2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[AussieBuck]

Can someone explain me Budenholzer's rotations like I'm five?

Not a Bud hater but for sure a doubter. Helps if I know what your issue is. The problem he has that is out of his control somewhat is that Bledsoe is injured, Hill has kinda checked out/is distracted and Donte just bizarrely forgot how to basketball. To an outsider it may seem like I'm talking about marginal dudes but while we all assumed that maybe Bled would do his playoff **** the bed, him being injured is a disaster. George Hill just isn't here on either side of the ball and he's been one of our two guards who can dribble, pass and shoot at a competent level. As such his +/- has been super, duper star like. Similarly Donte usually can dribble, pass and shoot and also has a monstrous, near Giannis level +/- because he provides all the things that allow Brook to not be a defensive liability and lets Giannis not have to hang out 25+ feet from the basket making sure we can start sets.

So the guard stuff is a big issue because although we have a rep for having a deep team, those guys are about it as far as guards that are in any way dynamic. We're trying Pat Conaughton at PG right now out of desperation.

My main critique is that we aren't running bulk minutes of Middleton/Marvin/Giannis at 3/4/5. I've been waiting for this to me a consistent thing and just assumed that Marvin as backup 4 was just a regular season thing to get him in touch with what we do. However at this point it seems that Bud just wants to have a mobile PF to do a poor man's version filling the space to cover the slow 5 man in the drop defense in the pick and roll. This is a madenning fill in Giannis role that you might think of when you'r set on Giannis playing 2/3 of the game. It's just a waste of the only other mobile big you have in the playoffs though.

The other main criticism I have of things that aren't out of the coaching staff's control is that we play actual live playoff minutes with neither Giannis or Middleton on the floor at a time when we have zero in-form other play makers on the court.

My last criticism is the overly conservative strategy of holding guys out with foul trouble guaranteeing they miss bulk minutes rather than playing them and possibly having them foul out. This seems more of an entrenched stupid coaching thing rather than a specific one but either way it is maddening.

Oh also now that I'm on a roll it is crazy that at no point in either this or the Toronto series that we thought to put our DPOY on the main guy on the other team that is best limited by putting someone on them who isn't at a physical disadvantage. Giannis should have been guarding Butler in the 4th rather than hoping he can cheat off the corner three defense enough to help out. It was planned for and didn't help./

[Jordan Syndrome]

There are still questions of a deep playoff run with Nikola TBH

Hes proven hes an extremely resilient and alltime level offensive player in the playoffs

but his defense is still an issue

his teams have gone 7 games in every series of his career. His bad rim protection and pick and roll defense will always be hunted in the playoffs unless he improves alot

and FTR Murray and Mitchell were still the 2 best players of the series

Murray wasn't better than Jokic in this series overall.

What do u mean by overall? Are you implying Jokic made a positive impact on defense?

Murray won them 3 games in the 4th quarter/ot averaging like 15PPG on absurd percentages in them

Jokic completely dominated game 7 and specially the 2nd half and game winner

For the series

Murray
31.6/5.6/6.3 on .682ts
+1.7 on court, +24.9 on/off


Jokic
26.3/8.1/5.4 on .624ts
-6.2 on court, -9.1 on/off

Having watched the entire series, these numbers are misleading, notably the on/off splits.

Utah played Gobert just about every single minute when Jokic was on the floor. The same is not the case for Murray and Gobert.

[Clyde Frazier]

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[parsnips33]

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Curry

God could you imagine his numbers if he weren't such a choker in the playoffs

[MyUniBroDavis]

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Curry

God could you imagine his numbers if he weren't such a choker in the playoffs

I mean tbf currys thing is he struggles more against switch heavy teams imo, and so far he hasnt had a finals mvp in terms of narrative

Looking back at it though he was kinda fire in the 2015 finals outside of game 2

[MyUniBroDavis]

Why is the off topic thread still locked lmao

[MyUniBroDavis]

Got synergy sports data on 2014 durant

He was actually broken lmfao if only he was a good passer

[GSP]

Got synergy sports data on 2014 durant

He was actually broken lmfao if only he was a good passer

I thought he was a good passer that season. The pick and pop with Serge was money

Do u have the numbers on u?

Its wild the cast he was working with that season with Russ out

Serge, Reggie, Thabo, Lamb, Perkins, Derek Fisher

[MyUniBroDavis]

Got synergy sports data on 2014 durant

He was actually broken lmfao if only he was a good passer

I thought he was a good passer that season. The pick and pop with Serge was money

Do u have the numbers on u?

Its wild the cast he was working with that season with Russ out

Serge, Reggie, Thabo, Lamb, Perkins, Derek Fisher

In the pick and roll when he passed it out (and he ran pick and roll as ball handler more than isos) he had a turnover percentage of 19.4% (kobes was around 15% for comparison)

His offense in single coverage was ridiculous percentile wise (95th, higher than hardens outlier years) whereas it was more in the rabge of the 60s when he was doubled (relative to others being doubled)

Also kobes post up game was kind of absurd lol, it was significantly better than duncan and garnetts and even beat out dirk a few years. Ofc this is only effeciency wise volume wise they annihilate him.

