender. Then go after a guy like Jae Crowder, Moe Harkless etc..

We just really need some defense. Look at how the Celtics are handling the Craptors. The more wing defenders the better. We have to face teams with more than 1 great wing players. Boston has Tatum, Brown and Hayward. That's alot. Sixers have Tobias and I guess you can say Simmons. Heat have Butler and guys like Herro, Duncan etc.. Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. And this is just in the East. We need about 3-4 defenders from the guards to the wings. I'm sorry I keep repeating myself but this should be our main focus in the off season other than signing Joe Harris. Wings are still the primary position.

Yeah. the problem is the crowders of the world are on contracts and playoff teams who arent going to give them up. the 2-way guys are untouchable because they are MVP level or high level all stars (Kawhi, Giannis, Butler, etc..)

We are better off using our assets to get Jrue, who is a 2-way all NBA defender then add some 1-way defensive stoppers as low minute role guys you bring in when needed like the shumperts of the world. not every team we face has Giannis. we are going to smash people and Jrue can guard 80% of the NBA. many teams we will beat without needing tough stops

[MrDollarBills]

I'd be for bringing in Jrue, we need a backcourt defender that can also contribute offensively. However, we would still need someone on the wing.

But looking at it from NO's perspective, I don't see why they would make the trade.

[Prokorov]

I'd be for bringing in Jrue, we need a backcourt defender that can also contribute offensively. However, we would still need someone on the wing.

But looking at it from NO's perspective, I don't see why they would make the trade.

Jrue is a win now player without much term remaining on his deal and they are not a win now team. and if they wait they will get nothing for him. It may not be us but he is one of the more likely players to be dealt to a contender.

Also, Jrue is one of the best wing defenders in the league. As shown here multiple times. People talk about smart but he is shorter with less wingspan than Jrue who is also more athletic. We have seen Jrue succesfully guard some of the better offensive wings despite the size difference.

im all for bringing in another shumpert type too. but Jrue is the main solution. he is also great insurance to a kyrie injury/missed time as he is a legit 20/7 player on the offensive end

[Paradise]

TJ needs to stay off Twitter mentions lol

I know he wasn’t purposely taking a shot at KD but this will resurface if/when he’s re-signed for next season...

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[Prokorov]

Its not really a shot at KD to call him out for being a bitch on twitter or jumping teams. he acknowledged he did both and deserves any heat he gets for it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

im not an otto porter guy but marks love him and he is an initely better fit/need.

Lavine i like. dude is outstanding. he can score from anywhere on the court, finish, is relatively clutch. good on and off ball. still youngish and improving. tools to be a good defender. i think you put him on a good team and he plays consistently harder and becomes a beast.

I mean 25/5/4 on 38% from three is better then what levert posted in a small sample in the bubble and this is year 2 of him showing that production. we also lack elite athleticism

Lavine is a high volume scorer and horrid defender, who desperately wants to be an All Star. Seems to have an ego too. The Bulls also have no incentive to trade him meaning he would cost a ton.

He is the last thing we need.

wait wait wait wait..... let me get this right. So Levert is not inefficient, despite a 51 TS% and 42/36/71 shooting split... but Lavine is a "volume scorer" with a 57 TS%, 45/38/80 shooting split? Lavine is an outstanding efficient scorer who shoots it well from deep, mid range, and is a beast at the rim. you cant call him a "volume scorer" if you dont call levert an inefficient player. its talking out both sides of your mouth. the numbers levert put up in the bubble Lavine posts over a full season.

Also, since when is wanting to be an all-star a bad thing? would you prefer if he wanted to be a 17th man on a 2-way deal who only plays scrub minutes? "seems to have an ego"? how so, dude is super humble. the only accurate criticism in your post is about his defense and he is a better defender than levert with much more physical tools/potential on that end. he is also younger with a higher ceiling.

Since when does a volume scorer mean hes inefficient? I never said Lavine was inefficient. I said that he was high volume, meaning scores a lot of points with the ball.

Can you at least read what I'm writing before going off on some tangent?

No I don't want a "third star" on the team who is desperate to become an All Star and get credit. Being the third banana on a Championship team will not get you that.

He is NOT a worse defender than Levert. Completely false. Lavine is one of the worst defenders in the NBA. He does nothing to address our biggest need and his strengths are not things we need. He's never shown the ability to play well off ball either.

Also why would the Bulls trade ever trade a borderline all star for Levert who is older and often injured?

Lavine would cost a ton of assets to pry from the Bulls and be a marginal upgrade at best.

Trading for Lavine is probably the worst possible move we can make. I would much rather do nothing.

[Prokorov]

Since when does a volume scorer mean hes inefficient? I never said Lavine was inefficient. I said that he was high volume, meaning scores a lot of points with the ball.

This is a bad thing? wouldnt bad be scoring a marginal amount of points with the ball on average shooting and low efficiency?

No I don't want a "third star" on the team who is desperate to become an All Star and get credit. Being the third banana on a Championship team will not get you that.

Bosh was an all-star. Love was an all-star. KD/Trey/Steph/Draymond all all-stars. why cant you have 3 all-stars? You dont think levert wants to be an all-star? (Spoiler alert he has said "I want to be an all-star in this league) as recent as this january.

He is NOT a worse defender than Levert.

I agree

Also why would the Bulls trade ever trade a borderline all star for Levert who is older and often injured?

It would take more than levert.

Lavine would cost a ton of assets to pry from the Bulls and be a marginal upgrade at best.

Trading for Lavine is probably the worst possible move we can make. I would much rather do nothing.

Lavine is an enormous upgrade to levert. it isnt even remotely close. everything levert does, Lavine does better while also being healthier and 5 times the athlete.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I just think whoever our next coach is has to find a way to make Levert/Prince/Dinwiddie into good switchable wing defenders.

These guys all have the size and skills to do it. We just need the right system.

[DarkXaero]

I'd be for bringing in Jrue, we need a backcourt defender that can also contribute offensively. However, we would still need someone on the wing.

But looking at it from NO's perspective, I don't see why they would make the trade.

Because Jrue is a free agent in 2021, and would likely end up leaving NO for nothing if he stayed there. Additionally, he just turned 30, and Pelicans are a team full of great young talent, so why wouldn't they look to add another good younger piece in place of him, who fits their timeline?

[ProspectPark]

I'd be for bringing in Jrue, we need a backcourt defender that can also contribute offensively. However, we would still need someone on the wing.

But looking at it from NO's perspective, I don't see why they would make the trade.

When Jrue hits free agency in a year, he will get the 4 year max. He has 10 years experience so that’s like $35 million per year.

The last thing you want on the books is an over 30 year old undersized guard making the max. Especially one that isn’t even a perennial all-star.

It’s never a good idea to max out role players like Jrue Holiday, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, Mike Conley, Steven Adams, Nic Batum...etc. Almost immediately those contracts become untradeable.