Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[vincecarter4pres]

So I'd like to expound on DarkXaero's list, and also narrow things down.
Let's only look at realistic trade targets in varying degrees.
Then let's also look at free agent possibilities in a couple categories.
S&T's are obviously not the most likely, they potentially hardcap us.
Categorizations were done not only by motivation/likelihood the other team would trade said player, but if we'd be interested based on need, want and salary cap implications/ability to even trade for.
A lot of these players would be secondary targets after an initial, bigger move was made.


***Please notify me about any errors or omissions I've made, this post will be updated as such***


Trade Targets

Very Realistic:

Guards/Wings:
Jrue Holiday
Victor Oladipo
Otto Porter
Terrence Ross
Gary Harris

Tweeners:
Rudy Gay

Big Men:
LaMarcus Aldridge

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Realistic:

Guards/Wings:
Kelly Oubre Jr.
Lonzo Ball
Buddy Hield

Tweeners:
Keita Bates-Diop
Harrison Barnes
Aaron Gordon

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Reasonably Realistic:

Guards/Wings:
Bradley Beal
Josh Richardson
Norman Powell
Luke Kennard
Seth Curry
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Ricky Rubio
Will Barton
George Hill
Jeremy Lamb

Tweeners:
Maxi Kleber
Larry Nance Jr.
Royce O'Neale
Thaddeus Young
Stanley Johnson

Big Men:
Rudy Gobert
Joel Embiid
Nikola Vucevic
Steven Adams
Blake Griffin

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Long-shots:

Guards/Wings:
CJ McCollum
Robert Covington Jr.
Marcus Smart
Ben Simmons
Zach Lavine
Eric Gordon
Danny Green
Derrick White
Keldon Johnson
Gordon Hayward
Khris Middleton

Tweeners:
Tobias Harris
PJ Washington
Draymond Green
Justise Winslow

Big Men:
Al Horford
Kevin Love
Myles Turner

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Free Agent Targets:

Sign and Trade:

Guards/Wings:
Justin Holiday
Jae Crowder

Tweeners:
Jerami Grant
Danilo Gallinari

Big Men:
Serge Ibaka
Paul Millsap
Derrick Favors
Dario Saric

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Taxpayer's MLE/BAE/Vet Minimum:

Guards/Wings:
Evan Turner
Goran Dragic
Courtney Lee
Langston Galloway
Andre Roberson
Kris Dunn
Matthew Dellavedova
Avery Bradley
Wesley Matthews
Maurice Harkless
Alec Burks
Tyler Johnson
Kent Bazemore

Tweeners:
Carmelo Anthony
Jeff Green
Marvin Williams
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marcus Morris
Markieff Morris
Trevor Ariza
Harry Giles
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Big Men:
Tristran Thompson
Hassan Whiteside
Dwight Howard
Aron Baynes
Marc Gasol

[DarkXaero]

@vincecarter4pres Nice breakdown of possible targets. I'm just curious as for why some of those "long shot" names are considered long shots for you (whether its from our perspective or the other team's). You put Embiid as "reasonably realistic" but I think that's probably the longest shot of all.

The list I made was more about guys who can play plus defense, but yours is a nice breakdown of overall possible targets.

[Papi_swav]

We need some versatile wing and guard defenders, the more the better. Can never have too many of those. I'll say go out and get 2 versatile wing defenders, one through draft and the other needs to be a vet. Then get a guard or 2. Kriss Dunn is a good one, Jrue would also be great without giving up too much. We need these type of guys on other guards, we don't really have any great defenders here. I would draft a athletic ready to play now wing defender. Then go after a guy like Jae Crowder, Moe Harkless etc..

We just really need some defense. Look at how the Celtics are handling the Craptors. The more wing defenders the better. We have to face teams with more than 1 great wing players. Boston has Tatum, Brown and Hayward. That's alot. Sixers have Tobias and I guess you can say Simmons. Heat have Butler and guys like Herro, Duncan etc.. Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. And this is just in the East. We need about 3-4 defenders from the guards to the wings. I'm sorry I keep repeating myself but this should be our main focus in the off season other than signing Joe Harris. Wings are still the primary position.

Yeah. the problem is the crowders of the world are on contracts and playoff teams who arent going to give them up. the 2-way guys are untouchable because they are MVP level or high level all stars (Kawhi, Giannis, Butler, etc..)