Something I did find interesting was Kobe was the only player out of the ones i saw (hes the only one i looked at nearly every year for, but the other guys i looked up were bron/wade/pierce/durant) that had waaaaay more iso possessions than pick roll ones. (Bron had more iso ones to but not nearly by as much). Granted, he was stupid good at it but he was really good at both (in fact percentile wise his pick and roll offense as a whole, including pass outs, was on par with 09 wade percentile wise) so i wonder how he would have played in those circumstances

Also he had like 600-800 isos a year and only 10-15 a year were mismatches out of the years available lmfao

[MyUniBroDavis]

Its interesting to see how much transition opportunities effect fg percentage

Kobe didnt (and tbf couldnt) go in transition as much as wade and lebron did, but he didnt really do it much at all for a volume scorer. His actual halfcourt effeciency is really good, his 08 and 09 years both being more effecient than lebron and wades 08 and 09 years (2010 bron is the highest out of all of their 2008-2010 half court offenses)

Kobes overall pick and roll offense (including passing) being on par with wades really shocked me though

[GSP]

Its interesting to see how much transition opportunities effect fg percentage

Kobe didnt (and tbf couldnt) go in transition as much as wade and lebron did, but he didnt really do it much at all for a volume scorer. His actual halfcourt effeciency is really good, his 08 and 09 years both being more effecient than lebron and wades 08 and 09 years (2010 bron is the highest out of all of their 2008-2010 half court offenses)

Kobes overall pick and roll offense (including passing) being on par with wades really shocked me though

Really wouldve liked to have seen Kobe and Wade in this era with spacing specially Kobe

That team that went 3 straight finals was big and had the advatantage with their size but their spacing was cheeks. Radmonovic was the only real spacer they had and Kobe had strong offensive numbers in those lineups with him

[MyUniBroDavis]

Its interesting to see how much transition opportunities effect fg percentage

Kobe didnt (and tbf couldnt) go in transition as much as wade and lebron did, but he didnt really do it much at all for a volume scorer. His actual halfcourt effeciency is really good, his 08 and 09 years both being more effecient than lebron and wades 08 and 09 years (2010 bron is the highest out of all of their 2008-2010 half court offenses)

Kobes overall pick and roll offense (including passing) being on par with wades really shocked me though

Really wouldve liked to have seen Kobe and Wade in this era with spacing specially Kobe

That team that went 3 straight finals was big and had the advatantage with their size but their spacing was cheeks. Radmonovic was the only real spacer they had and Kobe had strong offensive numbers in those lineups with him

And the one year where kobe did have spacing he went off (2013) despite being on a heavy decline

It makes me reevaluate where he and wade peak for sure. It looks like he was simultaneously born at the time when the best wings were in the league, and the rules sucked for them. At the very least the trends caused by the 06 rule changes to reverse the illegal defense stuff didnt apply to kobe at all, it made penetration easier/more accurate for most wings but this didnt happen with kobe at all

All things considered, I cant think of 5 offensive players id take over him. I mean the main knock on him seems to be his impact offensively wasnt clearcut the best in the league, but this mainly comes feom the fact most top level offenses are built around enhancing a stars strengths while kobes was built on surviving through his if that makes sense

I mean offensively hes probably the GOAT offensive floor raiser of completely disjointed parts (lebrons teams sucked without him but were built with him as the engine, doesnt make it any less impressive though) and I could see him having GOAT tier offensive impact under roles more like hardens or lukas (more catered to kobe of course).

Wade being the slasher he is would be hilarious today too lol

Even putting them into a time like the 90s, it seems like high scoring wings were just way more effecient in those times. Some of the top scoring wings throughout jordans first three peat were actually around him effeciency wise

And i heard the triangle became alot weaker the mkment illegal D became a thing. Not saying kobe or wade>jordan or anything but it does make me curious that maybe the 2000s were the worst time for high iso wings in general impact wise, in a typical offense that is

[Heej]

Bucks defense picked up after that trash 1Q

[freethedevil]

If the bucks lose, giannis needs to join the mavs and KD himself into goathood. Weak defenses, No big bad rim protectors, volume shooting with goat like effiency and spacing.

[Heej]

If the bucks lose, giannis needs to join the mavs and KD himself into goathood. Weak defenses, No big bad rim protectors, volume shooting with goat like effiency and spacing.

Honestly what I'm seeing is guys like Wes Mathews will get the kickout and record scratch the offense cuz they can't attack the closeout. Bucks gotta stop looking at this like a man defense. Any time Giannis has the ball up top it essentially just morphs into a 3-2 zone and they're not carving it up at all with backcuts and attacking closeouts.

I'm usually not one to get on coaching adjustments cuz we don't know jack but I'm starting to buy what people say about Bud

[Joey Wheeler]

Why are people talking as if the Bucks are contenders? No team with Giannis as its best offensive player can win in the playoffs, the Lakers should be hoping it's somehow the Bucks that come out of the East, but don't see much chance of that happening.

[freethedevil]

Why are people talking as if the Bucks are contenders? No team with Giannis as its best offensive player can win in the playoffs, the Lakers should be hoping it's somehow the Bucks that come out of the East, but don't see much chance of that happening.

THe bucks were literally the second best team in the nba last postseason. Do you live in a cave?

[MyUniBroDavis]

GIANNIS WITH THE 1000 IQ PLAY

[MyUniBroDavis]

Why are people talking as if the Bucks are contenders? No team with Giannis as its best offensive player can win in the playoffs, the Lakers should be hoping it's somehow the Bucks that come out of the East, but don't see much chance of that happening.

Lol ngl u cant say that and be afraid of westbrook bro

[TheGOATRises007]

Both fouls were non-fouls to me.

That foul on Dragic might have been one of the worst calls I've ever seen.