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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Donald Trump
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28%
Joe Biden
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Howie Hawkins
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4%
Jo Jorgensen
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3%
Kanye West
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Post#581 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:28 pm

Melania coming off as just as vain and evil as Trump probably does not affect the vote much, but when you have a sentient, relatable person like Jill Biden, the contrast is pretty stark.
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Post#582 » by Knick4Real » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:36 pm

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IF this poll is correct, that's the entire election and a win for President Biden.
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Post#583 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:38 pm

Can't wait until the violence in the streets after the election, no matter who wins.

It's not IF it's going to happen, but how much and how long.
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Post#584 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:38 pm

Knick4Real wrote:
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IF this poll is correct, that's the entire election and a win for President Biden.


Not sure if Opinium research is that well respected or reliable. No way that Biden is that far ahead in Wisconsin this could be an outlier.
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Post#585 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:40 pm

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that's absolutely terrifying


Rock solid proof here of the decline of the United States
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Post#586 » by Knick4Real » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:50 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
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IF this poll is correct, that's the entire election and a win for President Biden.


Not sure if Opinium research is that well respected or reliable. No way that Biden is that far ahead in Wisconsin this could be an outlier.


To be honest, I am personally ignoring ALL polls -- both good and bad. My post was only a response to Stannis and the polls he posted above mine. I recognize this election will come down to individual states and not the collective United States. We should all assume Biden is DOWN by 20 points and vote accordingly.
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Post#587 » by Stannis » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:55 pm

Knick4Real wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
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IF this poll is correct, that's the entire election and a win for President Biden.


Not sure if Opinium research is that well respected or reliable. No way that Biden is that far ahead in Wisconsin this could be an outlier.


To be honest, I am personally ignoring ALL polls -- both good and bad. My post was only a response to Stannis and the polls he posted above mine. I recognize this election will come down to individual states and not the collective United States. We should all assume Biden is DOWN by 20 points and vote accordingly.

20 points seems to low. Like "he's down by too much, no point in voting. He lost".

Biden needs polls that say "Biden down by 2".
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Post#588 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:06 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Can't wait until the violence in the streets after the election, no matter who wins.

It's not IF it's going to happen, but how much and how long.


One reason to get the biggest margins possible is to give the military any justification they need to protect the transition of President-Elect Biden if Trump tries to barricade himself in the WH.

I'm actually not at all enthused about any form of military intervention since that sets a terrible precedent, but if Trump tries to steal this then I will back a coup as long as they hand the reigns back to the Biden administration.
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Post#589 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:07 pm

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Wait until Treasury Secretary Warren is announced.
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Post#590 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:12 pm

Wingo should read this. This is why you don’t push baseless information and help do Russia’s work for them.

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Post#591 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:15 pm

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Post#592 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:29 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Can't wait until the violence in the streets after the election, no matter who wins.

It's not IF it's going to happen, but how much and how long.


One reason to get the biggest margins possible is to give the military any justification they need to protect the transition of President-Elect Biden if Trump tries to barricade himself in the WH.

I'm actually not at all enthused about any form of military intervention since that sets a terrible precedent, but if Trump tries to steal this then I will back a coup as long as they hand the reigns back to the Biden administration.

It'll be Militia on Militia violence, lone wolf terrorism, lynchings, the works.
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Post#593 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:32 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Can't wait until the violence in the streets after the election, no matter who wins.

It's not IF it's going to happen, but how much and how long.


One reason to get the biggest margins possible is to give the military any justification they need to protect the transition of President-Elect Biden if Trump tries to barricade himself in the WH.

I'm actually not at all enthused about any form of military intervention since that sets a terrible precedent, but if Trump tries to steal this then I will back a coup as long as they hand the reigns back to the Biden administration.

It'll be Militia on Militia violence, lone wolf terrorism, lynchings, the works.


