2020 Draft Thread

[Scoots1994]

I'm staking my entire reputation on Patrick Williams...

So, nothing down.

[xdrta+]

Let's review for a few of the ones who don't understand my posts and then call me dumb.

Who called you dumb, and where?

[jason bourne]

Let's review for a few of the ones who don't understand my posts and then call me dumb.

Who called you dumb, and where?

Here's one page -- viewtopic.php?t=1987404&start=60.

If Wiseman came back and showed that he developed like Okongwu, who has the same weaknesses as Wiseman, over the course of a season at Memphis and actually opened more eyes, then I still wouldn't pick him as a keeper . He would be more of a trade bait tho.

[KevinMcreynolds]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

idk, I tend to believe it. The beat reporters we have right now are all newbies trying to make their mark. I doubt they want to start out by making up fake rumors.

[Little Digger]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

idk, I tend to believe it. The beat reporters we have right now are all newbies trying to make their mark. I doubt they want to start out by making up fake rumors.

Tim Kamakazi is the KING of multiple sauces..Maybe he’s advising all the young pups?

[KevinMcreynolds]

The Warriors never said they weren’t interested in Wiseman or Ball.

You’re buying into clickbait reporting.....again.

idk, I tend to believe it. The beat reporters we have right now are all newbies trying to make their mark. I doubt they want to start out by making up fake rumors.

Tim Kamakazi is the KING of multiple sauces..Maybe he’s advising all the young pups?

His only minion is that weasel Ethan Strauss. Those two are the king of clickbait doucheyness.

[Coxy]

I'm staking my entire reputation on Patrick Williams...

So, nothing down.

[KevinMcreynolds]

I'm staking my entire reputation on Patrick Williams...

So, nothing down.

[SF_Warriors]

I wouldn't take a low ceiling instant role player with the #2 pick. It's so hard to get a top 2 pick. Amazingly even with the number of bad years we had pre-West the last time we picked in the top 5 was in 2002 with Mike Dunleavy. Peja was destroying teams from outside and was right up the road and I think that was the hope behind Dunleavy.

But the last time we picked in the top 2 was in 1995, it's not often. Look at the Knicks annual draft position disappointment. Just looking at that 1995 draft it's fascinating that we went 1st and yet the next four picks were all all-stars. That would be rough if we got a role player and next four guys chosen after became all-stars.

#2 picks the past 20 drafts...

2000: Stromile Swift
2001: Tyson chandler
2002: Jay Williams
2003: Darko Miličić
2004: Emeka Okafor
2005: Marvin Williams
2006: LaMarcus Aldridge
2007: Kevin Durant
2008: Michael Beasley
2009: Hasheem Thabeet
2010: Evan Turner
2011: Derrick Williams
2012: MKG
2013: Victor Oladipo
2014: Jabari Parker
2015: DLo
2016: Brandon Ingram
2017: Lonzo Ball
2018: Marvin Bagley
2019: Ja Morant

Just total crap besides KD...trade the pick for the magical 7 slot...

4 out of the past 7 #2 picks have made the all star team, or look like they will (Morant)

Oladipo, dlo, ingram were all stars..and morant definitely should be one sooner or later.

With that said, the big concern is that those guys except for Ja took years to develop.

[ShayDee]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907034-how-to-spot-an-nba-draft-bust

No Bankable Skill

Versatility is a key selling point in today's NBA, but teams have to be careful about chasing it and reaching for players who check boxes without checking any in bold.

While players who can do a little of everything are attractive, those who don't have a specialty strength to lean on are vulnerable. Today's league is a skilled league; athleticism isn't enough.

Recent first-round disappointments (relative to where they were picked) who originally stood out for their physical tools and potential versatility include Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony Bennett, Dante Exum, Mario Hezonja, Trey Lyles, Stanley Johnson, Dragan Bender, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Josh Jackson and DJ Wilson.

They didn't have one bankable skill.

The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton

I have mentioned these set of players before that I'm wary about.
Deni: Just do not draft him at 2, it will be stupid
Okoro: Draymond's existence eliminates the thought of drafting him, I will not accept risking spacing on this team
Precious: Offensive IQ is really really bad, He does everything else(apart from passing although he showed flashes)
Patrick Williams: I keep saying he is far from Kawhi when he came out, his defense is overrated, although he is a good prospect, he will not help us in 3 years
Hampton: Well idk how anyone likes him, he has no skill whatsoever

[azwfan]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907034-how-to-spot-an-nba-draft-bust

No Bankable Skill

Versatility is a key selling point in today's NBA, but teams have to be careful about chasing it and reaching for players who check boxes without checking any in bold.

