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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#801 » by ByeByeDre » Wed Sep 2, 2020 5:10 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Imagine if we hit just one instead of getting the following the past 5 drafts (not including last draft):
• Robert Williams - TBD, could turn into a rotation player if he stays healthy
• Semi Ojeleye - easily replaceable
• Kadeem Allen - out of the league (OOTL)
• Jabari Bird - OOTL
• Guerschon Yabusele - OOTL
• Ante Zizic - OOTL
• Demetrius Jackson - OOTL
• Ben Bentil - OOTL
• Abdel Nader - OKC found a use for him; has played 51 total playoff minutes in 3 seasons
• Terry Rozier - this was a good pick, imo; playoff starter in 2018 ECF run
• RJ Hunter - OOTL
• Jordan Mickey - OOTL
• Marcus Thornton - OOTL
• James Young - OOTL


With this in mind, and the fact that you have so many contracts next year, would you do #14,26,30 and Tacko to Detroit for #7? Gives you a chance at a player who can play right away, helps your roster logjam, and helps Detroit rebuild correctly? And Tacko can entertain while the Pistons totally suck next year.......
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#802 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Sep 2, 2020 5:14 am

ByeByeDre wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Imagine if we hit just one instead of getting the following the past 5 drafts (not including last draft):
• Robert Williams - TBD, could turn into a rotation player if he stays healthy
• Semi Ojeleye - easily replaceable
• Kadeem Allen - out of the league (OOTL)
• Jabari Bird - OOTL
• Guerschon Yabusele - OOTL
• Ante Zizic - OOTL
• Demetrius Jackson - OOTL
• Ben Bentil - OOTL
• Abdel Nader - OKC found a use for him; has played 51 total playoff minutes in 3 seasons
• Terry Rozier - this was a good pick, imo; playoff starter in 2018 ECF run
• RJ Hunter - OOTL
• Jordan Mickey - OOTL
• Marcus Thornton - OOTL
• James Young - OOTL


With this in mind, and the fact that you have so many contracts next year, would you do #14,26,30 and Tacko to Detroit for #7? Gives you a chance at a player who can play right away, helps your roster logjam, and helps Detroit rebuild correctly? And Tacko can entertain while the Pistons totally suck next year.......


No, I don't want 7 in this draft. To me this is the perfect draft to be 12-14.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#803 » by SMTBSI » Wed Sep 2, 2020 5:30 am

ByeByeDre wrote:With this in mind, and the fact that you have so many contracts next year, would you do #14,26,30 and Tacko to Detroit for #7? Gives you a chance at a player who can play right away, helps your roster logjam, and helps Detroit rebuild correctly? And Tacko can entertain while the Pistons totally suck next year.......

Our board is pretty split about the value of a tradeup this year. Those that know more about the draft prospects than I seem to think this is the wrong draft to do it in. I think that, in a vacuum, we're in a position where it makes sense.

Who knows what'll happen. But, I find it hard to believe the FO won't take those kinds of phone calls.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#804 » by ByeByeDre » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:00 am

SMTBSI wrote:
ByeByeDre wrote:With this in mind, and the fact that you have so many contracts next year, would you do #14,26,30 and Tacko to Detroit for #7? Gives you a chance at a player who can play right away, helps your roster logjam, and helps Detroit rebuild correctly? And Tacko can entertain while the Pistons totally suck next year.......

Our board is pretty split about the value of a tradeup this year. Those that know more about the draft prospects than I seem to think this is the wrong draft to do it in. I think that, in a vacuum, we're in a position where it makes sense.

Who knows what'll happen. But, I find it hard to believe the FO won't take those kinds of phone calls.


To me, it’s hard to tell which players are going to make it and which ones won’t, but I think the Celtics would benefit from a bigger dart and the Pistons three smaller ones. Also, it doesn’t seem like this is a big year for draft and stash, so unless the C’s trade up, it’s likely they will trade for future picks, which I suppose isn’t the worst thing. But what is a team giving for 26 or 30? A top 22 protected pick that turns into seconds?

On a different note, AWESOME GAME TONIGHT. The quality of play by the final eight teams, plus a couple others, has been amazing. And really, every team has a chance - just depends who gets hot. Winning game 2 with Kemba off is a great sign for the near future....
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Post#805 » by djFan71 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:17 am

ByeByeDre wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:
ByeByeDre wrote:With this in mind, and the fact that you have so many contracts next year, would you do #14,26,30 and Tacko to Detroit for #7? Gives you a chance at a player who can play right away, helps your roster logjam, and helps Detroit rebuild correctly? And Tacko can entertain while the Pistons totally suck next year.......