We are better off using our assets to get Jrue, who is a 2-way all NBA defender then add some 1-way defensive stoppers as low minute role guys you bring in when needed like the shumperts of the world. not every team we face has Giannis. we are going to smash people and Jrue can guard 80% of the NBA. many teams we will beat without needing tough stops

Yea i love Jrue. But I really do think that Jae Crowder is a UFA after this season, I could be wrong though but I think he is. We should go after him too.

[Papi_swav]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

[Prokorov]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

I love Baynes.

Dunn is the same size as Jrue, not quite the class of defender, and not the offensive player he is. Dunn has seemed to struggle to find a role because of his offense and being good but not great defensively. he more fits the scenario to me where if he was bigger maybe. but hard to give him Guard minutes with his offense

[Prokorov]

id also love to reunite Kyrie and Kidd-gilchrist

[MrDollarBills]

I removed the trade targets because at this point in time, I don't think a lot of those names even make sense for this team outside of a few, and I have a hard time seeing why the teams that currently have them under contract would even want to trade them to us. Also, I highly doubt Marks will hard cap us in an S&T.

Free Agent Targets:



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Taxpayer's MLE/BAE/Vet Minimum:

Guards/Wings:

Kris Dunn: Should be a top target.
Avery Bradley


Tweeners:

Marvin Williams
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Marcus Morris
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

I'm mainly looking at guys who can defend in the backcourt and on the wing.

I have a feeling that we're going to get some names for the minimum when the smoke clears.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jeff Green, Trevor Ariza, RHJ are all really good options that would cost us nothing.

[MrDollarBills]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

If we trade Jarret Allen, Baynes is a definite target. We need a bit of thuggery up front.

[MrDollarBills]

id also love to reunite Kyrie and Kidd-gilchrist

Same. I think MKG would do well here, plus, it brings another Jersey product home.

[MrDollarBills]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

I love Baynes.

Dunn is the same size as Jrue, not quite the class of defender, and not the offensive player he is. Dunn has seemed to struggle to find a role because of his offense and being good but not great defensively. he more fits the scenario to me where if he was bigger maybe. but hard to give him Guard minutes with his offense

His offense blows but the guy has some serious chops defensively. I'd take a flyer on him. We need at least two guys who are here for the dirty work.

[Prokorov]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

I love Baynes.

Dunn is the same size as Jrue, not quite the class of defender, and not the offensive player he is. Dunn has seemed to struggle to find a role because of his offense and being good but not great defensively. he more fits the scenario to me where if he was bigger maybe. but hard to give him Guard minutes with his offense

His offense blows but the guy has some serious chops defensively. I'd take a flyer on him. We need at least two guys who are here for the dirty work.

He can shoot it from three and is a great passer. ive seen him routinely hit 15-20 in a row in warmups and between quarters when he was with boston. he just needs a coach to enable him to shoot them. as a defender he is nails

[ProspectPark]

Holiday is 30 and made how many all nba defense teams? 1, 2? Wow, let’s trade the farm.

20/7 all-nba defender who will likely make it for the 3rd time this year.

What young asset:

[spoiler]Here’s how one of the best talent evaluators Sam Vecenie from The Athletic described Caris LeVert:

Caris levert is not young. he is 26 and will be in his 5th year after coming out as a senior and off his rookie deal. no GM considers him a young asset.

LeVert had a strong year again, basically backing up what he did as a third-year player prior to his injury. If anything, he actually got better this year. He was coming on strong as the season ended. From Feb. 3 onward, LeVert averaged 24.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Even more than Spencer Dinwiddie, LeVert was becoming the leader in the absence of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. He punctuated it with a 51-point onslaught in Boston to lead Brooklyn to a pretty big win, then followed it up in the last game before the break with 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists against the Lakers in a win.

He did not have a strong year. 18 points on awful efficiency, below average shooting, and low assist rate for his volume with below average to awful defense and the team was better when he sat vs played.

1. When you evaluate a player’s efficiency, you have to account for how are their points scored. LeVert doesn’t get easy baskets. All of his baskets are scored in the most difficult way possible. Breaking down multiple defenders and finishing or shooting over a rim protecting big. The bet we’re making, is with KD and Kyrie and other high IQ players LeVert will get easier baskets resulting in his efficiency sky rocketing.