While players who can do a little of everything are attractive, those who don't have a specialty strength to lean on are vulnerable. Today's league is a skilled league; athleticism isn't enough.

Recent first-round disappointments (relative to where they were picked) who originally stood out for their physical tools and potential versatility include Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Anthony Bennett, Dante Exum, Mario Hezonja, Trey Lyles, Stanley Johnson, Dragan Bender, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Josh Jackson and DJ Wilson.

They didn't have one bankable skill.

The "master of none" prospects in the 2020 draft to worry about include potential lottery picks Deni Avdija, Isaac Okoro, Precious Achiuwa, Patrick Williams and RJ Hampton

I have mentioned these set of players before that I'm wary about.
Deni: Just do not draft him at 2, it will be stupid
Okoro: Draymond's existence eliminates the thought of drafting him, I will not accept risking spacing on this team
Precious: Offensive IQ is really really bad, He does everything else(apart from passing although he showed flashes)
Patrick Williams: I keep saying he is far from Kawhi when he came out, his defense is overrated, although he is a good prospect, he will not help us in 3 years
Hampton: Well idk how anyone likes him, he has no skill whatsoever

Saw some interview with Mullin and he seemed to LOVE precious. Said something about Precious having work habits since he was (dont remember the age but think it was 14 or something).

[ShayDee]

Also Watching the heat, I still very much stand by my board on who the warriors should seriously consider. But 1 change is Deni is lower now
1. Wiseman: He is skilled enough to start. He can help us now with Blocking shots, Rebounding, Hitting open midrange, Runs the floor very well, Rim running, Lob threat, Finishing. We can teach him to pass the first year, we taught Chriss and Spellman when they had no feel for passing and they did well when they came here. Give him a chance to learn the first year before the playoffs

2. Edwards: If the FO believe they have something to work with pick him. He can score, but not efficiently. Poole could sort of score in college but not efficiently, when he came into our system he was way worse than he was in college. I fear the same happen to Edwards. He is not a movement shooter. Doesn't have the offensive IQ to take good shots he can make. He doesn't pass, Doesn't move offball often, doesn't care to defend. Just many many many more questions than Wiseman. He will be very inefficient in the first few months and people will call him a bust, be prepared. But another ball handler with a threat to score is always good. Look at Herro with the heat

After these 2. No other prospect in the top 10 enamors me. They all have questions I am not willing to figure out in this championship run. So with That I pick higher floor players with extreme skill that will play crunch time minutes with our team. I will lean towards higher IQ players

3. Saddiq Bey: His only weaknesses are his athleticism, burst, not tight enough handle, will struggle to beat his man, Doesn't rebound well. He does everything else. People might not have noticed, but he is a very good passer, with high vision. Averaged more assists than turnovers, indicates high IQ. He can post up smaller players, when the double comes he will find his open man. He can shoot, can move offball, can handle a bit, shows extreme effort defensively even though his athleticism might betray him a bit. He has low block/steal % which might be a red flag for someone with his exceptional measurable 6'8 6'11 wingspan. But he is Just a player that will be ready to help us immediately

4. Desmond Bane: Almost the same analysis as Bey. He is shorter(6'5-6'6) and has a negative Wingspan(6'4), Worse measurables compared to Bey right? Let me shock you
Bey:

Bane:
He rebounds far better than a 6'8, 6'11 wingspan player, he steals more, blocks more, he assists more, although more turnovers but he averaged 4 assists, 2 turnovers as a SG, Which is the highest among NCAA players in the first round. extremely high IQ. He also has an NBA ready body. He is a literal unit, so no need development there, He defends, shows extreme effort there, never takes plays off. And I have not even mentioned his elite skill. In my opinion he is the best shooter in the draft, even if he has a catapult like form. He can shoot it literally is every way possible and very efficiently at that, off screens, movement, open, corner, top of key, off the dribble, going left, going right, pull up. The whole package. He will play crunch time minutes for us if all these skills translate. He might be a Steph/Klay level shooter and he might be a better shooter than Duncan Robinson, I say that because he can shoot it off the dribble which Duncan can't. Extremely high floor, although he might already be close to his peak because he is a senior and is 22, but he is a young senior because he just turned 22 in June. Steph, Klay, Draymond were all old players coming out of college. Had the same weaknesses as Bane, look at them now