Our board is pretty split about the value of a tradeup this year. Those that know more about the draft prospects than I seem to think this is the wrong draft to do it in. I think that, in a vacuum, we're in a position where it makes sense.

Who knows what'll happen. But, I find it hard to believe the FO won't take those kinds of phone calls.


To me, it’s hard to tell which players are going to make it and which ones won’t, but I think the Celtics would benefit from a bigger dart and the Pistons three smaller ones. Also, it doesn’t seem like this is a big year for draft and stash, so unless the C’s trade up, it’s likely they will trade for future picks, which I suppose isn’t the worst thing. But what is a team giving for 26 or 30? A top 22 protected pick that turns into seconds?

On a different note, AWESOME GAME TONIGHT. The quality of play by the final eight teams, plus a couple others, has been amazing. And really, every team has a chance - just depends who gets hot. Winning game 2 with Kemba off is a great sign for the near future....

I'd probably counter with 14/26/47 and Poirier with $ to cover him.
You come out a little ahead on the valuation (54 - 50), but take a contract you can deal with or cut without lux tax implications.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2
Not that Pelton is gospel or anything, but it's a useful starting point. And in this being a flat draft it leans in favor of the trade down team, I think.

I don't think we could trade Tacko at draft time. He's an RFA 2-way, so we'd have to sign him first to trade him, I believe, but couldn't until FA starts. I guess you could just agree on it all ahead of time, but it makes it more complicated getting his deal done, etc.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#806 » by Jacobkowal » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:14 am

I'd try to see if we can trade our 14th pick to Memphis for their Utah pick and some of their second rounders. Cant see anyone taking on our 26th and 30th pick in a weak draft for future draft picks.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#807 » by snowman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:39 pm

wrong thread, sorry
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#808 » by snowman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 12:56 pm

Everyone is coming up with Hayward trade ideas, but if we would offer him an extension in place of his option, something like 3 for 90. Would he take it ? We would have to structure it the right way, but it might keep us out of the repeater tax a year early. Start it at 26 next season, saving us 8 mil off the lux tax, second year at 30, and third year at 34. This way, he still gets his 34 mil salary, just a couple years later, and he gets an additional 2 years for 56 mil.
We would be way over the tax in year 2 and and 3 of the contract, but structured this way may keep us out of the repeater tax a year early. This way would also have Kemba and Hayward s contract ending the same time.
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Post#809 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Sep 2, 2020 1:47 pm

Look, Hayward is a very nice player but he's a fifth wheel with a monster contract. Who else can the Celtics trade and get something immediately useful in return?

If Bain Capital is willing to pay luxury tax, I'd offer Hayward and all three picks to Washington for Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes would be another target of mine.
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Post#810 » by Ernest » Wed Sep 2, 2020 1:56 pm

snowman wrote:Everyone is coming up with Hayward trade ideas, but if we would offer him an extension in place of his option, something like 3 for 90. Would he take it ? We would have to structure it the right way, but it might keep us out of the repeater tax a year early. Start it at 26 next season, saving us 8 mil off the lux tax, second year at 30, and third year at 34. This way, he still gets his 34 mil salary, just a couple years later, and he gets an additional 2 years for 56 mil.
We would be way over the tax in year 2 and and 3 of the contract, but structured this way may keep us out of the repeater tax a year early. This way would also have Kemba and Hayward s contract ending the same time.



Maybe. Maybe he can be talked into taking a team friendly deal too. If he still wants to be here given the development of the young players and the prospect of him being a main guy low. But if he does want to be here, maybe he would take less than the absolute most he could get. Especially if he gets the hint that going for the biggest contract possible might get you traded. Small chance but who knows.
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Post#811 » by CeltsfaninDC » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:10 pm

I've scanned through the last few pages because I was certain that someone would've already figured this out, but.....

How do we trade Gordon for Mitchell?
Gordon gets to go home to Utah, We get Brown's new BFF and sign him to a long term deal and run with Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Mitchell.
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Post#812 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:30 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:I've scanned through the last few pages because I was certain that someone would've already figured this out, but.....