This is completely riddiculous. good players create easy shots for themselves. saying you miss alot because you take tough shots just means you arent good enough to get better shots or have awful shot selection. and its not like he is just inefficient, among players who take 10+ shots he is among the worst efficiency in the enitre league and thats 2 years running

2. When a player is injured for long stretches, he loses his conditioning. We just saw Oladipo come back and not play well. If you ever touched a basketball or did anything athletic in life you would understand this. When you dislocate your foot, it’s kind of hard to run and stay in peak NBA game shape.

Levert not being able to stay healthy is part of the criticism. its not good to always be hurt.

3. The coaching scheme. Was the coach using LeVert in a way that maximized his strengths? Why did his efficiency dramatically increase when he was allowed to take more shots from mid range? Who were his teammates? Was he surrounded by shooters? Did the defense sag off his teammates limiting him his ability to drive to the basket? These and many more are all details that need to be accounted for.

in every scenario he has awful efficiency. starter vs bench. and all of his 5-man lineups. he has plenty of shooters around him.

You’re pretty much the guy that ignores all the context and details and dumbs everything down to simple TS%. Does it really take much basketball IQ to figure out how to sort players based on TS% on Bball-Ref. A small child can do that.

no you are the homer that twists yourself in a pretzel to try and make someone good and uses enormously small samples of good ignoring enormous samples of bad.

as far as context, again when someone is poor in every split imaginable he probably isnt super efficient or a good scorer. thats what we have issue with. ignoring 200+ games of data to focos on a 12 game sample. If anyone is ignoring context its you. if anyone is using anecdotal stuff its you. if anyone has recency bias its you.

The analysis I provided was from The Athletic. Not everything pro-LeVert is some sort of homer conspiracy. Other NBA players, coaches, GMs, scouts, analysts, have all agreed that Caris LeVert has 3rd star potential. This is not debatable. Specifically, LeVert’s size, handles, long strides, and ability to break down defenders and make plays for teammates is exactly what you want from your 3rd option.

26 year old just entering his prime on a team friendly 3 year contract is an asset. When the contract was signed Zach Lowe and 538 wrote articles about Brooklyn’s depth and how we have all these assets. All this talk about trading him is because he’s....An Asset

Are you seriously arguing LeVert’s efficiency wont improve with KD and Kyrie on the court? With Chiozza and Garrett Temple, he was getting whatever he wanted. With KD and Kyrie drawing most of the defensive attention, any player in that 3rd option role will get easier baskets and increase their efficiency.

The only thing we know for sure is small backcourts like Kyrie/Beal are usually defensive disasters and never win, and paying max money to undersized guards who are over 30 like Jrue pretty much always results in buyers remorse midway through the contract.

Caris LeVert will be a Brooklyn Net for a very long time.

[MrDollarBills]

I love Baynes.

Dunn is the same size as Jrue, not quite the class of defender, and not the offensive player he is. Dunn has seemed to struggle to find a role because of his offense and being good but not great defensively. he more fits the scenario to me where if he was bigger maybe. but hard to give him Guard minutes with his offense

His offense blows but the guy has some serious chops defensively. I'd take a flyer on him. We need at least two guys who are here for the dirty work.

He can shoot it from three and is a great passer. ive seen him routinely hit 15-20 in a row in warmups and between quarters when he was with boston. he just needs a coach to enable him to shoot them. as a defender he is nails

Oh I was talking about Dunn, but I absolutely would sign Baynes if Allen gets traded.

[ProspectPark]

Trades:
Josh Richardson
Terrance Ross
Aaron Gordon

Free Agents:
Dario Saric
Jeff Green
Matthew Dellavedova

[vincecarter4pres]

@vincecarter4pres Nice breakdown of possible targets. I'm just curious as for why some of those "long shot" names are considered long shots for you (whether its from our perspective or the other team's). You put Embiid as "reasonably realistic" but I think that's probably the longest shot of all.

Well Embiid for example, I feel there’s a reasonable shot he’s dealt this off-season or by the deadline and he’s a guy we’d obviously be all over and as I’ve posted before, I truly believe a deal like Dinwiddie and/or LeVert, Allen and picks is not only good value, but an absolute great fit with Simmons now and going forward.