5. Aaron Nesmith: Only reason I have him here is his shooting. We need shooting on this team, and it is evident. The FO have always been looking for shooters if you guys haven't noticed. I think they wanted shooters in the 2018 draft, like Troy Brown? Jerome Robinson, Shamet, Kevin Huerter, none of them dropped so we settled for Evans with no skills, look how that turned out. 2019 I think they were targeting Cam Johnson, Chuma Okeke, Thybulle? Dylan Windler, none of them dropped so we settle for Poole who didn't put up efficient stats in college and he struggled hitting shots Curry and Klay can make. We went out to try Mulder, had 1 good game but not good other games, We got Quinn last year, he sucked, we got Lee this year, not consistent. We need a reliable shooter on the team that is not Steph/Klay, it just opens things up for the rest of the team. He has more weaknesses than the other shooters though. He doesn't pass, doesn't have much game inside the arc, bad decision maker, wonky dribbler, man defense is questionable but he is a good help defender, has good size(6'6, 6'10 Wingspan), NBA ready body. In crunch time minutes he will be a decoy for Steph, Klay and Dray and cause alot of defenses to collapse like Duncan Robinson does for the heat

6. Okongwu: Not going to say much about him. He is redundant because we have so many similar players on our team. We need a C with more size and offensive game. But if people think he is the next Bam(i doubt it, next Ekpe Udoh) and Will defend bigger wings and bigs in this league as well as guards in crunch time then he will be an ok pick. I just don't think he will start ahead of Chriss/Looney

7. Deni: I was higher on him but he has dropped a bit(might rise later). One thing I started to think about, recency Bias is a thing. No other prospect has got a chance to show improvement. It is extremely unfair to make him jump everyone so suddenly. The reason I have him this lower is his ball handling and decision making. He has the brains, he just doesn't have the skills. I'm not sure about his offball movement, not a good movement shooter, very very bad FT shooter, He turns the ball over more than he assists, he sometimes plays out of control(common trend among lottery euro guys). Thing about him is he has quickness and agility and size advantage against his opponent. So he will almost always be a mismatch. I see a mixture of Hezonja + Saric with him. Is that the prospect we want at 2 or top 4? I would have Bolmaro over him if he was a better shooter

8. Vassell: He is much lower because Although a good defender, he is a worse scorer than the guys above him in my opinion. That might change because he had had time to work on his game, but it's silly to think the other guys above him won't improve. Alot of people love his shooting, but you need to be careful. He reminds me of Mikal Bridges so much, but Mikal was a far better prospect coming out, far far better. He shot 42% in the 2 years in college, but he did not take many attempts. his FT numbers are also on the lower side, that's a red flag with how his shot will translate. He is not a passer, although he almost didn't turn the ball over. He is a bit on the lean side so he needs to develop his body because he will not be able to defend 3s in the NBA and people will be disappointed. He gambles alot on steals, but he mostly succeeds than not. Reminds me of Iggy with his good hands for steals. He does everything else that is why he is a good prospect

I will be content will all of these guys in the first round, but the guys I like the best are Bane and Wiseman. I'm all in on Bane and I want the FO to do everything possible to acquire him even if it means giving away a future protected pick and I will be really really pissed if a team like the Bucks, Philly, Lakers, Mavs get him

[ShayDee]

How Chris Paul is abusing Covington is how guards are going to abuse Patrick Williams. The thing is Williams is not the 3point shooter that Covington is, so we should be very wary of him

[Mav_Carter]

Also Watching the heat, I still very much stand by my board on who the warriors should seriously consider. But 1 change is Deni is lower now
1. Wiseman: He is skilled enough to start. He can help us now with Blocking shots, Rebounding, Hitting open midrange, Runs the floor very well, Rim running, Lob threat, Finishing. We can teach him to pass the first year, we taught Chriss and Spellman when they had no feel for passing and they did well when they came here. Give him a chance to learn the first year before the playoffs

2. Edwards: If the FO believe they have something to work with pick him. He can score, but not efficiently. Poole could sort of score in college but not efficiently, when he came into our system he was way worse than he was in college. I fear the same happen to Edwards. He is not a movement shooter. Doesn't have the offensive IQ to take good shots he can make. He doesn't pass, Doesn't move offball often, doesn't care to defend. Just many many many more questions than Wiseman. He will be very inefficient in the first few months and people will call him a bust, be prepared. But another ball handler with a threat to score is always good. Look at Herro with the heat

After these 2. No other prospect in the top 10 enamors me. They all have questions I am not willing to figure out in this championship run. So with That I pick higher floor players with extreme skill that will play crunch time minutes with our team. I will lean towards higher IQ players