Nah, COVID will be spiking all over the place. And even if they right wing militias end up taking the streets, who are they going to fight? The election will be over.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#594 » by GONYK » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:44 pm

I'm unsure of the pollster, but this could be very encouraging

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Post#595 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Sep 2, 2020 9:50 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
One reason to get the biggest margins possible is to give the military any justification they need to protect the transition of President-Elect Biden if Trump tries to barricade himself in the WH.

I'm actually not at all enthused about any form of military intervention since that sets a terrible precedent, but if Trump tries to steal this then I will back a coup as long as they hand the reigns back to the Biden administration.

It'll be Militia on Militia violence, lone wolf terrorism, lynchings, the works.


Nah, COVID will be spiking all over the place. And even if they right wing militias end up taking the streets, who are they going to fight? The election will be over.

Right. So simple. No lingering anger anywhere nor no one to stir it up.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#596 » by j4remi » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:13 pm

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GONYK wrote:Another interesting nugget in the pollingImage


that's absolutely terrifying


For the people in this thread that ask why you have Republicans from the Lincoln Project and Republicans going against Trump, here’s your answer. Imagine having to deal with violent QAnon crazies for the rest of your career. Better to have a blue tsunami in 2020 vs giving these people more power.


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Post#597 » by GONYK » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:16 pm

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Post#598 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:36 pm

JPMorgan Says Investors Should Prepare for Rising Odds of Trump Win

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-01/jpmorgan-says-prepare-for-rising-chance-trump-wins-second-term

Investors should position for the rising odds of President Donald Trump winning re-election, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.

Betting odds that earlier had Trump well behind challenger Joe Biden are now nearly even -- largely due to the impact on public opinion of violence around protests, as well as potential bias in polls, said strategist Marko Kolanovic.

Based on past research, there could be a shift of five to 10 points in polls from Democrats to Republicans if the perception of protests turns from peaceful to violent, he said. People giving inaccurate answers could artificially skew polls in favor of Biden by 5%-6%, he added.

Certainly a lot can happen in the next ~60 days to change the odds, but we currently believe that momentum in favor of Trump will continue, while most investors are still positioned for a Biden win,” Kolanovic wrote Monday. “Implications could be significant for the performance of factors, sectors, COVID-19 winners/losers, as well as ESG.”
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Post#599 » by BallSacBounce » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:55 pm

This is the kind of stuff that gets us boiling mad ready to crawl across broken glass to vote for Trump.

Facebook putting their fingers in the scale in an absurd way, censoring perfectly legitimate reasoned arguments because they go against the liberal narrative.

In a clear case of self defense Facebook chooses to grossly mischaracterize it as "mass murder." What buffoons. Can't wait till the lawyers get going on this one. The kid was obviously chased by a group, under attack and tried to get away at every turn till they left him no choice.

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Dice’s post on Facebook did not praise Rittenhouse, but merely described the video.

“Newly uncovered video of Kyle Rittenhouse shows him helping an injured protester after she was struck in the foot with a projectile,” said Dice’s post. “In another video he told the cameraman that he brought a medical kit, which is the bag he was carrying. Further proving he had no malicious intent by showing up. In fact, he was there to help anyone who needed it.”

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Post#600 » by LookToShoot » Wed Sep 2, 2020 11:31 pm

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LookToShoot wrote:The Democratic Party has moved too far to the left, but the Republican Party isn't great either. I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet.


The radical Right created the radical Left. And now, the super saiyan of the radical Right (QAnon) has infiltrated politics. I can only imagine what the Left birthchild of that will be.

You say that like the Dems didn't just nominate Joe Biden, who is about as radical left as a Y axis

The far left has almost no political power in America, and that's been the case since basically forever, while the far right is now the main base of the Republican party, as evidenced by the growing number of QAnon believers entering politics.


Far left has a lot of political influence, the Dems wouldn't pander to them so much if they didn't. I began to distance myself from liberals when I noticed that they had a low tolerance for difference of opinion. They'll get you fired, ruin your life just because you don't go along with everything they say.

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