Then a couple of guys on the long shot list, for example:

Eric Gordon - Houston would love to deal him whether they’re blowing it up or changing things up, but he’d probably be a guy we only had interest in if we made a move for a guy like Gobert with all our wing depth and picks/prospects, and dealt say Prince and Musa for him with a 2nd.

Robert Covington JR. - Marks probably would love this guy, but so does Morey, hence why he dealt for him. They’re only going to trade him if they’re completely blowing it up, like trading Harden nuking it.

The list I made was more about guys who can play plus defense, but yours is a nice breakdown of overall possible targets.

Yours was great too, and thanks, I wanted something to reference in all scenarios.

Like if we happen to deal say Spencer and Allen for Jrue and Caris is moved to 6xth man, we’re going to need an offensive big man and bench spark plug on the cheap to build back up depth.

Or we make a full on blockbuster, giving up everything not tied down for a guy not even on this list yet, we’re going to have to add a bunch of cheap or creative trade guys.

As luck would have it, it wound up the top post on the page so it’s easy to bookmark and go back to whenever.

[vincecarter4pres]

Trades:
Josh Richardson
Terrance Ross
Aaron Gordon

Free Agents:
Dario Saric
Jeff Green
Matthew Dellavedova

I forgot all about Richardson, just added him.

Iirc Saric is restricted, I’ll add him to S&T.

[Prokorov]

Holiday is 30 and made how many all nba defense teams? 1, 2? Wow, let’s trade the farm.

20/7 all-nba defender who will likely make it for the 3rd time this year.

What young asset:

[spoiler]Here’s how one of the best talent evaluators Sam Vecenie from The Athletic described Caris LeVert:

Caris levert is not young. he is 26 and will be in his 5th year after coming out as a senior and off his rookie deal. no GM considers him a young asset.

LeVert had a strong year again, basically backing up what he did as a third-year player prior to his injury. If anything, he actually got better this year. He was coming on strong as the season ended. From Feb. 3 onward, LeVert averaged 24.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Even more than Spencer Dinwiddie, LeVert was becoming the leader in the absence of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. He punctuated it with a 51-point onslaught in Boston to lead Brooklyn to a pretty big win, then followed it up in the last game before the break with 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists against the Lakers in a win.

He did not have a strong year. 18 points on awful efficiency, below average shooting, and low assist rate for his volume with below average to awful defense and the team was better when he sat vs played.

1. When you evaluate a player’s efficiency, you have to account for how are their points scored. LeVert doesn’t get easy baskets. All of his baskets are scored in the most difficult way possible. Breaking down multiple defenders and finishing or shooting over a rim protecting big. The bet we’re making, is with KD and Kyrie and other high IQ players LeVert will get easier baskets resulting in his efficiency sky rocketing.

This is completely riddiculous. good players create easy shots for themselves. saying you miss alot because you take tough shots just means you arent good enough to get better shots or have awful shot selection. and its not like he is just inefficient, among players who take 10+ shots he is among the worst efficiency in the enitre league and thats 2 years running

2. When a player is injured for long stretches, he loses his conditioning. We just saw Oladipo come back and not play well. If you ever touched a basketball or did anything athletic in life you would understand this. When you dislocate your foot, it’s kind of hard to run and stay in peak NBA game shape.

Levert not being able to stay healthy is part of the criticism. its not good to always be hurt.

3. The coaching scheme. Was the coach using LeVert in a way that maximized his strengths? Why did his efficiency dramatically increase when he was allowed to take more shots from mid range? Who were his teammates? Was he surrounded by shooters? Did the defense sag off his teammates limiting him his ability to drive to the basket? These and many more are all details that need to be accounted for.

in every scenario he has awful efficiency. starter vs bench. and all of his 5-man lineups. he has plenty of shooters around him.

You’re pretty much the guy that ignores all the context and details and dumbs everything down to simple TS%. Does it really take much basketball IQ to figure out how to sort players based on TS% on Bball-Ref. A small child can do that.

no you are the homer that twists yourself in a pretzel to try and make someone good and uses enormously small samples of good ignoring enormous samples of bad.

as far as context, again when someone is poor in every split imaginable he probably isnt super efficient or a good scorer. thats what we have issue with. ignoring 200+ games of data to focos on a 12 game sample. If anyone is ignoring context its you. if anyone is using anecdotal stuff its you. if anyone has recency bias its you.