3. Saddiq Bey: His only weaknesses are his athleticism, burst, not tight enough handle, will struggle to beat his man, Doesn't rebound well. He does everything else. People might not have noticed, but he is a very good passer, with high vision. Averaged more assists than turnovers, indicates high IQ. He can post up smaller players, when the double comes he will find his open man. He can shoot, can move offball, can handle a bit, shows extreme effort defensively even though his athleticism might betray him a bit. He has low block/steal % which might be a red flag for someone with his exceptional measurable 6'8 6'11 wingspan. But he is Just a player that will be ready to help us immediately

4. Desmond Bane: Almost the same analysis as Bey. He is shorter(6'5-6'6) and has a negative Wingspan(6'4), Worse measurables compared to Bey right? Let me shock you
Bey:

Bane:
He rebounds far better than a 6'8, 6'11 wingspan player, he steals more, blocks more, he assists more, although more turnovers but he averaged 4 assists, 2 turnovers as a SG, Which is the highest among NCAA players in the first round. extremely high IQ. He also has an NBA ready body. He is a literal unit, so no need development there, He defends, shows extreme effort there, never takes players off. And I have not even mentioned his elite skill. In my opinion he is the best shooter in the draft, even if he has a catapult like form. He can shoot it literally is every way possible and very efficiently at that, off screens, movement, open, corner, top of key, off the dribble, going left, going right, pull up. The whole package. He will play crunch time minutes for us if all these skills translate. He might be a Steph/Klay level shooter and he might be a better shooter than Duncan Robinson, I say that because he can shoot it off the dribble which Duncan can't. Extremely high floor, although he might already be close to his peak because he is a senior and is 22, but he is a young senior because he just turned 22 in June. Steph, Klay, Draymond were all old players coming out of college. Had the same weaknesses as Bane, look at them now

5. Aaron Nesmith: Only reason I have him here is his shooting. We need shooting on this team, and it is evident. The FO have always been looking for shooters if you guys haven't noticed. I think they wanted shooters in the 2018 draft, like Troy Brown? Jerome Robinson, Shamet, Kevin Huerter, none of them dropped so we settled for Evans with no skills, look how that turned out. 2019 I think they were targeting Cam Johnson, Chuma Okeke, Thybulle? Dylan Windler, none of them dropped so we settle for Poole who didn't put up efficient stats in college and he struggled hitting shots Curry and Klay can make. We went out to try Mulder, had 1 good game but not good other games, We got Quinn last year, he sucked, we got Lee this year, not consistent. We need a reliable shooter on the team that is not Steph/Klay, it just opens things up for the rest of the team. He has more weaknesses than the other shooters though. He doesn't pass, doesn't have much game inside the arc, bad decision maker, wonky dribbler, man defense is questionable but he is a good help defender, has good size(6'6, 6'10 Wingspan), NBA ready body. In crunch time minutes he will be a decoy for Steph, Klay and Dray and cause alot of defenses to collapse like Duncan Robinson does for the heat

6. Okongwu: Not going to say much about him. He is redundant because we have so many similar players on our team. We need a C with more size and offensive game. But if people think he is the next Bam(i doubt it, next Ekpe Udoh) and Will defend bigger wings and bigs in this league as well as guards in crunch time then he will be an ok pick. I just don't think he will start ahead of Chriss/Looney

7. Deni: I was higher on him but he has dropped a bit(might rise later). One thing I started to think about, recency Bias is a thing. No other prospect has got a chance to show improvement. It is extremely unfair to make him jump everyone so suddenly. The reason I have him this lower is his ball handling and decision making. He has the brains, he just doesn't have the skills. I'm not sure about his offball movement, not a good movement shooter, very very bad FT shooter, He turns the ball over more than he assists, he sometimes plays out of control(common trend among lottery euro guys). Thing about him is he has quickness and agility and size advantage against his opponent. So he will almost always be a mismatch. I see a mixture of Hezonja + Saric with him. Is that the prospect we want at 2 or top 4? I would have Bolmaro over him if he was a better shooter

8. Vassell: He is much lower because Although a good defender, he is a worse scorer than the guys above him in my opinion. That might change because he had had time to work on his game, but it's silly to think the other guys above him won't improve. Alot of people love his shooting, but you need to be careful. He reminds me of Mikal Bridges so much, but Mikal was a far better prospect coming out, far far better. He shot 42% in the 2 years in college, but he did not take many attempts. his FT numbers are also on the lower side, that's a red flag with how his shot will translate. He is not a passer, although he almost didn't turn the ball over. He is a bit on the lean side so he needs to develop his body because he will not be able to defend 3s in the NBA and people will be disappointed. He gambles alot on steals, but he mostly succeeds than not. Reminds me of Iggy with his good hands for steals. He does everything else that is why he is a good prospect

I will be content will all of these guys in the first round, but the guys I like the best are Bane and Wiseman. I'm all in on Bane and I want the FO to do everything possible to acquire him even if it means giving away a future protected pick and I will be really really pissed if a team like the Bucks, Philly, Lakers, Mavs get him

Can you please do one of these for Patrick Williams?