How do we trade Gordon for Mitchell?
Gordon gets to go home to Utah, We get Brown's new BFF and sign him to a long term deal and run with Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Mitchell.


Not practical or realistic, IMO. But I do think we could get Mitchell down the line potentially. Seems the connection is there with Brown.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#813 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:41 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Look, Hayward is a very nice player but he's a fifth wheel with a monster contract. Who else can the Celtics trade and get something immediately useful in return?

If Bain Capital is willing to pay luxury tax, I'd offer Hayward and all three picks to Washington for Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes would be another target of mine.


No chance on Beal. Hayward doesn't have value in that kind of deal for a superstar. Teams moving high picks and top players ant long term pieces. Not Hayward.

Definitely think we could do a Harrison Barnes for Hayward deal. I think SAC would be cool to escape that 3 year money. For us, we give up Hayward's playmaking for a little better defense and maintain the good shooting. Downgrade in player though so I just don't see the point in that.
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Post#814 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:41 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:I've scanned through the last few pages because I was certain that someone would've already figured this out, but.....

How do we trade Gordon for Mitchell?
Gordon gets to go home to Utah, We get Brown's new BFF and sign him to a long term deal and run with Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Mitchell.


Not practical or realistic, IMO. But I do think we could get Mitchell down the line potentially. Seems the connection is there with Brown.


It’s too bad he won’t be a free agent in 2023 we could get him here imo
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Post#815 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:41 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Look, Hayward is a very nice player but he's a fifth wheel with a monster contract. Who else can the Celtics trade and get something immediately useful in return?

If Bain Capital is willing to pay luxury tax, I'd offer Hayward and all three picks to Washington for Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes would be another target of mine.



To get beal the convo starts with Jaylen brown
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Post#816 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:45 pm

Yeah, let's just move on from salivating over Donovan Mitchell for now. It's not happening.
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Put it like this... If Hayward was on another team right now, would you trade them Tatum for Gordon++? Or even Tatum for Brown++?

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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#817 » by snowman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:46 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Look, Hayward is a very nice player but he's a fifth wheel with a monster contract. Who else can the Celtics trade and get something immediately useful in return?

If Bain Capital is willing to pay luxury tax, I'd offer Hayward and all three picks to Washington for Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes would be another target of mine.



To get beal the convo starts with Jaylen brown


Then I don't want to have that conversation.
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Post#818 » by CeltsfaninDC » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:47 pm

MagicBagley18 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
CeltsfaninDC wrote:I've scanned through the last few pages because I was certain that someone would've already figured this out, but.....

How do we trade Gordon for Mitchell?
Gordon gets to go home to Utah, We get Brown's new BFF and sign him to a long term deal and run with Kemba, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Mitchell.


Not practical or realistic, IMO. But I do think we could get Mitchell down the line potentially. Seems the connection is there with Brown.


It’s too bad he won’t be a free agent in 2023 we could get him here imo


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882734-jazz-reporter-donovan-mitchell-will-sign-new-max-contract-before-next-season
https://kslsports.com/439108/jalen-rose-doesnt-see-mitchell-stay-in-utah-long-term/
Mitchell is eligible to sign a max extension with the Jazz this upcoming offseason, However, the deal won’t go into effect until the summer of 2021.


I think this Fall is actually the right and possibly only time to get him here.
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Post#819 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:48 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Not practical or realistic, IMO. But I do think we could get Mitchell down the line potentially. Seems the connection is there with Brown.


It’s too bad he won’t be a free agent in 2023 we could get him here imo


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882734-jazz-reporter-donovan-mitchell-will-sign-new-max-contract-before-next-season
https://kslsports.com/439108/jalen-rose-doesnt-see-mitchell-stay-in-utah-long-term/
Mitchell is eligible to sign a max extension with the Jazz this upcoming offseason, However, the deal won’t go into effect until the summer of 2021.


I think this Fall is actually the right and possibly only time to get him here.


He’s getting a max extension in 6 weeks
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#820 » by MagicBagley18 » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:49 pm

snowman wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:Look, Hayward is a very nice player but he's a fifth wheel with a monster contract. Who else can the Celtics trade and get something immediately useful in return?

If Bain Capital is willing to pay luxury tax, I'd offer Hayward and all three picks to Washington for Bradley Beal. Harrison Barnes would be another target of mine.



To get beal the convo starts with Jaylen brown


Then I don't want to have that conversation.


I would but either way Hayward and picks gets u laughed at

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