The analysis I provided was from The Athletic. Not everything pro-LeVert is some sort of homer conspiracy. Other NBA players, coaches, GMs, scouts, analysts, have all agreed that Caris LeVert has 3rd star potential. This is not debatable. Specifically, LeVert’s size, handles, long strides, and ability to break down defenders and make plays for teammates is exactly what you want from your 3rd option.

26 year old just entering his prime on a team friendly 3 year contract is an asset. When the contract was signed Zach Lowe and 538 wrote articles about Brooklyn’s depth and how we have all these assets. All this talk about trading him is because he’s....An Asset

Are you seriously arguing LeVert’s efficiency wont improve with KD and Kyrie on the court? With Chiozza and Garrett Temple, he was getting whatever he wanted. With KD and Kyrie drawing most of the defensive attention, any player in that 3rd option role will get easier baskets and increase their efficiency.

The only thing we know for sure is small backcourts like Kyrie/Beal are usually defensive disasters and never win, and paying max money to undersized guards who are over 30 like Jrue pretty much always results in buyers remorse midway through the contract.

Caris LeVert will be a Brooklyn Net for a very long time.

i dont think levert will play much with KD and Kyrie. He doesnt have the tools as non primary option to do anyyhing positve offensively. he needs to be 6th man so he can be a #1 option off the bench.

Caris doesnt have fringe star potentialy as a #1 with huge volume, let alone as a #3 doing things he is poor at.

[vincecarter4pres]

We need some versatile wing and guard defenders, the more the better. Can never have too many of those. I'll say go out and get 2 versatile wing defenders, one through draft and the other needs to be a vet. Then get a guard or 2. Kriss Dunn is a good one, Jrue would also be great without giving up too much. We need these type of guys on other guards, we don't really have any great defenders here. I would draft a athletic ready to play now wing defender. Then go after a guy like Jae Crowder, Moe Harkless etc..

We just really need some defense. Look at how the Celtics are handling the Craptors. The more wing defenders the better. We have to face teams with more than 1 great wing players. Boston has Tatum, Brown and Hayward. That's alot. Sixers have Tobias and I guess you can say Simmons. Heat have Butler and guys like Herro, Duncan etc.. Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. And this is just in the East. We need about 3-4 defenders from the guards to the wings. I'm sorry I keep repeating myself but this should be our main focus in the off season other than signing Joe Harris. Wings are still the primary position.

Yeah. the problem is the crowders of the world are on contracts and playoff teams who arent going to give them up. the 2-way guys are untouchable because they are MVP level or high level all stars (Kawhi, Giannis, Butler, etc..)

We are better off using our assets to get Jrue, who is a 2-way all NBA defender then add some 1-way defensive stoppers as low minute role guys you bring in when needed like the shumperts of the world. not every team we face has Giannis. we are going to smash people and Jrue can guard 80% of the NBA. many teams we will beat without needing tough stops

Yea i love Jrue. But I really do think that Jae Crowder is a UFA after this season, I could be wrong though but I think he is. We should go after him too.

That’s the problem with Crowder though. He probably won’t get a monster contract, but at bare minimum he’s getting something full MLE sized and we can’t offer that.

[vincecarter4pres]

Good list VC4P. Gary Harris would be an awesome get but I'm pretty sure Nuggets ain't letting him go. Kris Dunn should be able to get for cheap and so should Moe Harkless and/or Marvin Williams. Aaron Baynes would also be another guy I want if we get rid of one of our centers. There's a whole lot of opportunities for us here, we need to cash all in now.

Idk, a team like Denver just can’t pay all these guys, hell a team like the Nets can’t for sustained years either.

They have 2 max contracts, a few reasonable ones like Harris’ and Barton’s and hope to retain Grant, Morris and Craig soon and have aspirations to consolidate and trade for another expensive 3rd star.

He seems like the odd man out and is a good, but not great player, even in the context of his specific role. I’d bet he could be had on the semi-cheap, maybe as part of a 3 team deal where we kick a pick, a prospect, Prince and Temple in to add value to their package.