[Mylie10]

How Chris Paul is abusing Covington is how guards are going to abuse Patrick Williams. The thing is Williams is not the 3point shooter that Covington is, so we should be very wary of him

Well when it counted tonight, Paul passed out of the important shots with Covington on him. So while Paul has made some amazing creative shots, it’s not like Covington is some scrub that didn’t make him work for it.

[ShayDee]

Can you please do one of these for Patrick Williams?

Well I can add a few more guys discussed here

Okoro: Close to the same with Vassell but different prospects. He is a good player for certain teams, 6'6, NBA ready Body, very strong for his size(6'6, 6'9 ws), athletic, intelligent, high motor, various intangibles you want from a defense first wing player, maybe if our team was built differently like having a tall stretch 4 or if we still had KD, or a back up PG that can score and initiate offense, but we don't. His main weakness is he isn't a good spot up shooter at the moment, evident from his low % from 3, low attempts and bad FT%. In our team we only have 2 players you can count on to hit an open shot, and they are from the starting lineup. The way the league i snow, if you cannot score or put pressure on the defense to cause double teams/overhelping, you are a liability. Like I mentioned he has good body control, athleticism, finishing at the rim, ok ball handling, but it is not enough. He passes, but averaged the same turnovers as assists, indicates bad decision making. For comparison Iguodala in college averaged 4 assists and 2 turnovers. His numbers say he isn't that much of a perimeter defender, in the sense that he doesn't generate steals, but watching film shows he is capable, so I'm not sure about that. He also fouls a lot. That should also be a red flag that he might not be able to stay on the floor long. Look at Thybulle for the Sixers, doesn't get much minutes because of these same reasons. I have my doubts about him. But alot of people say he is hard working, so we will see in a few years

Patrick Williams: I might not write much about him, he didn't really show much in college but I like him as a prospect, just like alot of scouts. First, he is very young, maybe the youngest of the NCAA prospects coming out, so indicates some sort of high ceiling. Next, he has size, 6'8 with 6'11 wingspan, you can't teach size for a wing. On top of it all he can defend, or he has shown the willingness and ability to try and guard every position on the floor. He succeeds more than he fails with that also. He also can create some sort of a shot, more so than Okoro if we compare. A bit of a pull up game and midrange, good form, really good FT numbers, just like Kawhi in college right?So then why isn't he the #1 prospect. Well although he defends very well, has High IQ on the defensive end, good athleticism, he has slow feet. He cannot stay in front of faster/good ball handling players. That's not a good sign for someone touted as an elite defender. Stiff hips, slow footed, but like I mentioned he has the IQ on the defensive end, to rotate, help, be in the right position, contest without fouling, block shots, get some steals with his length. He has an NBA ready body and strength but he will need to work on his body further to unlock his full defensive potential. Although I said he is a good shot creator, he still wasn't a good 3point shooter, it is still a long work in progress but if he can knock down FTs, I have faith he will at least be a respectable corner 3 point shooting threat. He also has decent handles, but he does not create for others, will have to learn the game a lot more. Although athletic like I mentioned, sometimes he does not finish at the rim well at all. He plays like he can't jump sometimes, and sometimes gets blocked. All in all a good prospect, just don't know how much he will contribute in his first year

[Mav_Carter]

I want to see the rest of Williams measurables so we know how athletic he is...I want to see how big his hands are and what his standing vert is...

[Mylie10]

I have to lol every time a poster says something like, “So and so has stiff hips” Lol

[TB]

I have to lol every time a poster says something like, “So and so has stiff hips” Lol

To be fair, I think everyone can agree Looney has stiff hips. Although they may have been replaced with less stiff hips.

[Mylie10]

I have to lol every time a poster says something like, “So and so has stiff hips” Lol

To be fair, I think everyone can agree Looney has stiff hips. Although they may have been replaced with less stiff hips.

I’m not pointing to the hips comment based on injury issues. It’s just that we as posters can judge a guys jump shot and see how he dribbles the ball. We can watch and then look at the numbers in rebounding, etc.

But stiff hips? Lol

Just some of the stuff that a normal poster will say just sounds ridiculous. Now that could have been pulled from a draft or scouting source, but I laugh at some of those sources as well, based on some of the things they come up with. It’s bs.